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Oh, he is nothing to say. Oh, but no, nothing to say, nothing to say, nothing to say, nothing

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nothing nothing nothing nothing. Bro, have you guys seen this shit? Check the shit out. Holy

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fuck, look, look, look, look, look, have you guys seen this shit? Look, look, look, look,

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look. Look at this guy go, bro. Look at him go. Look, look, look, look, look, look, look,

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look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look.

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Look at him go, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look,

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what's this? Jader. Wait, is it also a real cat?

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Holy shit. No, this cat is not real at all. Is it?

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Oh, my God. Hold on. I can't see the cat, man. It's not another monitor. You don't

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have to see it. Hold on. Just give me a sec. This is not real, this is not real. What?

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What does she want? Okay, okay. Oh, yeah, you're going to watch the clock today. Really?

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Yeah. Oh, you can find him.

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Wow. He's pissed. Okay, we're done. Oh, my God.

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Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Is this a real cat or not? Like, is it a real? This is a real

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cat? Yeah, that's real. I wouldn't know. I can't fucking see.

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Good. Oh, dare you snark me.

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That was your last one.

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Well, you lie.

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Is it?

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Is it a real cat?

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Does it matter?

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Does it matter if it's real?

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Yes.

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I wonder if there's a source for the cat being real.

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That's not real.

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This is not real.

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[GASP]

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No.

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Hold on.

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He's entering a close date.

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One second.

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No, that was such a--

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OK, we're done.

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Thank god.

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What?

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[GASP]

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Oh my god.

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He's going to be out.

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Oh, no.

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Oh.

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OK.

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I hate J. Dr. Renanda.

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Why what's he doing?

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Nothing.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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What do you mean?

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He doesn't do anything.

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That's the whole fucking problem.

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He's the only programmer who's gotten less efficient

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with the advent of AI.

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Really?

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Hmm.

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Hmm.

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Hmm.

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OK.

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Hello, cat.

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I'm petting you. Yes. Oh my God. Did you see Netanyahu's trying to come through and clutch for me? He's a king. He's trying to clutch for me, bro. What a king guys voter fraud. Duh. It's them a wraps bro. They're at all every polling place. There's Arabs everywhere. They've invaded Israel. There's like two million of them and they're trying to keep him from winning. Check in on our polymarket bets.

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At polymarket dot us, promo code destiny, make sure to get a

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25 deposit bonus. Whoo. That portfolio is going to real good and real good. If you want to know the good trades to be making.

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Wait, did I win? Oh, no. Oh, no. No way. That's a different poll. Wait. Oh, if you want to know the real good trades to be making. So go ahead and join my squad.

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Fuck. Where is it? What's my squad link? Squad up guys. Wait. Here it is. Spicy. I don't. They choose these names automatically, I think.

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Squad up if you want to know.

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No, I don't think I won't. The good play. Oh, really? Well, good. You're not invited to my squad. I see you join. I'm actually going to ban you. Okay.

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I don't know how to join. Good. Click the squad. Wait. Let me do it. Oh, no, no, no. That was a good flip. Okay. No, that was good for you. Very good.

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Very good. We got. Yeah.

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You were right. Netanyahu, he doesn't lose.

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What do you want me to say? What do you want me to say? If he needs to. That was 100 down. It's 282 if we win it, boys.

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And Netanyahu's working hard. He's fighting. He's fighting for our $100 cat. You should put more money on it.

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But if you believe in it, well, buy more. Let's chill, okay. Let's get out of here, Mush. Let's chill.

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So. So.

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What's

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going to sketch on him? Yeah, let's go.

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Do you know? Do you know who enemy Charlie is? Yes. Isn't she the? And I don't mean this in a mean way, but like the snooze girl that debated Adam or not Adam.

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Fuck, what's his name? Oh, you're feeling real like we're now, aren't you? Andrew. Yeah, Andrew Wilson. Yeah, we're usually.

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Yeah. Oh, I turned on Shader's guys. Look how cute this is. Oh, I can play some Minecraft. Shut up.

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Okay. Wait. Have you ever heard me talk about her on stream before? Not really. I mean yesterday

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we talked about her. How did you know about the snizz thing? I who doesn't know about

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Andrew Wilson being like, you look snizzed. You're the snizzed. Because you kind of dominated

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him. She did. Okay. I've only said good things about her on stream. Everybody in my community.

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Certainly. Yeah. Yeah. Except for I thought her take was insane. The over the pokey stuff.

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Yeah. Yesterday. Okay. Are you ready? I'm ready. So she gets sent a tweet from somebody.

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I don't know who from this snaps crackle pop account. So this account, well, he private

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it as account now, funnily enough. But this account obsessively tweets about me about

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my core case like has taken pictures of his monitor about anything that he is peripheral

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to me. That is kind of obsessed with me. All right. Stalker. Yep.

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[inaudible]

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He's clicking through some tweets. She'll start talking. I saw she did a thing that I saw

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she did a thing that I got my mind. I guess look at that. What are the chances? Bro, this

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is crazy. We got to go back. I got to get back to toxic audience, man. What's what's

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happening? We got to go back. No, we got to go back. I need an Alicia. I need to laugh.

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I have him blocked. Show the context. Instead of just saying out of context, a sweeper has

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to go back. What the fuck? That was a nature. Our new troll and we can conditiously get

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back. We're bad. By the way, I don't know if it's on used a shot collar on his dog or

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not. She seems to be a happy, well-trained pub. So I think he. Uh oh. That's me. This

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is legit a nothing burger. Oh, no. Don't worry. Uh oh. Uh oh. I'm confused. What? What

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is she? What's cringing? Oh, well. What do I do? So she's incredibly worried. Do we

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have a beacon? You shouldn't. Do iron things go through leaves instantly? Okay. What do

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I do? I've had him blocked. So first of all, she's acting like I'm a fucking murderer,

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okay, which is a little bit weird. Um, but okay. Who is this? This is the enemy Charlie

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person. But what do you do about what? Because I mentioned her, but you'll see. You go to

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the next tweet. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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mr. Muthan. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. She's gonna be like, I'm gonna contact us on. Hold on.

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I know it seems obvious but genuinely just ignore them.

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Okay.

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Hold on.

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Let me make sure my shit can't be flipped.

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Okay.

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Sorry, everyone.

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For my experience beating on the side of the DGG hate train, my recommendation is feed

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into it.

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Having allies protects you.

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So I don't think I've ever seen advice like that given before.

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For my experience being on this side of the DGG hate train, my recommendation is feed

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into it.

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Having allies protects you.

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That's a weird word.

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Okay.

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Hate train.

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My recommendation is feed into it.

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Having allies protects you.

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Um...

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What was he even commenting on?

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What were they looking at?

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Why not watch and see?

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Of me.

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Just what I said about H-R-A-K or what I said about H-R-A-K-R-K.

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Crazy how they never do that.

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You're an online content creator.

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People are going to look at your shit.

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No.

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You basically just digitally...

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Okay, sorry guys.

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Clips are going to be subscriber only for a while.

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Sorry, we can subscribe.

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Stop!

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I didn't say anything about him.

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It's $5.

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You're going full Dan mode.

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You're terrorizing me now.

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I didn't say anything about Destiny.

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I avoided saying anything about it.

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Hold on, I'm going to double check and see names.

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Raccoon Rob, thank you for the, thank you for the raid.

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This is a heads up, her statements were multiple times she was saying that that she would like

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kill somebody if they did what A Trek did in real life and that he should go on a sex

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if I don't list forever, but okay, I don't recognize any of those names.

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Okay guys, if you see anyone that you recognize as like a DGG viewer, alert the mods.

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These people are like life ruiners.

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It's not, this is not a good community to be involved in at all or it or involved with.

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If you want me to come over to the PB ban list, please do, sleepy fork.

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Yeah, I will, I'll do that, progressive victory maybe.

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Yeah, they like SWAT and Docs people.

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Okay, I'm going to avoid engaging.

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It gets really bad, Foxy, it gets really, really, really bad.

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This is, I mean, it's fine for now, I think he watches a lot of people and makes fun

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of them.

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Like, I don't think I made fun of her.

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I called her take crazy or maybe I called her crazy for this take or something, but like

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this, but like she's talking about killing people, by the way.

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Yeah, he does get fed a ton of stuff to react to so that is not good.

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Okay.

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Do you think she genuinely believes the community is like this due to the snark propaganda

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campaign?

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Well, that's a stretch.

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- Hold on.

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- Hey, that's terrible news.

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Yes, what's Mr. You did?

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- I had news, everyone.

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- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I literally avoid saying things about them on stream

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in that community on purpose because I know what they're like.

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Feels like low level reality.

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Maybe villains trying to make their mark before they crash.

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I mean, yeah, that's what it is.

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Okay, yeah, I'm gonna stop talking about it.

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(muffled speaking)

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And I'll try to talk to people who have been

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in this position.

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It's such a nice day, too.

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With my walk, I got work done.

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Added with my grandma on the phone.

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No, Lolly, Lolly, all when we call tomorrow,

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I'll explain stuff to you.

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Anyway, radical Rob, thank you for the raid.

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Sorry.

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You came at a bedtime.

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Anyway, the Brewers.

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Yeah, that girl was just examining the situation, too.

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I know.

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Well, you know what, Soy Pill made a video.

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Yeah, what the heck, Hoxie?

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Also, Lolly, Hoxie is your nephew.

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Hoxie, Lolly is your aunt, by the way.

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Oh, I've discord, too, for this.

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Turn this off by going to your account settings,

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data and privacy.

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So, okay.

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I guess maybe they've heard stuff through the grapevine.

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There are two huge, random pieces of chance that happened here.

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So, one, what I'm going to do, too many deals.

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I have a couple of friends that have asked me questions

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about things because they've heard stuff.

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And so, I got out my little iPad,

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because they were like, "Can you explain this?"

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And I'm like, "Okay."

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I pull out my iPad, I'm like, "Oh."

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And I'm like, "I have to draw this, okay.

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I have to draw this out."

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And they're like, "Okay."

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And I realized, you know, about 15 seconds

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into drawing shit out.

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I sound like Skitz-O's fuck, okay.

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Yeah, this is all sounding a little Skitz-O right now.

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Well, 'cause what I try to do is make people understand the whole,

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like, basically...

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The ecosystem?

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You've got Kiwi Farms.

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You've got, well, let's call them like the Snarkers.

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We'll say Snarkers.

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And then you've got, like, your legitimizing spaces,

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like Hassan, Professor Dave.

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The point of each space is to launder information

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from the lower level.

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So, anybody that shows up in my space will be fully docked

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onto Kiwi Farms.

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That information, whatever's useful, will percolate up

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into the snarker world where they'll use it to stalk

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and harass them.

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And then any information from there will percolate up into the

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Hassan or Professor Dave World.

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So, Kiwi Farms will maybe full docked somebody.

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The snarker world, these guys will always ban docks as they'll say,

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"We're anti-doxing.

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We ban people if they get docked there.

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They just ban a guy called Moon from their servers,

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who was mass-doxing people.

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'Cause they're like, "We don't accept that here."

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'Cause he was stupid, and he did it in the open space, right?

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And then, from these snarker spaces,

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there's some really juicy info.

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And then, this is where the narratives are crafted around

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the info.

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That stuff percolates up to people like Hassan or Professor

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Dave, any large creator, Mike from PA, they'll publish

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it and now it's like, but they don't do any weird obsessive stuff, right?

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But this is, this is like the kind of like the information laundering network.

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Um, and then the annoying thing is over here, you've got your, your libs.

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Um, so we can say like hutch, destiny, um, IRI, um,

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loaner box used to be Ethan.

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He's gone group, rip one down.

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And then the goal of all of this information here is that it is incredibly

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good to use to attack the lib space, okay?

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Super, super effective to attack the lib space.

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Now you might think as a lib, okay, well, you need to hit back.

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Oof, however, there's the secondary space.

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We'll call them libs in quotation marks who are constantly running

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defense for these people by playing into the information laundering that goes

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on here. Okay.

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So I want to hit back at these spaces.

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And then these guys will always come up and they'll be like, well, hold on.

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Where do the snarkers pose?

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That doesn't happen, right?

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Do me doesn't actually talk to anybody, right?

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Or where does his son engage in all these weird personal beefs?

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He doesn't do that, right?

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These guys are constantly blocking you.

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Um, so who is this?

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These guys are your pisco's, um, the soy pill, and, um, um, I'm like just

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say, just say it. Yeah. These types of girls. So these are the libs.

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These guys are infinitely running defense for this ecosystem over here.

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I don't know if they know it or if they see it or what's happening, but.

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So this is, so this is what's going on.

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Um, there's more or less is what I drew out.

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Okay.

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This is Skitzos fuck.

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I understand.

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One of the things that I wanted to demonstrate was, um,

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so I went to the soy pill and I was like, I wonder if I can find, um, is there,

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I asked a while ago on shadows, like, is there any way to check if, um,

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is there any way to check like the donations to a person's stream

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on YouTube?

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Like, is there like a list of super chats anywhere or whatever?

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And it seems like there's not an easy way to pull this up.

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Uh, and I had a guy just kind of going through just a few streams or whatever.

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And I see do be showing up a lot in the, um, donating to the circle.

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Obviously on a lot of these people.

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Um, but there's another guy that shows up donating like $500,

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which is interesting to me.

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Um, his name is Benjamin Gilbert lift.

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Never heard of that.

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So in one of the streams, for instance, when the, um, when the soy

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pill is fighting with, I think it was fighting with hutch, first of all,

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oh, well, we got peace going chat down here, but this guy throws, you know, $500

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at the sort of bill on money.

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Yeah.

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I'm satisfied with this level of exhaustion after a long flight.

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So I feel sought out the final boss of exhaustion.

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Wick.

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Oh, people are saying that's a wash Euler too.

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Huh, interesting.

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This Ben from PV donates to wash loads.

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Weird.

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Um, I only know this name.

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Because I just happen to be looking up soy pills donors.

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Cause I was just curious, like, if we're dubious and dubious, like

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first and second on a lot of these days.

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Stop.

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I be happy.

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Let's do it.

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It seems obvious, but genuinely just to know, for my experience,

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beating on the side of the, this is a really weird piece of advice.

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I, it just stood out to me as being really weird.

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For my experience being on the side of the DGG, Hey, train, my

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recommendation is feed into it.

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Having allies protects you.

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It's a really weird comment to make because generally that's the

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opposite of what you, uh, recommend a content creator, usually said,

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it's a, yeah, so I just hear it.

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Well, who the fuck is sleepy Porg?

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I wonder if this guy's like, it's because I haven't even heard of this guy before.

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Oh.

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Uh.

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P B.

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That's the guy.

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Yeah.

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That has donated at least $1,000 to the store bill over the past couple

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of weeks, and then apparently don't have some time to wash.

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And he's the deputy executive director of progressive victory.

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Huh.

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Oh, I'm very on just, it's actually crazy.

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Um, it's annoying because like I feel like that I'm especially a little bit

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worried after my core cases dismissed that some one of these guys going to try to

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kill me because I mean I don't know why you wouldn't and I just feel like the

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building on all of this shit is so crazy but this is very fucking weird oh

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he's the executive director not the deputy oh maybe he got promoted

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this is just like I'm sorry but this is unhinged like I don't know if you need

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to take a like I don't want to be mean to her whatever but like are you one of

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the destiny people would love to weed you all so like a few minutes later this

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was her going to watch this sorry about very loud and get rid of you I was

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watching there and saw you perfect easy swagger can you is that is that fucking

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happening right now today was it today or yesterday easy swagger okay easy swagger

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have you been posting my tweets and like bots there I might not do a stream

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tonight I think I need to do some damage control and get in contact with

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people and just snip this in the bud before anything goes further I don't

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know I mean Brutus a Tranis if that dude is like he's already directing people to

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like comment on my tweets like people are digging through my stuff it does it

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does put me in a in a bad position I mean Brutus a Tranis I'm sure he's fine

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it's just that literally like I don't know if you're familiar with that

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community but they are like very aggressive and if I'm being watched on

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someone's stream that makes me really nervous because I don't want like my

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family and my friends to be like harassed like they like I'm sorry like

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just is a big thing like there's like a certain level of stuff I can forgive for

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being brainwashed or whatever but now you're just repeating all this shit like

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like fully with my chest like fuck you like you have no idea what the fuck

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you're talking about you keep saying like I don't want to talk about this and

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then you're repeating the most unhinged deranged insane fucking shit

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constantly and continuously like what the fuck is wrong with you why would you

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not verify any of this before just like repeating it over and over and over like

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I'm sorry it's insanely fucking irresponsible but whatever like they go

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after like families and people's careers and friends and like what I don't have

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the means to protect myself from that can you buy a gun though um I don't think

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I have to uh my dad owns a lot of guns and he's very pro second amendment so

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if anyone comes after like my sister he'll just fucking kill them or if they

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bother him like my family like my the people in my family are armed and they

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know lawyers and stuff especially my dad my dad knows a lot of lawyers he said

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a lot of lawyer patients I'm not saying that they'll come to my house but these

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people they do actually like stock people IRL - they show up at events like

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that's no my sister doesn't have a you see the genie is it genealogy right

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Darius showed up at an event to harass us on piker becomes or destiny wants to

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go to an event for the college district on piker is becomes destiny sends his

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fan base to events where his on piker is becomes destiny sends criminals like

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Darius to go and beat up at harass was on piker becomes destiny's fans go to

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events to stock and harass any Hassan fans becomes people from the DJG

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community go to these events to stock and harass people on the left I get like

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what what how like you you can see the where it comes from like the the the

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origination of it but like IRL - they show up at events like that's no my sister

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doesn't have a gun her at all times but my brother always my brother is pretty

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much always carry actually my my younger brother doesn't but my older brother

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always carries my dad always carries some of Charlie's family are guns but is

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ignore them when you're live okay well the thing is that is this person mentally

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well as far as I'm aware of yeah so the it's just seems like a pretty crazy

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response well you watching yeah but it's like people are saying some crazy

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shit about DJG yeah they do yes they do yes well stuff what these people do is

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like online shit

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like they just like call people's like places of work and harass them like when

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does this ever happen people fired they try to get like people kicked out of

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their schools and stuff so oh yes sleepy part I'm never gonna oh my gun um just

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because of what like look at this guy pv director I if if I was more politically

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active I would be getting this entire organization shut down like and I did

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this there are so many things I want to say they can be banned I didn't even see

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this comment before strongly recommend oh I'm sorry I take everything I

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say I say back sorry okay because he said not I thought he's encouraging her to

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get a gun my bad you're lucky you barely slide by this time your behavior

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still disgusting though strongly recommend not having a firearm in the

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house or register to you for spotting protection police look that ship and

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over militarized if you've a registered firearm okay well that's not true that's

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just fucking retarded but okay don't not have a gun because of cops and whatever

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a gun um just because of what can happen okay I'm just I'm gonna shoot a quick

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text and just get ahead of it I know someone that knows him and I don't know

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if they still speak but they might not actually um yeah I'm just gonna play

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this they reported you to the FEC for election fraud and the IRS holy shit

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sleepy so like one of the most annoying things about these disgusting sub-human

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fucks this guy saying this that we were put into the FEC if I had to guess what

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he's referring to he's probably talking about when Kiwi farms and all of the far

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leftists were reporting this progressive victory to the IRS or the FEC because

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they all claimed we were getting like Zionist money or some shit it one thing

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that's insane to me is Hassan and his community engaged in an insane amount of

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harassment remember when Hassan watched bad up and out of doxing the entire PV

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member list and for some reason these guys rewrite all of this to being my

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community like hello PV was my community what why why would we dox are so what

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are we talking about here like what it's insane that he's supposed to the director

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now all the harassment that he's talking about came from the people that are now

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in her chat telling her that we do it like that's insane

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okay I'm just I'm sending a message right now I'll just play this routine until a

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cloud of ink so if you're watching this new any streams and reacting is

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exactly what they want okay yeah that's true that would yeah yeah let me just

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keep sorry

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because I am like just really anxious and I don't think so people keep saying is it

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hold on let me finish your thank Jesus all right guys I am like just really

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anxious and I don't think I can stream I'll be back tomorrow night and I'd

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everyone sorry so like it's the amount people are saying oh how do you even

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comment this so I don't know you guys remember but a long time ago I had a

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debate on like internal debate in my mind like how should I deal with people

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who I feel like are getting weird narratives fed to them and I had that

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conversation with the swivel you probably find us on YouTube and you know it was

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like a patient conversation I'm saying like hey I think there's probably like

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weird people whispering like weird things to you like I bet if you look in

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your dms there's a really weird thing like right now from you know one of

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these two people is like oh yeah there is and like I tried having a patient

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conversation with that and we did and but I mean like I think what people

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underestimated just when there are months and months and months of people

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saying shit like this it's just impossible for people to resist like at

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some point it's just gonna flip their brain and they're like you know what

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maybe maybe all these things actually are true maybe this person is actually

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like a crazy you know rape or whatever the fuck like I just think it's

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impossible for people to not you know for all their friends to say it and then

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yeah and then eventually they they buy into it yeah one of the funny things

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about this like like one of the funny things about this weird schizo chart 2

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is that so you see like right now Charlie fits in here where I don't know if

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she's quite like a full-on leftist but man she will platform basically all of

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these people's attacks and then block any attack to the left you sort of do it

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with like the Hassan dog trucking thing

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But like, there's just, this like cycle is unbeatable.

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Okay.

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And then even in the bottom space here, so like, because

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another thing literally just happened now, again, to where

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somebody's, somebody joins my community.

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And like a couple weeks, you have their entire family

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docked, and then their job discovered all of these weird

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snarker people start doing a ton of fucking content off of

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it. And then eventually the final form of information

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laundering is it makes itself up, it makes its way up to it

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percolates up to an incredible digit of my space.

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And now it's platform here.

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And now all of these people at the bottom, who are actually

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engaged in like harassment, stalking, life, urination,

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they're completely totally vindicated and validated because

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all of it ends up making its way to more official platforms

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where it's been laundered through the snarkers so that a

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narrative can be developed, and then it gets sent to these

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guys so that the information can be presented in like its most

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pristine, cleanest form.

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As many of you know, the streamer destiny hasn't stopped

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having a connection about me ever since I dropped this little

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gem, and I've continued pummeling him repeatedly to boot.

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Want to see what's got him so upset this time?

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In case you're missing some context, I exposed destiny as a

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genocide denying sexual predator in this video, mocked him for

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his meltdown in response in this video, fact checked his abysmal

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debate performance in this video, and then crapped on his

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pathetic attempt to react to my discussion about Israel on a

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call in show in this video.

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Every time he throws a tantrum about me regarding this topic,

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I drop another video exposing his infantile pageantry and

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scriptive lies.

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And every time I do this, I peer deeper into the rabbit hole

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that is the absolute scum baggery of destiny and his

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Hasbro affiliations.

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For example, you won't be surprised at all about who

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destiny surrounds himself with.

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See this gal on the left?

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This is Zugami.

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She was recently outed as a social media specialist for the

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ADL or anti defamation league, the US propaganda organization

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largely responsible for the whole anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism

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campaign, as well as the demonization of the BDS movement

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that seeks to boycott and sanction Israel.

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Here's a quick clip from the ADL TikTok.

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First pay attention to the voice.

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So if you're curious why she's been crashing all lately,

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it's because everything her entire life and family, everybody

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got docked and then keep your arms and then just go and all

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them were harassing her.

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And then now that information is made its way finally up to

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this platform, where I'm 100% positive, Hassan will be

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repeating the same thing.

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And so this whole like little pipeline is completely and

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totally vindicated.

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And like, yeah, like, I don't know how to.

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They're like nothing to do.

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There's like nothing.

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Yeah, that's why I'm saying I need to bring back.

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I need like my old community, like the people that used to

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watch me during the Anna, whatever stuff.

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You have to break the chain.

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The problem is there are too many fails now that make it

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impossible to break the chain.

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So like the media doesn't cover any of this for.

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It's a thing I've talked about a few times before, but the

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their method of practicing socio cultural political power is

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to like, you have to force everybody to join your circle

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and anybody that doesn't, you destroy them.

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This is like, this is how they practice power, right?

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So this takes the form of people.

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It could be black listing people.

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It could be doxing and harassing people.

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It could be trying to cancel people.

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It could be trying to get people banned from platforms or whatever.

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This is just the, but this is their form of practicing

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political power.

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The reason why I'll get mad and I'll try to fight back a little

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bit and like maybe throw up a doctor or whatever.

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But the problem is that I've said this before, I don't have this.

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We don't have this infrastructure over here, largely because

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I don't like it.

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I don't want it because it's not, I just don't like this.

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It's not fun.

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I don't, when I say it's not fun, but I mean, it's like, I would, well,

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I don't know, I'm hedging.

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It's deeply immoral.

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It's a disgusting way to practice power, I think.

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And it's inconsistent with liberal principles.

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And I think it should be incompatible with liberal spaces.

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Everybody that's part of this should, they should, they should, they

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should be destroyed.

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Their life should be destroyed, in my opinion.

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Everybody involved in this is fucking insane because every single part

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of this is aware of every single other part of it.

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Kiwi farmers know because they celebrate and they laugh when they

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see it show up on Hassan stream or show up on Professor Dave's videos

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or show up in an article.

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They're really happy when their information gets up here and they go

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back and forth in these, um, with the snark spaces, a lot of them

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have accounts and they post in both places and they know that they're

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passing information back and forth and slowly laundering it up to

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higher and higher and higher levels.

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Uh, and it's all like, it's just all very intentional and everybody's

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like very aware of everything that's going on.

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So there are multiple like stops that could be happening here, but

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they've for some, for reasons, they've all failed mainly because of

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the way these people practice politics.

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One is the media just doesn't cover it.

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There's no attention paid at all.

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Two institutionally, there are just like weak people that have bought

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into it.

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We don't have any Mike Pence's on our side, I guess.

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Um, like for instance, any one of these powers could stop it completely.

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A good media expose on this would stop it completely because it

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would look horrible.

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Okay.

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Nobody in the media covers us.

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One, number two, institutionally people like Dan Clancy or Twitch,

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they give a pass to this entire thing.

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People like me.

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Mike from PA will literally make death threats

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and shit on their stream three-day ban.

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It's insane.

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Infinite coverage for Hassan, praising terrorists,

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while his fans are literally making terroristic threats

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or threats of violence to wives and senators and shit.

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It's all laid out in a diamond.

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Nobody cares, no punishment.

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Nobody will call this out at any level institutionally

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for any of these far leftists.

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So that stop doesn't work.

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A third thing that can happen is like a unified

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kind of like liberal disavowal of this,

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but this doesn't work because of these people.

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People like your Pisco sort of pills, Josiah's,

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will always spend more time telling the libs, stop,

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you can't do this, stop, you can't attack them,

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that's not fair.

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So you don't even have like a unified or consistent

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pushback against the people over here doing it.

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One, two, three, I think those are the three big stops

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where I think if any of these three were to change,

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that it would probably change it.

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Oh, a fourth one would be more moral leadership

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from people at the top like of the far left.

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If a son or any of these people were to do a full on,

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like, this is why I criticize Trump so much.

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They were like, guys, this is not cool.

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We don't engage with a stop.

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It would also stop completely.

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Or like, it wouldn't maybe stop completely,

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but the size of the space would decrease 90%

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because now these guys over here

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aren't getting their airtime over here.

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So they're just not as like driven or encouraged to do it.

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Yeah.

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It sucks to talk about, it sucks to talk about some of those

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'cause I'm putting some people on blast kind of

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that I don't want to, but like the next thing,

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hopefully nothing comes out of it ever,

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00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,840
but like the next thing would be...

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- It works in DC.

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- This is Jessica talking about somebody in my community.

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I think last night.

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- She's got a real job in DC.

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Which I would just say, just for the record,

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if hypothetically Stardust worked for some entity

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that's pushing a political message in DC

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and she does all this sweeping for destiny,

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I think she should disclose her employer,

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to be honest with you.

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I think it's actually the kind of paramount

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that she disclosed her employer.

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If she were to work for any media companies

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or like nonprofits in DC,

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I do think she should be forced to disclose that

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so that you know how her biases

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might be affecting her political messaging.

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I'm just saying hypothetically, if that were the case.

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Leave her alone?

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No, I actually do think that's important.

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I don't think you should be doing like,

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"Oh, I'm just kidding my opinion online."

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But you work for like,

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"What if she worked for the Daily Wire?"

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Wouldn't you want to know that?

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Hypothetically, what if she worked for the Daily Wire?

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00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,680
- So like these people are brought into, right,

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00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,240
one of the most damaging things

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00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:54,720
when you try to fight against these people is

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you've got people like Pisco inviting him

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to their Twitter spaces to chat.

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Like they're just legitimate normal political figures.

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Or you've got people like this White Bill

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bringing him on a stream to chat.

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Like they're just like normal legitimate political figures.

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And it's like, and then meanwhile,

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if you even tell jokes on my side, you know,

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these guys will be like,

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00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:14,880
"I've seen dusting in these guys to doxing

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00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,760
"and these guys are doxing and ruining everything

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"and these guys are haunting."

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And it's like, well, like, it's just,

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"Hi, what's up, buddy?"

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- Hey, I have a question about what you're talking about

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right now. - Yeah.

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- 'Cause I've actually done something about it.

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And it's, do you feel like people that get sucked into this,

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maybe not the like people that are like kind of the engine,

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00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,960
I would say like the juice stalkers or, you know,

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00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,880
those people, I feel like they're kind of like an engine

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for this, and then we've got people that get sucked in

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00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,000
like Connor or Pisco or soy pill.

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00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Do you feel like Pisco, soy pill, and Connor,

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00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,680
do you feel like they are growing by doing this?

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Or that like, 'cause to me, okay.

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'Cause yeah, 'cause like to me,

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it looks like they fall into this,

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and they might gain some kind of short-term monetary gain

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00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,640
from the like donations and some kind of like

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00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,880
immediate validation, but like to me,

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00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,120
I look at like Pisco's Twitter and things like that,

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00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,600
and soy pill and stuff like that,

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00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,440
and I feel like I see them starting to like lose audience,

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00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,640
lose reach, and they kind of start narrowing their view

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00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,240
to just kind of this snarking,

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00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,320
early snarking adjacent behavior,

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00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,600
and it feels like they're just kind of,

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00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,920
it's like a slow suicide by kind of getting involved with it.

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00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,840
But meanwhile, people like Hassan,

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00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,560
I don't feel like he's necessarily suffering

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00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,120
in the same way, 'cause he's big enough

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00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,760
that he can still like kind of maintain it,

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00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,960
or do you think he's also suffering from it?

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00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,720
- I think that Hassan suffers from it,

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00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:51,160
but the problem is that it's,

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00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:56,160
this is a hard questions of like, I like to,

682
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,760
I really like to understand like bad habits.

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Like when you're trying to learn a thing,

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I don't know if this would apply to like knowledge

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or if this like mainly to like athletic things,

686
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,560
it definitely applied to like Starcraft.

687
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:08,620
I know it applies to gym stuff.

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00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:10,120
If you learn something with a bad habit,

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you can learn much faster than somebody

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00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,200
who's practicing good habits.

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But the problem is that the bad habit

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usually caps your progress at some point.

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And then to switch to break a bad habit,

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to go to a good habit is the most painful part of that

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00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,160
is you're probably gonna have to regress

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00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,960
sometimes a fair bit in order to start making

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00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,120
progress again and the progress is gonna be slower.

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00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,480
- Yeah, it's like learning multiplication tables.

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00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,240
Like it's good to do that, right?

700
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,120
You can do your math quickly, but then if you're like,

701
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,480
well now you don't understand how multiplication works,

702
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,360
that can sometimes be a difficult transition for kids

703
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,600
whenever they have to then like--

704
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,440
- Oh, sure.

705
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,280
- How does this work?

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00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,120
I don't just write.

707
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,120
So like I think I had to be saying.

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00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,520
- Yeah, yeah.

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00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,360
So when you, so like a son could be doing better,

710
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,360
but like the his theory of practicing power is that,

711
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,800
and I'm saying this and maybe I'm taking something

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00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,480
to be granted, maybe he doesn't have,

713
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,400
maybe he's not smart enough or couldn't hack it

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00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,040
in like an actual competitive environment,

715
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,400
but like if we use me as an example,

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00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,640
his theory of practicing his socio-cultural power

717
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is as soon as I'm big enough, I will exclude anybody

718
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,640
that I feel is oppositional to me from any space

719
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,520
and that makes me safe here, right?

720
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,520
So if that's his theory of power,

721
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,960
then once you begin to practice that theory of power

722
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,360
at your locked in forever, you can't change.

723
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Because now if it's not a way to stop,

724
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:27,960
and you're like, you know what, actually,

725
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,240
I think we should have like the open market of ideas

726
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:31,600
and more people are coming to chat.

727
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,040
He hasn't built the good habits

728
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,960
to be able to sustain that, right?

729
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,240
The most obvious example of this,

730
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,360
that's like just begun, I hate saying this

731
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,200
'cause at some point he's gonna take my advice on this.

732
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,360
Hassan should be dual streaming to YouTube.

733
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,880
There's absolutely no reason why he shouldn't.

734
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:44,800
The only reason why he can't is

735
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,920
'cause it's not a super protected environment for him

736
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,720
and his ego can't handle the pushback there

737
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,200
or the reduction in streamer numbers

738
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,720
on his protected platform Twitch.

739
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:54,800
But it is easily the most harmful thing

740
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,640
that he's continuing to do to his own career

741
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,400
is not dual streaming to YouTube.

742
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,520
Like, there's no good career reason for it.

743
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,640
It's just because he can't handle it on an ego level.

744
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,000
So yeah, I think it does hurt these people

745
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,760
in the long run because it caps the overall growth,

746
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,160
but they see tremendous growth in the short run, yeah.

747
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,280
- Well, like, look, I would say that

748
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,600
whenever I look at the different parties in there,

749
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,140
like I think it's unfortunate that we see potential allies

750
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:22,240
like Swipill, Pisco, Connor kind of fall into it

751
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,720
and then fall away, but then at the same time,

752
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,620
whenever I see, whenever I see his song go on

753
00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:31,160
and do an eight hour stream about you or, you know,

754
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,040
whatever that kind of stuff, it's like, yeah, Ethan,

755
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,080
yeah, that's a great one.

756
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,720
It's like, okay, that is like unhinged

757
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,720
and like probably like mentally unhealthy behavior or whatever.

758
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,480
And bad in the ways that you've described

759
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,160
like not to minimize any of that.

760
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,240
But it's also like, I'm sorry,

761
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,120
but it's also like that's eight hours

762
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,880
that he didn't spend trying to claim credit for Tallarico

763
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,200
or like, you know, putting his words into,

764
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,680
you know, a boo, I'll say it's mouth.

765
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,840
And it's kind of a thing to me where like,

766
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,720
I was sitting over here like,

767
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,760
it sucks that all of these people have to suffer for it

768
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,600
but also at the same time, like I'm kind of glad

769
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,720
that he's focused on this bullshit drama shit

770
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,040
rather than trying to keep being like

771
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,200
inserting himself into the political environment.

772
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,880
It's kind of, it's kind of weird to me.

773
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:12,720
- Sure.

774
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:13,560
- 'Cause it's like--

775
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:14,400
- I understand what you're saying though,

776
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,560
but for him, that is his, that's the only way

777
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,280
that he can exist in the political environment, right?

778
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Because he views communities like mine as a threat.

779
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,160
Like, you better fucking believe,

780
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,760
you can assume that I already have the feelers out

781
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,280
for that Scott Jennings case.

782
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,360
I think Scott Jennings did do bad things to Hassan

783
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,240
and probably slander the fuck out here, I'm sure,

784
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,200
but you better believe that any fucking thing

785
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,200
that Hassan has ever said about this guy,

786
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,000
about him being potentially gay

787
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,400
or his wife chitter, anything like that,

788
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,720
that that's gonna come back on him in that court case too,

789
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,080
100 million percent.

790
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,280
- Well, yeah, I think--

791
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,200
- Because I'm the only person on the liberal side

792
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,800
that actually will stand up to any of these people.

793
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,720
In his mind, he has to destroy that opposition.

794
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:52,600
And so that's why he thinks it's worth his time to do it.

795
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,200
And to some extent, he's probably right.

796
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,200
Because without people like me,

797
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,680
he would just move on a post like he does

798
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,400
throughout every other medium.

799
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,840
- Oh, well, one second.

800
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,240
When you say you're putting the feelers out,

801
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:02,280
what do you mean by that?

802
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,640
Like, you just wanna know, or what do you mean?

803
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,160
- As in, if anybody in that team were to ever

804
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,640
hypothetically, theoretically be in contact

805
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:09,800
with me or anybody on my side,

806
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,120
you better believe I'm pumping that information over there.

807
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,000
- Well, I mean, like one, I think you should obey

808
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,440
the legal obligations that, you know,

809
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,440
needs to be in there for things to do.

810
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,000
I'm not saying otherwise.

811
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,000
But I mean, in this case, like, I'm no fan of it's on,

812
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,240
but I will say like, if there were an enemy

813
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:31,680
for him to go up against where I'm kind of saying like,

814
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,080
yeah, like, it's not an enemy of my enemy

815
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,400
is my friend's situation was like, you know what?

816
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,420
I'm glad to see my enemy attack an enemy of mine.

817
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,280
You know, I mean, these jinnings guys, I mean, like,

818
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,680
God damn, like, I think I don't know if I said it publicly,

819
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,480
I was like, I'm like, he's so thirsty for being Trump's

820
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,960
press secretary, I'm surprised he hasn't gone trans

821
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,920
and become Blonde Bimbo to like,

822
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,120
- He's an insanely fucking disgusting person.

823
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,000
I agree because he practices politics the same

824
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,020
that Asanda's, they're the exact same kind.

825
00:55:03,020 --> 00:55:06,220
- Yeah, I would not, I would not agree with that.

826
00:55:06,220 --> 00:55:08,260
And I don't think I would even discourage you

827
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:09,820
from what you, you know,

828
00:55:09,820 --> 00:55:12,420
whatever, to make an information available to people, yeah?

829
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:13,660
- Right, and that's, yeah.

830
00:55:13,660 --> 00:55:15,100
It's just, it's something to me where it's like,

831
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:17,820
it's, it's, I think, actually let me put it this way.

832
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:21,580
I think this is probably the closest as far as like the line

833
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:23,980
would be, right, as far as like, would you,

834
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:25,700
or would you not help us out?

835
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,620
Cause it's like, man, this is some fucking,

836
00:55:28,620 --> 00:55:32,020
like this is, this is like FDR talking to Stalin

837
00:55:32,020 --> 00:55:33,820
about Hitler, right, where you're like,

838
00:55:33,820 --> 00:55:34,860
well, do you really want to help him,

839
00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:35,700
or do you not want to help him?

840
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:38,060
It's like, you know, I think that's like a case-by-case basis.

841
00:55:38,060 --> 00:55:42,860
But I would say too, as, you know,

842
00:55:42,860 --> 00:55:44,380
I would say like as generous as I was being

843
00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:46,460
in the post that I made about it,

844
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:48,140
as we've, as you've said in other cases,

845
00:55:48,140 --> 00:55:49,140
this is the complaint.

846
00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:51,540
We're going to hear things in the most positive version

847
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:53,780
to as soon as possible, right?

848
00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:55,220
He doesn't have to put things there

849
00:55:55,220 --> 00:55:58,540
that are 100% true or that he has 100% facts of.

850
00:55:59,580 --> 00:56:02,300
And so, I mean, it's, I kind of,

851
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:04,860
I understand where you're coming from on this,

852
00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:07,380
but I think that whenever I,

853
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:08,900
when you say like, this is how they express

854
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:11,340
their political power, right,

855
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:13,060
whenever you're saying, when you say, and that's-

856
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:14,740
- I'm trying to say, like socio-cultural,

857
00:56:14,740 --> 00:56:16,140
like social and cultural power.

858
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:17,780
I don't like to say political power on the lefties

859
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:19,900
because they don't actually usually translate it

860
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:22,500
to voting and electing people.

861
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:24,540
It's a little bit different than how the MAGA people do it,

862
00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:26,860
but yeah, it's all through the veneer

863
00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:28,620
or aesthetic of politics.

864
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:30,180
But yeah, sorry, I just clarified.

865
00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:31,020
But yeah, go ahead.

866
00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:32,900
But you're right, but yeah, go ahead.

867
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:37,900
- It's not like, well, but I think whenever you see that,

868
00:56:38,140 --> 00:56:40,540
okay, I'm gonna, I don't believe this,

869
00:56:40,540 --> 00:56:43,660
but this is me being too charitable, okay.

870
00:56:43,660 --> 00:56:46,180
Do you think there is something to say that like,

871
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:49,340
they developed that skill or that muscle

872
00:56:49,340 --> 00:56:51,060
or that area of political power

873
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:54,140
because of being excluded from political power?

874
00:56:54,140 --> 00:56:54,980
- No.

875
00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:55,820
- Or do you think it's because they're,

876
00:56:55,820 --> 00:56:57,580
they're unsatisfied with the political power

877
00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:58,420
that's accessible?

878
00:56:58,420 --> 00:56:59,620
- I fully have bought into the idea

879
00:56:59,620 --> 00:57:01,420
that there are certain psychologies

880
00:57:01,420 --> 00:57:03,900
that buy into certain political ideologies.

881
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:05,380
I think that people like Asana, I think are,

882
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:06,540
to some extent, evil people.

883
00:57:06,540 --> 00:57:09,860
And I think that evil people buy into what I would consider,

884
00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:11,220
I don't know if I call it evil ideologies,

885
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:13,060
but ideologies that I don't consider compatible

886
00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:15,100
with my society or with the country that I live in

887
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:16,500
or with the values that I share.

888
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:18,740
And I think that they're a form of practicing

889
00:57:18,740 --> 00:57:22,380
political or socio-cultural power through like exclusion

890
00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:24,380
and not just exclusion either 'cause exclusion

891
00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:26,300
on Arizona isn't bad, but exclusion in combination

892
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:30,260
with like top down lies, most of lies,

893
00:57:30,260 --> 00:57:31,860
no more fancy work for it.

894
00:57:31,860 --> 00:57:34,620
Yeah, I consider this stuff to be not like basically evil.

895
00:57:34,620 --> 00:57:36,100
Yeah.

896
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:37,860
- Okay, no, no, I think that's fair.

897
00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:40,380
It's like, it's a sense where

898
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:47,500
it's funny because the, I agree with you that like,

899
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:49,420
this is the exact same stuff that Asana does.

900
00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:52,940
Like I believe it was, I'm sorry, I was forgetting to name,

901
00:57:52,940 --> 00:57:54,380
but I believe someone already has posted like,

902
00:57:54,380 --> 00:57:57,100
here's Asana doing literally the same thing to me.

903
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:58,660
Why would I not sue him for it?

904
00:57:58,660 --> 00:58:00,140
Right? - Yeah.

905
00:58:00,140 --> 00:58:04,020
- And it's, it is very much like a glass houses situation.

906
00:58:05,860 --> 00:58:09,540
I'm just, to me, looking in on it,

907
00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:11,900
it's one of those things too where it's like,

908
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:16,900
I feel like, I feel like the avenues to attack Asana are,

909
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:20,900
like there's so many out there,

910
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:23,060
whatever I look at the small-- - No, no, no, no, no.

911
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:26,060
The three that I mentioned before are the,

912
00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:27,940
you have to have the media do something,

913
00:58:27,940 --> 00:58:31,580
but they're, for a ton of different reasons,

914
00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:32,460
the media's not equipped for it.

915
00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:34,460
You have to have-- - Oh, one second.

916
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:36,700
Sorry, I think I misphrase that.

917
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:38,380
I think this is, I've made,

918
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:41,660
and this could be me having a lawyer brain.

919
00:58:41,660 --> 00:58:44,540
It feels to me like a similar thing where it's like,

920
00:58:44,540 --> 00:58:46,820
we shouldn't lie to make a song look bad, right?

921
00:58:46,820 --> 00:58:48,660
- I agree with that, yeah.

922
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:51,940
- Right, and to me, it's like, with this lawsuit,

923
00:58:51,940 --> 00:58:55,100
it's like, I think there's so many other avenues

924
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:58,940
to critique Asana or to try to find ways

925
00:58:58,940 --> 00:59:01,660
to work against his goals.

926
00:59:01,660 --> 00:59:04,980
That to me, the lawsuit feels like something where it's like,

927
00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:07,800
I don't know if that's where I would put the effort, right?

928
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,740
And I think I agree with you in the sense where I would put

929
00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:11,740
the feelers out just in case and see what's out there.

930
00:59:11,740 --> 00:59:13,700
- Put the effort. - Right, to have it on.

931
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:17,220
Yeah, I think, but as far as like, I don't know,

932
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:20,060
like I don't even know if I've covered the effort.

933
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:21,380
- But the effort into like, say like,

934
00:59:21,380 --> 00:59:23,540
hey, is there anything that he said about Jennings

935
00:59:23,540 --> 00:59:25,180
that would be relevant?

936
00:59:25,180 --> 00:59:26,440
I think that's fair to do that.

937
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,020
- Yeah, sure. - I think beyond that though,

938
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:29,180
I think that there's so much more to do.

939
00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:30,660
- Yeah, I'm not saying anything beyond that.

940
00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:32,140
But I don't think that, I just don't,

941
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:36,780
I really don't like the idea of him winning a lawsuit

942
00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:39,660
pertaining to lying about people when his brand

943
00:59:39,660 --> 00:59:41,820
is exclusively built off of lies.

944
00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:43,940
Like I would, I would, I would, unironically,

945
00:59:43,940 --> 00:59:45,420
if it came to a jury trial, I would just support

946
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:46,260
Scott Jennings on that.

947
00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:47,700
That he would win just to make it a neutral.

948
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:49,140
Because I don't, I wouldn't want the idea

949
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:51,020
that people would walk away thinking that Hassan Piker

950
00:59:51,020 --> 00:59:53,580
is some truth-sayer and Fox News or whatever are, are not.

951
00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:55,580
I think that's a, I think that's a, I think that's true.

952
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,860
- I think that there, is this just me,

953
00:59:58,860 --> 01:00:00,940
or do you tell me about him? - No, he's robot.

954
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,680
I didn't discord. I don't know why no, I'm not dude. Come on. Um, I think I think to me that

955
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,920
the if I'm like, you know pulling out from just like analyzing a lawsuit, I think there is that

956
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,240
I think it's fair to say there's like not only is like the negative use of there. I think there's a

957
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:22,400
kind of legitimizing effect that is it that should not come from this right like I think that like

958
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:27,120
whether or not this guy defamed his son the way he did like that's not the worst thing that Hassan

959
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,240
has said even if that even if Hassan did say that that wouldn't be the worst thing Hassan said.

960
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,360
I agree. And it's frustrating to talk to see people pick bad lines of attack against him. Yes.

961
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,400
Well, and then also it's kind of a thing for me where it's just like, I think there's a

962
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,720
very legitimate critique or legitimate like response to this lawsuit of just like,

963
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,160
you know what? If your owed money go get it, but like this does not change anything about the

964
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,720
fact that you are like a liar like that. And I think it's a vector for him to get positive

965
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:58,160
media coverage and it after a long cycle of him kind of getting shit on. And I would say that I'm

966
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:03,840
worried about people kind of making him kind of some kind of like underdog or like symbol of

967
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,920
fighting against Trump with this. I don't think and like if you actually if you read the petition,

968
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,240
they're very clearly angling for that. There's parts of the petition where they're like very

969
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:17,280
clearly like calling out Jennings for his political actions and trying to undermine Jennings attempts

970
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:23,120
to join the Trump administration. So there this is not just a petition for like him. No, I'm aware.

971
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,960
I think I read this. I don't know. This is true. But supposedly I read somewhere that the same

972
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,160
guys that did the Dominion lawsuit are the ones working on this and the DC lawyers too. He didn't

973
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,800
pick some of them California firms. Yeah, the DC lawyers that he the lawyers he's using, they do

974
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:40,400
focus on defamation and they helped in the Dominion lawsuit. I believe that literally the

975
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:46,880
Dominion lawsuit had more than one law firm. But I know these guys worked on it. And so yeah, I mean,

976
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:54,560
now I will say this also he is immediately like any any I don't know how to say good will but any

977
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,240
guy I've announced that had on this like he immediately like just showed his bare ass by being like,

978
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:03,200
I'm gonna fucking fundraise for money on this fucking believe it so fucking crazy shameless

979
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:08,880
this fucking piece of shit is dude. That was it was so funny how it was like, okay, like, you know,

980
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,800
I guess he's he's really like out here like trying to defend his right since like, oh, no, he's

981
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:18,080
you know, don't don't let a good tragedy go to waste or good crisis go to waste like it's just

982
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,760
the hip-hop. It's so funny too because you've heard the honestly and it's a meme saying but it

983
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,480
really is, in my opinion, one of the strongest attacks on capitalism is when people talk about

984
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,120
bailouts for companies and they say privatized gains, socialized losses. Yeah, I think that is

985
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,720
one of the strongest attacks you because it's like, excuse me, we're bailing you out. Does that

986
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,400
mean that when you guys have like a really profitable next quarter? Are we getting a dividend from that

987
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,400
or excuse me? So the fact that yeah, the fact that he's trying to fundraise what does he do with his

988
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,320
money? Well, I'm sorry. That's a stupid thing. He spends money on fucking fashion and stupid

989
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:53,760
shit. My bad. Well, and it's also it's also kind of laughable because there's just there's so many

990
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,480
like one, they're obviously asking for attorneys. He's here, which is funny. And then it's then the

991
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:03,680
second part is this is like, Dan, I know earlier you put out a big number. And if they went all

992
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,240
the way through trial, I could see potentially him getting into seven figures. It's possible,

993
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,560
especially. Yeah, that's crazy to imagine that he spent what I've spent on my lawsuit, huh?

994
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:20,160
I mean, you could have been building grifters for defamation, but instead, you know, you're wasting

995
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:28,320
your time. No, Kafka, this law firm is exceptionally expensive. Like, it's possible. I would be but

996
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,160
one thing I said was like, this is a question of, is it going to survive

997
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,600
pleadings getting through getting through the pleading stage? I mean, there are processes where

998
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:44,640
they might do specific types of hearings that would be kind of like a mini trial. So I could

999
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:49,520
see that getting him into like the low six figures. But once you get through pleadings on a defamation

1000
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:54,880
case like this, I think, I think it's going to very quickly go to settlement from Jennings side.

1001
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,960
It's possible that he's an insane person and won't and that it'll go all the way. And I agree

1002
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,520
with you at that point. I agree. Would you you're looking at getting to seven figures? But I think

1003
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,240
like, especially right now, he's probably put up 100 K as a retainer. And that's going to sit there

1004
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,560
for a while before he needs any monies. The idea that he like needs to fundraise for this is pretty

1005
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:18,240
silly. Well, firstly, I would, you know, it's nefarious, bro. He just what's nefarious as fuck

1006
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:24,000
is I feel like it might end in a settlement with an NDA and Hassan contrad it as a W. And Jennings

1007
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,360
walks away with no damages at all. And that's going to be the most frustrating thing. Well, he won't be

1008
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:32,480
able to try it as a W because whatever NDA is signed is going to come with a non-disparagement as

1009
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,880
well. So he's not going to be able to shit on him or anything. He'll just say that they had to

1010
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:40,480
reach some kind of mutual agreement or whatever. But also I seriously. Well, okay, so here's

1011
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,760
the real question. Well, hold on. Wait, wait, just for a first thing you said, I doubt Jennings is

1012
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,760
putting up money for this Fox News has to have some kind of coverage or whatever for the people

1013
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,160
that they have on their network. I would be shocked if they have to. Okay, I didn't know if Jennings

1014
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,240
was like an independent guy or if he was Fox News guy or whatever. I wasn't I was one part I was

1015
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,980
Jenny's a CNN I know I know that he

1016
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,760
- If he goes on the CNN panels with Mokler,

1017
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,440
I thought that he was a,

1018
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,480
I thought that he was like a Fox News guy though, normally.

1019
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,860
- Well, I thought it was on his specific podcast.

1020
01:05:09,860 --> 01:05:10,700
- Oh. - And that.

1021
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:12,320
- Oh. - I didn't, okay.

1022
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,060
- And he's a CNN political commentator.

1023
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,720
So I don't know how old-- - I thought he guessed,

1024
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:18,680
started on, okay, nevermind.

1025
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,440
Okay, sorry, okay, then it literally might just be him.

1026
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:22,440
It depending on where he said it,

1027
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:23,280
if it was on his podcast,

1028
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,720
I thought it would just be him and his business money

1029
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:25,560
or whatever insurance he has.

1030
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:26,800
Okay, go ahead. - Okay.

1031
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,400
Right, and so then like, to me,

1032
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,080
I think the, like, one question is,

1033
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,080
is if he showed up and said,

1034
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,520
"Assan, here is, I don't know, half a million dollars,

1035
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,060
"but I don't apologize and I don't retract anything.

1036
01:05:41,060 --> 01:05:42,760
"Here's an NDA.

1037
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,800
"Do you think Hassan sees the money, takes it and runs,

1038
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,600
"or does Hassan actually understand the assignment

1039
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:53,440
"and goes, no, you need to give me a retraction and apology?"

1040
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,920
'Cause like, really, 'cause people are like,

1041
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:55,720
"Oh, there's no damage,

1042
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:56,720
"is Hassan's not gonna get anything?"

1043
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,840
I'm like, if Hassan gets $1 but gets a retraction

1044
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,160
and apology, you should count that as a victory.

1045
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,680
That's the whole point of this case, is that like,

1046
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,080
if you were truly coming at this as a political operative,

1047
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,320
that should be your goal,

1048
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,080
is to get the retraction and apology for those statements.

1049
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:11,920
- Yeah, why would you?

1050
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,320
I don't understand why he would sell it for any dollar

1051
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,000
unless you're in a big seven figure round.

1052
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,640
- Unless he's stupid and he only cares about money.

1053
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,360
- Right, but he can't find $100, okay?

1054
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,320
- I don't know, like, I don't know how much money he has.

1055
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,560
He's out here begging for money to help pay for his lawyers.

1056
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,600
- Yeah, because he knows he can scam his audience for free,

1057
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:28,640
just like, picks you fundraising,

1058
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,080
even though she's got a rich mama down there paying for her,

1059
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,080
we'll also, why the fuck not?

1060
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,080
If you can get free money, if you're gonna--

1061
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,400
- Well, sure, if he gets 500k and then can just lie

1062
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:35,240
to his audience and be like,

1063
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:36,840
"I won the lawsuit, it's good enough,"

1064
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,480
and everybody in his audience just lapsed it up

1065
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:39,960
and doesn't care, right?

1066
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:40,880
Like, like--

1067
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,640
- I would be surprised if he settled for like a,

1068
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,120
I would be surprised if he would be okay with a settlement.

1069
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,080
That would be, but I also do agree with you

1070
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:49,120
that it would be crazy for,

1071
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,920
my guess is gonna be every lawyer that's talking to,

1072
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,320
Jennings is telling him to settle,

1073
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,520
that you don't ever want anything I guess going through.

1074
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:58,360
I could be wrong,

1075
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,240
and maybe there are some scum fuck lawyers out there,

1076
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,040
but just the over, it's kind of funny.

1077
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,200
Well, actually, I even told this straight,

1078
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,520
for lawsuits I've been turned down before,

1079
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:06,960
'cause they were like, "This is a two sociopathic."

1080
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,000
When I wanted to see the fuck of that

1081
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:08,840
aid paladin' girl,

1082
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,920
and they saw videos of her being an alcoholic online,

1083
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,680
I feel like every lawyer that I've talked to

1084
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:13,520
in the professional world,

1085
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,360
people always say they wanna milk you,

1086
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,840
they wanna make you, all of them have told me,

1087
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:16,680
whatever you're thinking,

1088
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:17,880
you literally just should never do it,

1089
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,400
because suing everybody is a nightmare,

1090
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,840
and literally everybody hates litigation,

1091
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,520
and it's every lawyer I've ever talked to

1092
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,800
has always recommended against like any formal litigation ever.

1093
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:25,920
Not lawyers like friend,

1094
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,360
like the law firms that I'll contact with,

1095
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,960
they're like, "This shit, I don't know if you really,

1096
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,360
"if you really wanna go all the way with this shit."

1097
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,240
I'm like, "Well."

1098
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,160
So I didn't surprise us got Jenny's law firm

1099
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:34,000
with saying it anymore, like,

1100
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,000
"Yeah, let's get into a protracted four year case

1101
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,920
"where we're firing off emails and shit back and forth

1102
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,280
"to one of the most politically vocal people online

1103
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,160
"that's not gonna be blasting your emails and info,

1104
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,520
"like that would be crazy."

1105
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,400
- Yeah, it's incredibly,

1106
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,840
like if you're talking to a lawyer that is not,

1107
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,920
you need to be positioning yourself for trial,

1108
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,880
but always looking for settlement, basically, right?

1109
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,880
And for talking to a lawyer that doesn't have that mindset,

1110
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,760
it's because they're a bad lawyer and they are billking you.

1111
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,960
But like, if you have a certain amount of money

1112
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,920
and a certain amount of like intelligence

1113
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,320
and the ability to like ask for referrals,

1114
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,240
you will almost never run into that lawyer.

1115
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,160
Usually those lawyers are the lawyers

1116
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,360
that have like an office by themselves

1117
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,640
and they say they do PI insurance defense,

1118
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,040
criminal defense, contract,

1119
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,680
like they'll just list everything they can

1120
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,600
and anything that comes through the door, they'll do it.

1121
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,040
Like those are the lawyers that are gonna like

1122
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,520
try to bill get, right?

1123
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,920
Or apparently immigration lawyers from Puerto Rico.

1124
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,800
But, you know, most lawyers, like you say,

1125
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,600
are gonna recommend that you settle.

1126
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,200
And like in a case like this,

1127
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:37,200
I would like, are they based on those pleadings?

1128
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,280
If someone came in and handed me that,

1129
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,520
I would be like, all right,

1130
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,080
what is your explanation for why this isn't true?

1131
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,760
And if they don't have a like,

1132
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,200
I have evidence that these are all created by AI.

1133
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,820
Here are the recordings that are the exact opposite.

1134
01:08:50,820 --> 01:08:53,160
If they didn't have that, I would say, okay,

1135
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,000
how willing are you to settle right now?

1136
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:55,840
- Sure.

1137
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,080
I think my biggest question is I would just be curious

1138
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,200
what the, like, are there any,

1139
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,840
what is like the last big jury trial, right?

1140
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,240
I don't even know if it necessarily goes juror.

1141
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,520
The last big settlement decided by judge

1142
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,440
defamation cases that are related to like political things.

1143
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:12,600
'Cause the political, I feel like the political--

1144
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,960
- Other than defamation, you mean?

1145
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,600
Or you mean like that actually went to trial?

1146
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,880
- Or just like in terms of like,

1147
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,040
or judges making big MSJ rulings.

1148
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,320
'Cause I feel like one of the difficult things

1149
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,280
about defamation related to politics is like,

1150
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:26,040
you're, this is like your peak first amendment power here

1151
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,640
where you're like at peak,

1152
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,800
like people are really, really scared

1153
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,440
to step into this realm and say,

1154
01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:33,800
this was defamation or whatever, so I'm curious.

1155
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,640
- Yeah, I think that is one of the biggest things

1156
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,960
that's cutting against, there's like two things in here

1157
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,200
that's like really cutting against him.

1158
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,840
It's like one, it's political and two,

1159
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,800
even in their own pleadings, they say this, which I didn't,

1160
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,680
I think this was something that I don't know

1161
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,440
if I would have necessarily included this.

1162
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:53,200
Granted, I don't practice in DC.

1163
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,440
I don't do defamation cases.

1164
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:56,000
So granted assault with all of this.

1165
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,600
They say like, oh, he's a shock jock, basically.

1166
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,080
He says outrageous.

1167
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,720
things to get attention. Well, there were two big I believe two big cases involving Howard Stern

1168
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:13,040
and Open Anthony who were shock jocks that were sued for I believe things around this and they're

1169
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,520
trying to argue who's a shock jock Hassan or Scott Jennings Scott Jennings and they're saying

1170
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:24,240
that Johnny's got a financial incentive to defame Hassan and that that goes to malice and intense

1171
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:30,320
show and so you know I don't like I know that there have been some cases around that that

1172
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:36,400
wouldn't Howard Sterns and and Open Anthony's favor and so like that is an area where it's like

1173
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,920
okay it's like a guy on the radio saying shocking things you're right there's political speech with

1174
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:48,720
it that being said all that being said like it's this is some if this is not defamation man it is

1175
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,120
they're setting a really high fucking standard if this is a defamation of some kind of like

1176
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:57,840
I'm just curious on this world is rising you ever read the original New York Times to be Sullivan

1177
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:04,080
case yeah I've had to read that the facts of that case were when I I think the first time I finally

1178
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,440
read that case like a year or two years I was curious well I cite New York Times is home I should

1179
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:11,280
read the written case and it's not that long the facts of that case are crazy the New York Times

1180
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,160
lied a lot it was the things that we're planning about the I think it was like the commissioner and

1181
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,480
the like the sheriff or something and that they were full on fucking lies they were incredibly

1182
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:24,640
negligent in fact it was just so wrong but the yeah but the first amendment protections it's like

1183
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,960
your height of political reporting and everything else in New York yeah that was where the standard

1184
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,120
came from the actual malice standard you have to prove for public figures when public figures are

1185
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:37,840
involved you have to prove that the person printing this they knowingly with the intent to harm your

1186
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:42,800
reputation or career or monetary whatever we're printing these things so it's not just that they

1187
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,720
were wrong and it's not just that they were negligent I don't know if they actually use like a

1188
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:51,600
reckless standard do they do they call it or knowing okay yeah so they reckless are knowing

1189
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,640
and reckless is not negligent is like oops like I you know man I messed up recklessness is like

1190
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:01,840
you absolutely should have known better and you have like an obligation to do this thing so

1191
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:08,640
it's a really high standard you wouldn't know yeah so like and in this case like it's it's pretty

1192
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:14,400
wild because it's like there's a there's a clip of us on being sarcastic about and saying this guy

1193
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:20,560
must think that it'd be great if lynchings came back and they they edit that up

1194
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,880
and then they take a still image from and they I believe they show that clip in a context that

1195
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:32,240
makes it looks like a son is saying that he thinks that and then they show a single image of his son

1196
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:37,520
with like a quote on a chiron underneath it that says the world like the world would be better if

1197
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:42,720
lynchings were back which is like a phrase that he explicitly did not ever say sure and it's like

1198
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:50,000
okay how could he not know there's there's no way that you could create that image and not know

1199
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:56,720
that it's false yeah right and then you look at like okay well why did he put this out and it's like

1200
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:05,520
well the whole point was to make a song look bad and then confer that onto a dual saiad in the

1201
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:12,640
election like it's like I it's a situation where I would look at that and go like I the only reason

1202
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,960
I would I would think that it wouldn't be found to be defamation I actually agree with you is if

1203
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:21,920
the court goes well for political speech we're gonna touch it spiritually yeah we're just not

1204
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:26,720
gonna touch it right or something along with those I could see that as like an almost absolute

1205
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:32,000
defense because there are a lot of there's there's like legal theory around the idea of free speech

1206
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,440
and like there's there's like certain legal theory that says like free speech we actually don't have

1207
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:41,760
free speech except for political speech actually all speech can be um man you can say political

1208
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,520
theory whatever they teach you guys in law school my takeaway is just I just feel like there's things

1209
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,600
the springboard like oh that's really hairy I don't know if I want my name going on some fucking crazy

1210
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:55,600
shit this yeah that's what it feels like to me it's like you're like political questions doctrine

1211
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,800
it's like the supreme court is here to balance out and it's like yeah but you know this is like a

1212
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,680
really big thing and maybe we're gonna punt that one back to congress whatever whatever do you think

1213
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:10,400
this is as bad or do you think this is not as bad as bad or worse than the facts of the dominion

1214
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:16,320
lawsuit um I mean I skimmed it I think the dominion one I think the dominion one was

1215
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:21,440
worse just because I believe one of the elements for defamation is damages and I think the dominion

1216
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:27,040
shit there whole thing was going bankrupt like and this one the way that this was being pled

1217
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,960
under the the malice standard in dc they don't have to prove damages this is a the this is a

1218
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,680
certain thing or whatever versus perquat sure yeah so so you know when you get per se in malice

1219
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,600
then you're gonna be they're gonna presume the damages sure whether or not he can get that much

1220
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:46,320
who knows dc doesn't have a cap on punitive damages sure how does uh dc actually compared to

1221
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:52,240
california as far as um i my understanding is that dc is a preferable venue which is probably why

1222
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:59,040
he chose to go there rather than california does jennings live in california is literally in the

1223
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,520
united states as soon as

1224
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,360
you put something on the internet you have a nexus with fucking every single fucking territory

1225
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,360
you're gonna imagine I feel like you can argue venue almost anywhere I think yeah I think the

1226
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,560
well I think venue would have been okay I think personal jurisdiction in California would have

1227
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:15,120
been would have been difficult I'm not sure the personal jurisdiction rules if they have something

1228
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:21,520
DC's got very permissive personal jurisdiction rules I'm not sure if California has similar ones

1229
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:27,040
whereas like for DC like if you do any business in DC at all you they have personal jurisdiction

1230
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:31,040
yeah well other guys I meant jurisdiction not venue I didn't know we were gonna okay the venue just

1231
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:37,760
I feel like the the best solution here is is really hoping that both of them lose a tremendous

1232
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:43,280
amount of money going back and forth like I like I think me and Mr. Mooten watched this live when

1233
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:49,920
this came out is that right Moot when uh this guy defamed his song were you there whoa whoa whoa

1234
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:54,320
whoa allegedly don't use those words I don't ever want anything on my stream to show up in his

1235
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,640
court filings that helps him fuck that motherfucker but yeah I mean yeah I mean that's what he said

1236
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,880
sorry yeah I think me and me and Lucas were we're watching and we're like wow this is a little bit

1237
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:10,080
there's a little bit frisky but then again um Hassan also takes just such extreme extreme liberties

1238
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:16,160
with how he that's one way of defame those people yeah like to a level that I think

1239
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:23,280
well actually that's a question for you Kafka is how will that affect it like if probably not at all

1240
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:30,560
I mean this is between two parties yeah like in one of the uh you're all like this you have to

1241
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:35,680
show that this particular thing um was the direct cause so for instance like he's he's claiming

1242
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,840
very specific numbers right he's saying like hey this cause but he doesn't he doesn't have to prove

1243
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,680
any of it yeah if it's per se damages then it doesn't matter what he decides for whatever right

1244
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,080
right there's a figure that he's asking for and I think the other side he's gonna be like okay

1245
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,240
how can you explain this like I mean I was certainly happy to be right but they're saying this is a

1246
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:57,360
jury question this is a question for the jury right this is just okay you want the damages prove it

1247
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:01,520
and he can go okay here's my proof in the jury and go we believe him or we don't and so what I so

1248
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:07,520
what I was gonna ask is is how much leeway and what effect will it have the fact that Hassan's

1249
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:12,240
reputation is kind of in the shitter uh and he has all these other scandals and I I mean being

1250
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:16,160
completely honest I think it's almost impossible to point to this and be like oh yeah this is what

1251
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:20,720
did Hassan in because there's so much shit for Hassan it's it's stupid to think that this is the

1252
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:25,200
one thing that's like caused him to be bad and actually that's easy to prove because all the

1253
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:29,840
comments about Hassan all of them are about the american does it uh deserve 9/11 like none of them

1254
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:35,040
are about this quote like one of the great thing about uh one of the great things is if uh punitive

1255
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,960
damages are taken into account even but whatever you want they get the jury could theoretically think

1256
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:43,120
that maybe an actual damages is not that much but punitively this guy conducted of someone such

1257
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,720
disgusting and gross manner we're gonna we're gonna say as long as it's five hundred million

1258
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:51,840
dollars and whatever so you're saying that if like someone like Hassan who frequently

1259
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,400
and constantly is defaming people that a jury might look at them you're like holy shit this guy

1260
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,520
really defames a lot of people that he would say other people it's not going to be relevant

1261
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:04,560
for this case uh no I know not this case but it came back towards him I mean okay one second

1262
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:10,720
okay I I have to go for this part sorry I won't call I need to get on um sorry all right now I'm

1263
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:17,840
done bye you know uh so the you're you're you got to realize most of that would never be in front

1264
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:22,320
of a jury for them to think about it and and people ask a lot about this like oh Hassan's reputation

1265
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:27,760
is already is is already really bad or you know he's such a he's got such a bad reputation this

1266
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:33,680
couldn't possibly hurt him uh that's that's a very very like broad take on that defense it would

1267
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:38,720
have to be a sense of like people it would have to be something along lines of like Hassan's reputation

1268
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:44,560
is such that people would already think that he is okay with lynching black people such that this

1269
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,880
this defamation couldn't hurt him right because then at that point doesn't matter if it's true or not

1270
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,200
there's no way he could have been to fame but I don't think that say what you want about Hassan

1271
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:57,440
I don't think that he wants to bring lynching back for black people I don't think you know obviously

1272
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:02,880
you better talk about that I mean I wouldn't say that I mean I'm not sure I'm not I don't mind

1273
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:08,320
making he just likes have you seen his audience how they reacted when uh black folks started coming in

1274
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,920
yeah when the black folks started coming and all of a sudden they said I saw a lot of nuke

1275
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:17,360
Detroit's in his chat true did you see that I don't watch as much Hassan's lap as y'all

1276
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:22,960
oh well don't you say that for me uh it's possible I just don't think that Hassan has a reputation such

1277
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:29,200
that that people would already believe that he wants lynching to return and thereby provide a

1278
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:34,800
defense for Jenny I don't think that that's a very good avenue I think that the the him you

1279
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:41,440
won't hear your two other people I'm not done I'm not done if he had suffered some if he had

1280
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:47,760
lost cases and which he'd been sued for defamation and okay that might be relevant I think if Jennings

1281
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,800
was like oh didn't you defame destiny over these things I think that I think that the judge would

1282
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:57,360
be like let's move on this is not relevant I know that you think that he might have done these things

1283
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,920
But that's not relevant here, and it's not relevant for a jury.

1284
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,080
deliberate over it. I don't think that that form of reputation to come up. I think if there's like

1285
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:08,480
reputation around like his attitude towards the black community, that might be relevant. I don't

1286
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:13,680
think that you know streamer drama or even you know relevant political stuff. I don't think that's

1287
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:18,800
gonna come up really. I think that maybe his extreme statement's about 9/11 as him saying extreme

1288
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,440
statements. I think that might come up. But I think also that might cut against Jennings. He's

1289
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:28,240
like, well, he is kind of a shock jock and you know you're allowed to say shocking things as you

1290
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:33,040
well know. So him saying something shocking doesn't necessarily make it less defamatory because

1291
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,800
apparently he does make extreme statements that maybe he doesn't 100% mean, right?

1292
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:46,240
Why didn't so Hassan apparently sent a letter to this guy beforehand where they think is

1293
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:51,840
somewhat required. What do you think the reasoning for the other guy to not just put like a small

1294
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,520
clarifying statement and then because he could have added like a whole bunch of stuff like that's

1295
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:00,080
a thing like you say YouTuber got something wrong like Ryan Beard fucking lied about me. I expect

1296
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,720
that he'll like do another video being like oh I got this wrong but look at all these other bad

1297
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:09,360
things like why not just do that be like oh sorry I got it wrong Hassan didn't say this but he did

1298
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,360
say these things and then just have it be a fucking mega real like what would be the reasoning of

1299
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,360
not doing that. There are there are a ton of different things Jennings could have done that

1300
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,440
would have been way better here that he didn't do it. I can't explain why Hassan sent him a letter

1301
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:25,440
that said these are wrong make a retraction. Well wait a second wait a second. Any counsel

1302
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:28,960
acknowledged receiving it said they were going to respond and didn't wait wait wait wait did they

1303
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:34,400
that's on the plate? What was the letter sent included in the pleadings or just did they say

1304
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:39,920
they sent a letter? I didn't see an exhibit if there were some. The only reason I say that is because

1305
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:45,280
I'm the center letter. One of the reasons why you might not is because they might send a letter

1306
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:50,960
and that letter might already be alleging damages. So you have defamed our client in the following

1307
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:56,400
ways. We expect you to do a retraction to pull these videos down and we expect compensatory blah

1308
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:00,240
blah blah in the amount of one million dollars or something like that. So that might be why they

1309
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,120
didn't bother responding at all or admitting any because why would you admit fault and then that's

1310
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,520
going to be used against you and they didn't feel like they owed any money so that might be why they

1311
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:11,200
just didn't respond you know. Why do you reasons why? But I'm just saying they did the prerequisite of

1312
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:17,680
pointing it out and at this point Jennings can't claim I didn't know. Yeah I will take it down now.

1313
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:23,520
Sure right that's all I'm saying but like it's like but I'm saying by the time of demand by

1314
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:28,320
Jennings does not seem like an intelligent person. So I'm not going to sit here in a tribute

1315
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:33,840
malice when I can. It's just a pity right. I think this is like James. I'm saying that I'm

1316
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,000
going to say to the sister whatever might they might already have like a demand attached to it and

1317
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,960
if he feels like or if his lawyers and whatever felt like they're not going to acquiesce to the

1318
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:45,440
demand then there's no point of responding to the letter right. Yeah oh yeah for sure I mean like

1319
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:51,200
there's legal strategy for why you would or wouldn't do something like that but I mean it's

1320
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:59,600
to me I think overall I think it's a situation where like I think the way that they wrote this

1321
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,440
pleading I said it I think I said last night it was like I'm not a huge fan of how they drafted

1322
01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:07,840
it. It's very clearly like I'll say this I don't do a lot of defamation cases so maybe this is how

1323
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:12,320
you should draft it. I think that that was kind of a little bit flashy and done in a way to kind of

1324
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:17,520
catch attention. I don't think that that was necessary and I think that like part of this was

1325
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:22,480
just kind of a big media push by Hassan to try to get a lot of attention from it. Yeah of course

1326
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:26,960
it's a DC law firm filing a defamation case against another media figure in a public right.

1327
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:32,720
Yeah well it's like this is a very like you know whitewashing effect for him and it's something

1328
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,960
where it's like you know like I said I think that there's this case has legs I think there's

1329
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:43,920
a way for it to go I don't think it wipes anything clean. Yeah I mean like overall I would I would

1330
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:49,440
I would say that like I'm interested in what Jennings answer is to this and then like as far as like

1331
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:54,880
everybody being excited about discovery I just I cannot imagine why Jennings would never go after

1332
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:59,440
that. This guy's this guy's got almost definitely some skeletons in his closet just seeing like the

1333
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:02,880
stuff that he says and the way he acts and things like that it just and even if you don't the whole

1334
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:07,360
discovery process seems just insane to me that that I felt like that has to well no one cares

1335
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,800
because it's only affects celebrities but it's like the idea that I basically get to go through

1336
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,240
as much info as I want and it is going to get leaked and it is going to be published like

1337
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,680
every single thing that you see you know this but for people I don't know every single thing that

1338
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,920
you see that's like juicy that comes out of a court case is some discovery that was turned over

1339
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,080
and then eventually leaked to the fucking media where it's like emails show blah blah blah blah

1340
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:29,600
like they're not in a public filing anywhere usually not it's just like some fucking legal team

1341
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,640
or some guys leaking shit and it's like what the fuck are you gonna do you know and one does anything

1342
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:37,200
about it right and it's like and especially with defamation right we're talking about like speech

1343
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:42,080
intent like a lot of this now things like that like this is gonna be invasive of course and all

1344
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:46,080
this area but yeah but especially yeah there's just no way for media people it's just crazy yeah

1345
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:50,480
so but yeah the right I do agree the response will be interesting to see what he says

1346
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,680
yeah all right I gotta get on a call let me guys start everybody in chat that I didn't

1347
01:24:55,680 --> 01:25:00,000
into your questions i'll try to go back and look at them um but overall i just can't

1348
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,360
to say that you need to stop snarking us on. He's my new best friend. Finally it's just why

1349
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:10,800
Phil said you straight. You little culty fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize that he was embarrassed

1350
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:17,600
for me and that just really shamed me enough to see the light. Also, just so you know, you were

1351
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:22,480
just a stepping stone. Thanks for everything. But yeah, now I can finally be done with your boring

1352
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:34,720
ass dog to move on to the real shit. Oh, yeah. Love you guys. Bye. Well, that part. That part.

1353
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:45,520
Huh? Mm hmm. That part. What do you mean by that? You wouldn't get it. Okay. Tea sleigh. What?

1354
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:54,960
I, um, man, I hope that we get to see something. I kind of feel like we won't. Jennings, please

1355
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:59,280
never defend his son on the stream. You're going to make me puke Dan. No, I'm I'm saying I think Dan

1356
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:05,200
got to defend Hassan. He accidentally did earlier. What do you mean? No, I'm I mean, I'm just saying

1357
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:10,640
what we said when it came out. That's not defending him. Oh, yeah. Come on, Odin. You almost made me puke.

1358
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,200
Look, even these like if he uses me in the court case and says even these online creators,

1359
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:22,000
those people are hacking on myself. Whoa. Innovative. Innovative game.

1360
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:30,960
I put out a little super cut. Did you see it? I linked it to you. Nope. I'm playing Minecraft

1361
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:35,680
right now. Oh, I'm sorry. Can't watch something at the same time. My bad. Not in the hardcore server.

1362
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:56,720
Really pussy. Unbelievable pussy. I'm seeing a lot of, uh, negative Dan sentiment today and I'm not

1363
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:09,280
liking it. Hold on. We got. Oh, Palki remoter her deep fake stream. Good. Good job, queen.

1364
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:18,320
She just, again, not that anybody cares when it's all virtue-signally bullshit. I know because

1365
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,960
whatever there's women L.O.L. and men L.O.L. but like Palki spread more deep fake porn on Twitch

1366
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:29,440
than, um, than A-Trac did. So, but, but, I mean, who gives a fuck right? L.O.L.

1367
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:38,880
Kind of wild. Do you think mine is going to be uncomfortable with Palki in spaces going forward?

1368
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,720
No, I think mine's pretty non-compartational, but

1369
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,280
well, prompt you to discuss Marx's thought. Oh, nothing. I had, um,

1370
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:51,360
I was talking to a couple of friends and all of them don't believe they're like,

1371
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:55,120
"But left is ideologically aligned people really like to debate and argue with people." I'm like,

1372
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:58,640
"No, not in these spaces." So, they're like, "Put out that tweet." So, I put it out and I said,

1373
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:03,760
"Okay, we'll see if anybody bites." Anybody bite? No. Do you know, Steve, how important is this,

1374
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:09,280
like, uh, the letter beforehand? What letter to your mom? Uh, in defamation stuff to send, like,

1375
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:13,040
"Hey, these are the things you've done wrong." Or is it enough to be like they know that it's wrong

1376
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,000
and you can show their past statements? Oh, really? Yeah, I don't think you even need one.

1377
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:21,680
I just think it just helps to demonstrate intent a lot. Like, it, it, it automatically wards off

1378
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:28,320
anything. Um, it automatically wards off any like, "Oh, I had no idea. I didn't even know this was a

1379
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,440
thing or whatever, just in case I could ever come up and just put somebody on notice, basically."

1380
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,040
The part is Gen Z lingo for agreement on something mostly used by

1381
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:48,240
girlies. That part, that part. Okay.

1382
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:03,360
I doubt Scott is worth that much. Scott's probably worth a few million. Not 70 million.

1383
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:11,200
No, I don't think so. The asking for 70 million is wild.

1384
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,480
Well, it's, uh, in American lawsuits, you can put any dollar mat you want.

1385
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:18,000
So it's, I think the judge should throw that out. Well, that'd be funny.

1386
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:22,560
They don't. Yeah. Well, if you look at any lawsuit, though, at the ask, the paper relief is usually

1387
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,640
like, it'll be like a hundred million or whatever. People just always put one billion dollars on

1388
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,160
Iran. Well, I don't know if they've used that, but I don't know why, but they just, for some

1389
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,840
reason in American lawsuits, you just, it's just like always an arbitrarily high number for some

1390
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:40,800
fucker reason. Alex Jones got, yeah, I mean, Alex Jones got fucking. Yes, but I don't know. I'd have to

1391
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:47,040
go back and check. Actually, let me just say look at right now. I was going to say, I don't know,

1392
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:51,680
I think most of the things for Alex Jones, like six years, 70% of the award, I think was in punitive

1393
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:59,920
damages. What percentage of the Alex Jones lawsuit damages?

1394
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,840
or compensatory slash liquidated slash whatever verse just punitive damages

1395
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:15,600
question mark make no mistake you didn't say make no fuck I didn't tell my God

1396
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:23,080
sticks it's over dude it's over dude Mr. Dream room it's so funny he's crowd

1397
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:27,000
funding this is fucking he won't he won't he won't he won't there's no way dude

1398
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:33,360
I'm gonna lose my fucking mind if he does you understand what that means right

1399
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:40,040
like if he crowd funds his lawsuit it means one he explicitly didn't crowd

1400
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,920
fund for any of the other people for denims for a case run for Frogan he said

1401
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:52,600
fuck you yeah mm-hmm oh fuck at a second point I don't know just in general just

1402
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,720
we're just fuck that's just crazy that's like a socialized that's like the

1403
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,260
capitalism meme oh it's a socialized losses and privatized can't like is

1404
01:30:59,260 --> 01:31:01,960
he gonna pay his community back if he wins what does he do with all of his

1405
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:07,240
money are you allowed to do that what could you make the donators stakeholders

1406
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:12,400
in your lawsuit like I don't know be funny I would donate fuck that's a good

1407
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,480
money no you can't I looked into this before by the way only attorneys can do

1408
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:19,720
profit sharing okay so in the Connecticut the big one it was nine hundred and

1409
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:25,060
sixty-five million dollars and damages four hundred and seventy-three in punitive 965

1410
01:31:25,060 --> 01:31:29,660
Jesus Christ and then in the Texas case this is what I was thinking of it was

1411
01:31:29,660 --> 01:31:33,360
four point one million in compensatory damages and forty-five point two million

1412
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:37,920
in punitive so that one was when the numbers are that big does it even matter

1413
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:43,600
it's just yeah if I go bankrupt what do you want me I go next yeah there's a the

1414
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:48,600
way the lawyers say this is a blood from a stone or something there's another

1415
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,620
more formal term for like can you actually get money out of somebody it's

1416
01:31:52,620 --> 01:31:55,160
one of the things that a lawyer considers when they're gonna take on a

1417
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,520
lawsuit or take on a client there's a phrase running for this I'm not gonna

1418
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:04,640
fuck around but yeah the I don't know what the point is of damages out how

1419
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:09,440
there's no world where Giuliani or where Alex Jones or Alex Jones are able to

1420
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:15,080
pay back this you would have to be a multi billionaire to pay that back can

1421
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:20,120
you yeah discharge any of it through bankruptcy or does it just keep going

1422
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,920
forever like the rest of his life I think you ordinarily can but I think you

1423
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:30,320
can do a thing to where you can make it so it can't be I think what is he just

1424
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:34,160
in a debtor's prison the rest of his life oh igwaku I don't know if that's an

1425
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,060
official term or if that's like a tongue-in-cheek term that's a

1426
01:32:36,060 --> 01:32:39,120
term as a judgment proof this is a judgment proof defendant because we're

1427
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:45,840
never gonna have the money to pay you if you're poor you can do whatever you

1428
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,080
want

1429
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:06,760
I'm coming back with dark oak with the dark oak things yeah I brought I got

1430
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:13,360
saplings and everything we're on an adventure we're going on an adventure

1431
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,120
sleep

1432
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:36,700
to hop what is the goal in Minecraft to have the goal in life

1433
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:43,000
okay hold on we got bass Trump statements the audio and all parts of the

1434
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,320
internet is just getting worse and worse to troll me every single day that's

1435
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:52,400
okay though they have solar some solar not those big monsters that they put up

1436
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:57,000
all over the kill all the animals you know the animals jump on them and they

1437
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:02,680
fry because those black panels are hundreds of their hotter than yourself but

1438
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:08,080
did you know that but you didn't know that idiot did you I didn't maybe if the

1439
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:12,940
animals were retarded they'd stay away sure blows what do you mean pokey posted

1440
01:34:12,940 --> 01:34:16,960
more deepfakes on a truck I don't want to show it on because I think it's gross

1441
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:23,400
but the way that it got leaked was a track alt tab to something else and he

1442
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:27,520
didn't all tap to the defakes but in the alt tab menu like this one of the 12

1443
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:32,080
tabs up had defakes on it it was really low resolution and it was on stream for

1444
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:37,760
maybe literally like three frames for a fraction of a fraction of a second what

1445
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:42,400
pokey showed on stream was she just for a long time had up a higher resolution

1446
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:46,800
because it was somebody who messaged the site on her to ask about the to ask

1447
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,440
about the defakes she had a high resolution version of this on her stream

1448
01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:55,760
just up and live because it's just I it's unhinged

1449
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,520
>> What do you want me to say?

1450
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,000
>> I'm curious, what do you think of this?

1451
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:06,460
It's this whole situation in Alaska with the fake person on the belt.

1452
01:35:06,460 --> 01:35:08,160
So you're content with it, you think?

1453
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:09,160
Republicans do it.

1454
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:10,160
No, I understand.

1455
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:11,160
You should do everything wrong.

1456
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:16,400
I mean, I don't really think it's good, but something has to change on the Republican side.

1457
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:17,400
The court should get rid of it.

1458
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:19,640
I'm glad the Dems are doing it.

1459
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:20,640
We have to do something.

1460
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:22,120
We can't just let them do everything bad.

1461
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:23,120
That's just insane.

1462
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:24,120
That's just insane.

1463
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:25,120
Oh, right.

1464
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:26,120
Jesus settled down.

1465
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:27,120
What the fuck?

1466
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:28,120
He just wanted to know your opinion on it.

1467
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:29,660
It's like screaming at him.

1468
01:35:29,660 --> 01:35:30,660
I felt like some anger.

1469
01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:32,660
I'm angry at Republicans.

1470
01:35:32,660 --> 01:35:35,240
I'm angry at the Democratic party for never doing anything.

1471
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:36,880
I felt like you were angry at Dan.

1472
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:37,880
I felt that way.

1473
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:38,880
That's what I felt.

1474
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:40,000
I'm sorry that you feel that way.

1475
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,640
Thank you for acknowledging my feelings.

1476
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,240
They're valid, right?

1477
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:45,240
You can have feelings.

1478
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:46,960
Yeah, that's true.

1479
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,520
Really?

1480
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:50,280
So that's what we're at now.

1481
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:51,280
Interesting.

1482
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,160
We have our Adam and Stitch moment.

1483
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,120
Oh, yeah.

1484
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:56,120
I saw that.

1485
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:57,760
What's going on there?

1486
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,800
Adam is a piece of shit and Stitch is a pushover.

1487
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,920
It's they'll probably be fine.

1488
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,000
I'm sure they probably fight a lot.

1489
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,000
They'll be OK.

1490
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,400
How do you feel, Lucas?

1491
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:10,400
I don't know.

1492
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,120
I don't know enough about him at all.

1493
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:13,320
Hassan's a lot of time.

1494
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:14,320
Hold on.

1495
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:18,560
Scott for something he himself.

1496
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:22,960
Also, Hassan is schooling Scott for something he himself to accuse Ben Shapiro of.

1497
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:28,120
Let me see here.

1498
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:29,760
That was the old one.

1499
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:30,760
It's right.

1500
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:31,760
It's argument.

1501
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:35,960
You know, before we did the abortion one, then property.

1502
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,320
This country saw lynching for like a century.

1503
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:40,320
This country saw.

1504
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,960
Bro, this dude, why are you acting like you don't like lynchings, bro?

1505
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:44,960
What the fuck?

1506
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,960
That's insane, actually.

1507
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:51,360
There's always a clip.

1508
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:55,800
How is there always a clip?

1509
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,240
That's crazy.

1510
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:00,640
How is there like a really, really dude?

1511
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,520
Yep, there's always a clip.

1512
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:04,680
Wow.

1513
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,520
There hasn't been a lynching that you don't need discovery.

1514
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,520
It's on YouTube.

1515
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,160
Haven't supported brother as long as the police is doing it.

1516
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:13,160
Wait, why not?

1517
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:16,680
Like there hasn't been a lynching that you haven't supported brother as long as the police

1518
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:17,680
is doing it.

1519
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:18,680
You know what I mean?

1520
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:19,680
Yeah, yeah.

1521
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,080
Well, there you go.

1522
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:22,080
So there you go.

1523
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:28,240
So it's Hassan accusing Ben Shapiro of the exact same thing that he's suing Scott Jennings

1524
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:32,480
for like W to my editors for finding this.

1525
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:33,480
The.

1526
01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:34,480
Okay.

1527
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:39,000
I'm going to say this as quickly as possible so I can never use in any other place.

1528
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:40,000
I disavow all of it.

1529
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,640
Everything I'm about to say is fictitious and fantastical.

1530
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:43,840
And it's actually opposite and I mean the exact opposite of everything I'm saying.

1531
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,320
So this shows up on anybody's filings.

1532
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,520
It's going to be the exact opposite of how you intended it to be.

1533
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,680
Also you owe me $50 million and you agreed to pay me $50 million if you put this in every

1534
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:51,680
illegal filings ever.

1535
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:52,680
Okay.

1536
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:57,080
Well, you're saying ironically, right and a joke and a son of context.

1537
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:58,080
You can speak to somebody's state of mind.

1538
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:59,840
No matter what, you can always say, I think that you probably support this or I think

1539
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:01,040
you support this or I think you support this or I think you support it when it's police

1540
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:02,040
doing it.

1541
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:03,040
It's obviously not the same thing as what?

1542
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,040
Got Jennings saying.

1543
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:05,040
Okay.

1544
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:06,040
That's all.

1545
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:07,040
All right.

1546
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,040
These are not the same thing.

1547
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:09,040
Exactly.

1548
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:10,040
Same thing drawn out legal battle.

1549
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:11,040
Yeah.

1550
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:11,880
Like, I mean, this is like one for one.

1551
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:16,520
If anything, this is even worse because Hassan is going out there saying it himself.

1552
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,640
Like a Ben Shapiro didn't read somebody else say this.

1553
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,000
Hassan is just putting words in his mouth.

1554
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:24,000
Wow.

1555
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:28,440
Like, why is he, why is he acting like he's on the other side on this issue?

1556
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:33,480
Thousands of lynchings have happened in this country, which I also thought was really good.

1557
01:38:33,480 --> 01:38:37,240
But now I'm pretending to care about and hate.

1558
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:38,240
That's crazy.

1559
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:39,240
Fuck.

1560
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:40,240
And it's true.

1561
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:42,280
Ben Shapiro does support it when the cops are fucking doing it because he's a disgusting

1562
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:43,280
fucking piece of shit.

1563
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,280
So.

1564
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:51,600
That's crazy. he did the exact thing that he's suing somebody for.

1565
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:52,600
That's insane.

1566
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:53,600
Okay.

1567
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:57,680
No, I don't like the litigious society that we've moved through now where everybody's

1568
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,560
doing everything.

1569
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:00,560
But it is.

1570
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:01,560
I would feel uncomfortable.

1571
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,160
Somebody was constantly playing my happy go lucky world of Warcraft music or Blizzard

1572
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:09,480
music in the background of like fucking him learn 2.0 or whatever it takes or whatever.

1573
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:16,880
God, hey, this is again, don't ever listen to somebody like him tell you that he cares

1574
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,960
about, you know, accuracy, accountability.

1575
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,000
He does this to people all the time.

1576
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:30,160
He even, he even did the exact thing that he's suing for to Ben Shapiro.

1577
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:32,360
He did the exact thing.

1578
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:35,960
Holy shit.

1579
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:37,400
Is this another one?

1580
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:38,400
No way.

1581
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:42,160
I think they're the bad guys.

1582
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:43,160
Wow.

1583
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:45,240
This guy's fucking awesome, dude.

1584
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:50,800
I mean, that's awesome in a conversation about like, hmm, what could be the reason for

1585
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:55,920
anti-Asian hate crimes being on the rise is analysis is like, well, you know, we need

1586
01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:00,040
to be lynching some, some Chinese, like that's what we need to be doing, you know.

1587
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,860
I mean, we need to be lynching everyone equal opportunity lynching brother. I don't understand it. What the fuck are you being racist by?

1588
01:40:10,820 --> 01:40:14,640
Streamers have gotten big enough to start lawsuits. I think this is only the start of the legal arcs

1589
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:19,920
Maybe the big problem is that people don't know this people just especially people who are not rich

1590
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:24,760
People don't have an understanding of like the scale of money for rich people and super rich people and kind of rich people

1591
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:29,800
Whatever else when people say that like streamers have gotten to the scale of starting lawsuits streamers make way more

1592
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:35,400
Money past that like legal stuff is just the idea is like oh my god every time a legal thing is involved

1593
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,280
It's gonna be millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars. That's not true at all

1594
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:46,000
What I'm trying to think what does the average cost to take a thing all the way through criminal trial for criminal stuff on the defense side?

1595
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,800
I want to say it's under a hundred K, but it might let me double check on that

1596
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:54,880
But it's not as expensive people think it's still expensive, but the streamers people don't realize

1597
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,800
This is why I complain about us all the time when it comes to alternative media people

1598
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:03,320
When it comes to how lazy people are or how much they complain about the mainstream media streamers make a lot of money at the top

1599
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:08,600
They're making more money than most people on cable news networks at the top streamers make so much money and

1600
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:13,560
Yeah, they want to start soon everybody there. I mean Ethan showed that right if you want to start just dropping lawsuits everywhere. Yeah, fuck it

1601
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:25,240
How much money on average does it cost to pay a defense lawyer to take a criminal

1602
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:30,440
matter through trial on average fuck I put average

1603
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:48,080
How about you why a single lawsuit well one because I'm not ultra mega rich

1604
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:51,320
but two because I I

1605
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:57,320
Thought that my shit was gonna be a lot more serious when the when Pixie was talking about dropping it

1606
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:03,760
So I massively overprepared for what I thought and it ended up not being that so it shouldn't be that

1607
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,440
But I love everybody. Did you true?

1608
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:11,120
For a misdemeanor trial

1609
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:16,200
Usually low thousands to around 10,000 that's from misdemeanors. I don't know what the fuck misdemeanors are gonna trial

1610
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:22,560
Maybe for DUIs if there's some DIY I don't know state felony trial will be 25 to 75,000 average

1611
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:29,400
Serious or complex felonies so homicide or multiple charges

1612
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:36,000
Can reach 150,000 plus in complex cases so for streamers

1613
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:39,120
this is like not

1614
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:44,240
Like the stream on the thrower now. This is criminal shit civil stuff can get way more expensive or way less depending on what exactly they're doing but

1615
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:49,680
I

1616
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:55,040
Okay, I have a very serious question. I actually don't know the answer this so what exactly so Hassan was

1617
01:42:56,080 --> 01:43:03,240
Allegedly clipped out of context to be saying something like I like lynchings or some shit is that accurate if what we say that again

1618
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:06,760
Hassan was allegedly clipped out of context

1619
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:12,440
Where he was criticizing someone else allegedly where he says like I like lynchings or some shit like that

1620
01:43:12,440 --> 01:43:20,120
Is that the the cliff notes of this essentially like this guy said. Oh, Hassan. He loves he loves lynching basically fuck

1621
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,680
I haven't read the complaint and I'm going by I skimmed it and then I read other people talking about it

1622
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:26,800
Are you and Mooten watch the thing isn't the thing that isn't the thing that?

1623
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,960
Happened is that they literally cut together like two Hassan clips to make it sound like it was saying something different

1624
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:34,520
Didn't you guys watch them?

1625
01:43:35,480 --> 01:43:40,920
It was literally that but I don't know why they're suing Scott then and not CNN or whoever it was well

1626
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:44,000
I got a better question and I actually don't have an answer for this

1627
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:47,280
So even assuming that's the case that they did

1628
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,040
Stitchhead together

1629
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:57,040
Look at what like what am I missing here that a per se defamation does not include racism or calling someone racist or saying they're a Nazi or

1630
01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:58,960
saying that they

1631
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:04,320
Hate a certain group of people or that they love lynchings like it's actually not per se defamation

1632
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:10,720
It's only for specific categories of things and this is a read the complaint and see what they a legend the complaint for why it's per se

1633
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:12,720
or

1634
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:14,720
You're gonna have to read the complaints to you. Oh my god

1635
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:21,400
That's your job. We're not reading that complaint. There are four categories criminal behavior and that wouldn't be criminal

1636
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,720
business or professional incompetence so

1637
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:29,040
Attacking a person's comp like if I said that you're a pathological liar

1638
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:35,880
Honesty saying you're dishonest etc. Et cetera loathsome are contagious disease

1639
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:41,120
So like if I say you have AIDS or okay cause it has one defamation per se mr

1640
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:46,380
I can't cooperate to the preceding allegations that set for later on August on door up published falsity commentary statements

1641
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:51,600
The challenge publications included the manipulated video doo doo his false visual

1642
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,920
Each challenge publication sir, mr. Piker doing his name on on on on

1643
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,920
Jenny steams are false. He's never advocated for lynching called for black voters

1644
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,440
going to be lynched. The defamatory meaning was equally clear. Mr. Jennings, Paul Supertrade, Mr.

1645
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:09,920
Breggers a violent racist, who supported the lynchings of black people? Those revolve assertions of fact,

1646
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:16,880
jiu jiu, do not merely offer an interpretation. The fact that it was an actual assembl, jiu jiu,

1647
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:29,760
he act with actual malice. Okay, the statements of defamatory per se because they

1648
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:33,440
directly injure Mr. Piker in his trade and profession. Mr. Piker earns his living as a

1649
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:37,280
professional commentator whose business depends on his public reputation and the willingness

1650
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,960
of viewers, advertisers, sponsors, platforms, and commercial partners who associate with him

1651
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:44,560
and engage with this content online, falsely accusing him of advocating for lynching is incompatible

1652
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:47,360
with the proper conduct of that profession and naturally tends to injure him in it.

1653
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:53,760
And then a second. That seems weak as fuck. Well, I mean, it's kind of true. No. If I make it

1654
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:59,040
then anything I say about you, about anything would count. That's weak. Okay, it has to be,

1655
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:04,160
right? Do you think anything you say about me is equally as attacking to my profession is

1656
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:09,760
making statements about my competency as a political commentary person? No, I think there's levels

1657
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:13,920
of it. But if I was to say that you were dishonest or you lied about something, I think that would

1658
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:18,480
specifically do it. But I think if I said Steve smells like absolute shit, like I don't think

1659
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:22,320
around this guy. I don't think so. That wouldn't go. Okay. Well, I say Steve is the most racist

1660
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:26,880
motherfucker I've ever met. He just fucking can't stand people. That might be like courts have

1661
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:31,280
specifically said that calling people racist is not per se defamation. Well, when their job is

1662
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:36,720
being a newscaster political commentator. Well, now we're getting very specific. I'm sure their

1663
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:41,040
job would not like them and probably fire them if they were racist. Well, but it doesn't speak to

1664
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:47,200
their trade or their profession or whatever. Right? True. And then they make a second argument

1665
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:50,160
independently and in the alternative the statements that are mandatory per se because they impute

1666
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:54,400
conduct involving moral turpitude or turpitude by falsely accusing Mr. Piper of calling for the

1667
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:58,720
lynching of Black voters. Mr. Jennings portrayed him as advocating lethal racial violence conduct

1668
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:02,880
so inherently reprehensible that the accusation tends to expose Mr. Piper to public hatred,

1669
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:07,360
contempt, and disgrace. So those are the two per se deferement arguments are making.

1670
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:12,560
And other proven things per se. Well, no, they don't have to prove damages. It just gets around

1671
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:18,640
the damages part. Well, and that they have two other claims in the alternative that's not per se.

1672
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:27,040
But as far as the per se arguments, I think these are, I think the per se aspect of it might

1673
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:30,880
actually be the harder question rather than the malice aspect of it, which is kind of funny because

1674
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:36,560
it's usually usually the other way around. You're using the malice that's harder. And so it's like

1675
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:41,040
hear the the issue being that whenever you're talking, so what you're talking about, the first

1676
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:45,600
one that you talked about there is, some places I think it actually is codified like this, but it's

1677
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:51,200
usually colloquially referred to as business disparagement, where it's like, if you if the

1678
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:56,160
disparagement needs to be made such that you're saying that you're a carpenter, and I say this

1679
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:59,280
guy's a piece of shit, he fucked my wife, then it's whatever. But if I say this guy's a piece of

1680
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:03,200
shit, he doesn't even know how to build a bookshelf. And I know how to build bookshelf. You're damaging

1681
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:10,000
my business directly. This is my trade. Yeah. Yeah. And so like, this would be where that

1682
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,600
political speech discussion we were to talk about earlier really does kind of come in where it's

1683
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:19,680
like, well, a guy that thinks lynchings should come back can do this job. I mean, Gavin making

1684
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:24,640
it is out there, right? Sure. So I guess it does actually pose an interesting question that I'll

1685
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:29,280
call it interesting now, but I wouldn't with Dan because fuck Dan, but why are you disliking my

1686
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:33,360
good ass fucking friends, bro? Well, because actually I'm thinking now what a piece got brought up and

1687
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:38,400
then a lawyer emailed me this thing that basically, do you remember how a piece got brought this

1688
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:43,360
thing up with a son where if you ask him any question coming through security, this counts as like

1689
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,640
viewpoint discrimination, because it's going to be political. And it's like, well, hold on,

1690
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:50,080
his job is political. So every single question you ask going to be this way. And I don't have

1691
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,880
a court wrote this or if it was in school, law school, whatever this guy mentioned it, but he

1692
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:57,520
said that like, like the the analogy that that comes up or some court case, it comes up is like,

1693
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:00,720
let's say that you wanted to go commit crimes or you just want to drive like a fucking lunatic,

1694
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,760
if you just go ahead and slap a whole bunch of political bumper stickers on the back of your car,

1695
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:07,120
are you now safe from all forms of being pulled over by cops? Because you can always claim that

1696
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:11,360
there's like a political bend to what they did because like, and it's kind of a goofy thing. But

1697
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:16,960
the question for the politics stuff is like, you know, Dan over exaggerating when you say anything,

1698
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,600
but there's a lot of things you could attack somebody on that theoretically, or these all

1699
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:23,920
per se, defamatory things, maybe because any of the columns are questioning them.

1700
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:30,480
Yeah, but I think also we need to, we need to step back from this kind of natural place that a

1701
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:35,280
lot of people go with this where we are trying to craft a general or universal rule. Yeah,

1702
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:39,600
that is not where we're at right now, right? I think we like it is extremely important to

1703
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:46,160
take in all the context here. I think it's fair to also say, hey, Hassan's brand is in a kind of

1704
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:51,200
leftist progressive space in which it's important that he does not think that lynchings are good.

1705
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:56,000
There is no leftist that is going to exist in this space that thinks lynching Black people in

1706
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,840
America is good that it's going to be successful, right? Like,

1707
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,720
We can meme about it, all that stuff.

1708
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:03,200
That's probably true.

1709
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,800
So how much is the core going to care about that, though?

1710
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:07,920
How much is that going to actually really factor in here?

1711
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:08,800
Or we're good in jury.

1712
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:09,880
This might be a jury question.

1713
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:10,720
- Sure.

1714
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:11,560
- Right.

1715
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:14,920
And so I think there's, that I think is,

1716
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:16,080
there's an argument to be made

1717
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,240
that it let's it survive pleadings.

1718
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:20,640
And then I think that as far as the second one

1719
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,600
with the moral turpitude, that one's really tough

1720
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,680
because like I would actually say this,

1721
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:29,800
the only, the one thing that would save it for Hassan

1722
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:33,800
is that since lynchings are a form of racial violence,

1723
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,240
like they talk about there,

1724
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:38,600
it might push itself over the edge.

1725
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:39,920
It's not a direct call for it,

1726
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:41,800
and it's not something where it's like,

1727
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:45,120
he's like saying specific black people should die.

1728
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:45,960
- Right.

1729
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:46,800
- Yeah.

1730
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,280
- But I mean, it's like, it is a,

1731
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:52,680
it is probably the worst version of racism

1732
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,040
you can talk about in America to say

1733
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:55,880
that you want to lynch them.

1734
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:58,760
But I don't, it's like that.

1735
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:00,880
And lynching black people, lynching black people

1736
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:01,720
too.

1737
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:05,360
- Yeah, but I think, I don't know.

1738
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:06,440
I feel like if someone was like,

1739
01:51:06,440 --> 01:51:09,800
if someone said like, I think this person wants to commit

1740
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:13,120
a Holocaust against all Jews, like.

1741
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,880
- Well, Steve is a big, I think doesn't matter.

1742
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,440
So you know, he's a, I think there's no value.

1743
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:20,200
- Wait a second, hold on, just to be clear,

1744
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:21,040
hold on, just to be clear,

1745
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:22,080
'cause Dan was totally wrong on this.

1746
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:23,680
When I say I think doesn't matter,

1747
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:25,880
what I mean is Dan was making an argument at some point

1748
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:27,720
that as long as you put, I think before a thing,

1749
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:29,800
it's always your opinion, therefore you can say

1750
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:30,640
whatever the fuck you want.

1751
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:33,120
And I said, no, basically every statement you make

1752
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:34,960
has an I think before it, because they're your thoughts

1753
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,480
obviously, saying that I think doesn't save you

1754
01:51:37,480 --> 01:51:39,880
for making a statement of fact as per how defamation

1755
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:41,840
is considered, fuck you.

1756
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:42,680
- Fuck you.

1757
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:46,760
Listen, Kafka, in this case, like everything I'm looking at

1758
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:49,000
in granted, it's quad and codecs.

1759
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:50,840
All of them are just saying that this wouldn't,

1760
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:54,520
that any racism at all is just completely cut out.

1761
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:55,800
And that this wouldn't survive.

1762
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:57,760
Like it is defamation, but it's absolutely not

1763
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:58,800
per se defamation.

1764
01:51:59,960 --> 01:52:04,040
- I think that there's, I would normally agree with that.

1765
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:07,720
I think in this case, it is, again, we're getting,

1766
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:09,240
this is, I think this is a very fine line

1767
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:13,040
where I would not venture, I guess, for the final result.

1768
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:14,680
I think that a judge would look at this

1769
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,880
and probably not throw it out as far as like the per se

1770
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:18,720
stuff.

1771
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:21,000
I think a judge would say, let's go ahead

1772
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,520
and do some discovery, let's move along in this case

1773
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:24,840
and see what we can find.

1774
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,040
And then we're gonna, we're gonna make a decision.

1775
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:27,960
Maybe I didn't miss Jay.

1776
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:29,720
I think that is a much more likely scenario.

1777
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:31,760
- Oh yeah, it's definitely defamatory, just not a person.

1778
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:33,240
- I feel like another thing that people,

1779
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:35,160
- But you can throw out the per se stuff

1780
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:36,240
before you get to discovery.

1781
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:39,040
You can do emotions miss on the per se aspects.

1782
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:39,880
That's what I'm saying.

1783
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:41,320
- Or the judge will survive.

1784
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:42,520
- I think a lot of people don't realize this,

1785
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,160
but when you're making normal arguments in real life,

1786
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:46,160
you just pick arguments that you know are working

1787
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:47,760
and are strong and that's all you argue.

1788
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,040
But in a legal setting, you can make eight different

1789
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:52,200
arguments for a thing and the judge can shoot down

1790
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,720
one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, but we granted

1791
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:58,000
a whole based on eight and now that's like the thing you need.

1792
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:59,560
So like, if you're filing a lawsuit

1793
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:01,320
and you feel like there might be a defamatory argument,

1794
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:02,480
you might as well throw the arguments in

1795
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:04,400
'cause unless you're being incredibly honest or whatever,

1796
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:05,240
you're gonna make those changes.

1797
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:06,280
So just 'cause the lawyer throws it in there,

1798
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,160
it doesn't mean that like the theory of the case rests

1799
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:10,080
on this per se argumentation will fall apart without it.

1800
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:11,320
It's just like, why not fucking throw it in?

1801
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:13,360
'Cause if it goes through, then you're good.

1802
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:15,520
And if it doesn't, it doesn't necessarily make it

1803
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:16,520
so that it doesn't survive pleadings

1804
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:18,600
or anything as well, right?

1805
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:23,600
- Yeah, so I would say that the other aspect of it too

1806
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:30,160
is like, it's very clear that the reason that Jennings

1807
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,800
made that statement about the lynching in black people

1808
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:37,640
was to specifically harm his reputation

1809
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:42,640
with black people itself in order to have

1810
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:43,640
his own personal gain, right?

1811
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:46,000
So it's like, it's kind of a thing where like,

1812
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,720
I wouldn't say this is like a specific legal argument.

1813
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:50,200
This is a very persuasive argument I would make

1814
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,680
to a judge of saying like, you know, he's, yes,

1815
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:56,720
it is about racism and maybe racism itself isn't per se,

1816
01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:59,560
but like, we can show the intent and malice

1817
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:03,000
of him doing this for personal gain, all right?

1818
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,360
And if there was a, like he's using this

1819
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,000
because it is the most flamatory,

1820
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,440
I can't think of a way to make it more inflammatory

1821
01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:12,080
towards black people to hurt your reputation.

1822
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:13,640
I would challenge a person to try to come up

1823
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:16,160
with a more inflammatory and defamatory state.

1824
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:17,000
- Oh.

1825
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:17,840
- Than that.

1826
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:18,680
- That's a challenge.

1827
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:19,960
- Pop off, let's go.

1828
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:20,800
- Yeah.

1829
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:21,640
- Let's go.

1830
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:24,080
- Right now, polymarket vet, can you, yeah.

1831
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:25,720
But it's just, you see what I'm saying.

1832
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:30,720
We're just like, I think that he, he failed to defame,

1833
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:33,720
per se, defame a defame his son, piker.

1834
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:34,880
It wasn't for a lack of trying.

1835
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:36,680
It was just because maybe the standard

1836
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:37,720
is such that it won't let him.

1837
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:38,560
So it's like, I--

1838
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,800
- Although it's also, this is a really weird legal precedent

1839
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,160
just from a very overhead macro perspective,

1840
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:45,960
because in most professions,

1841
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:48,720
you're not usually trying to like,

1842
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:50,400
well, personally defame people.

1843
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:51,280
I mean, I guess maybe kind of,

1844
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:52,520
when you say the competition can't hack it,

1845
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:53,720
but like when you're doing a legal,

1846
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:55,680
or I'm sorry, when you're doing political commentary,

1847
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:57,320
kind of every single attack is against like

1848
01:54:57,320 --> 01:54:58,840
the trade craft of other people, right?

1849
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:00,120
This guy's a liar.

1850
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,040
this guy is fake news, this guy actually hates these voters, he hates black people, he hates the

1851
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:09,120
lowly educated, like, so that kind of is like part and parcel with a lot of political commentary,

1852
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:14,000
I don't know how much any of this will factor in but... Sorry, I was sneezing.

1853
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:14,480
Yeah, fuck you.

1854
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,880
Sorry. Yeah, but I feel like a lot of the commentary we do in the political space,

1855
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:24,880
it's like intentionally designed to go towards, like, yeah, I am undermining this guy's credibility

1856
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:28,400
and trying to damage his tradecraft. I think he's a believer that he spreads his information.

1857
01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:32,080
That's what I was kind of getting to earlier about the like the shock-jock thing where it's like,

1858
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:38,080
okay, well, like, Jenning's position and what he's doing will also be context here, right?

1859
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:41,280
We're going to look at that, like what he's saying in context and say like, okay, well,

1860
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:45,680
why did he say that, right? And then, and what was in service to, which is a big reason why they

1861
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:50,080
talked so much about Jenning's very clearly doing all of this to try to curry favor with Donald Trump,

1862
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:56,160
right? It's saying like, here is, it's not just, this is a common thing in his business to come out

1863
01:55:56,160 --> 01:56:01,360
and defame people and make shit up about him. He specifically did this for this one reason

1864
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:05,760
for his own gain to get with this political thing. And also, whenever we're talking about trade

1865
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:09,040
and personal gain and things like that, it doesn't have to be monetary, right? We don't have to just

1866
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:13,840
say, oh, well, you know, Jenning's made $50 million off of this broadcast, so there's a there's a

1867
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:17,760
personal gain, right? Like him trying. The more you bring this stuff up, though, the more I wonder

1868
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:22,320
if this helps or hurts, because it's like all political commentary is designed to do this,

1869
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:26,400
is to curry favor with somebody to call into question somebody's credibility or not all of it,

1870
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:31,200
but a lot of it in these spaces are. And I wonder if making it more political hurts, because I feel

1871
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:35,280
like I feel like there are throwing in political things is just feels like a really good thing for

1872
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:40,720
defense and a really rough thing for for plaintiff, because it's like you're really asking them to

1873
01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:45,120
wade into a very political territory and make a decision about whether or not we should be

1874
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:51,120
allowed to make these statements or not, you know, I mean, two things on that. I don't think I think

1875
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:57,680
that there is a reasonable argument to make as far as saying like the statements about Hassan

1876
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:04,480
Piker were not of a political nature. Saying that Hassan really wants to come back and be I think

1877
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:08,400
that that is a that is something that's outside the bounds of political statement. I think that is a

1878
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:15,760
like, and then on the on the back of that too, even if it is, I don't think we want a system and a

1879
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:20,880
court in which it protects people making such defamatory statements from our political sphere.

1880
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:25,600
I don't think that our court system is such that we should have it defend people that makes

1881
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:29,840
political statements of that caliber. And they should be protected from their defamatory statements,

1882
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:33,440
because what you're saying, you're not saying it's not defamatory, you're saying it's defamatory,

1883
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:38,640
but we shouldn't allow it because of these other reasons. I think the balance of equities

1884
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:42,320
would go against that. I don't I don't think we should have a court system that protects them.

1885
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:48,480
Can we call them a Nazi? I think I think I I think I kind of agree with you. So I'm not necessarily

1886
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:52,000
giving my like, this isn't like my opinion, like this is how I hope the role. I'm just saying that

1887
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:56,080
it feels like there's a really, really, really high bar for when it comes to political speech,

1888
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:59,920
because keep in mind, you're saying that like, I don't believe that this is what we should want

1889
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:04,560
as political speeches protected in the United States. But like, this is the same institution that

1890
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:10,320
gave us citizens united that like, and like the First Amendment protections were so high that

1891
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:15,520
whatever you have to say about Hassan and defamation and Scott Jennings, that's a case that completely

1892
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:20,960
transformed our entire landscape. And that was all based off of the idea of like a very light,

1893
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:25,440
well, not light, but like some engagement with freedom of speech, you know, I know where you're

1894
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:29,840
going to go in political speech. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I don't want to, I feel like this is kind

1895
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:34,880
of a cop out. I don't want to know. And I want to do it. You're talking about some of this

1896
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:40,880
defining speech. And even if something's defined as speech doesn't doesn't remove checks and ways

1897
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:45,680
to restrict it, we're talking about restricting speech. We're saying, yes, we should have protected

1898
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:48,960
political speech, but they're just because there should be protected political speech. There is a

1899
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:54,560
balance that needs to be observed. I mean, you understand, is this something? Yeah, or

1900
01:58:54,560 --> 01:59:01,920
calling you keep arguing that point. I agree with you. I'm the guy who's saying constantly that I

1901
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:06,880
think we should have more balances on just fucking blatant lies. I agree with you. It just, it feels

1902
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:12,720
to me like the federal courts have taken an incredibly agnostic or like not touched anything

1903
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:16,400
related to political speech. Like they can, it's a fucking free for all in the worst possible ways

1904
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:23,920
what it feels like. I, I agree with you. And I think I would hope, you know, regardless of

1905
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:28,640
anything else we've talked about, I would actually be very happy if this case turned out to have

1906
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:34,160
be some kind of precedent. All right. Not that this is too far. I would be really happy to see

1907
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:37,520
something with that come out of this, no matter what externalities come with it.

1908
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:44,720
But I think the, I think the, you know, I agree with you. And this is something where like, I think,

1909
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:49,760
even if you're right, this is truly testing the limits and that, and that if, if something like

1910
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:52,800
this happens, then I am going to start coming over to the side of like, all right, I guess

1911
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:59,840
anything on the table. Like if you can say this, this is, this is a wild thing to happen. I mean, like,

1912
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,040
Even where people are like trying to compare

1913
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:05,880
what Hassan does to other people,

1914
02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:10,200
I would say this is even a step beyond that in some ways.

1915
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:11,040
- No.

1916
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:12,200
- It's just, I would.

1917
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:13,040
- I would, I would.

1918
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,280
- I have to stop right there.

1919
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:16,100
- Hassan, I'm insane.

1920
02:00:16,100 --> 02:00:17,660
- Maybe you haven't seen how this guy defames people.

1921
02:00:17,660 --> 02:00:19,200
Maybe you haven't seen how this guy's people.

1922
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:21,640
- I think it's fine for you if you say Hassan's done it more.

1923
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:23,000
I think it's fine if you say they're insane.

1924
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:23,840
- He's done worse.

1925
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:27,560
- So, I don't know does it more in a way that's very,

1926
02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:29,840
Hassan doesn't more in worse ways,

1927
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:33,280
but in ways that are clearly making legal carve out exceptions

1928
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:34,960
is the way that he does it, basically.

1929
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:36,120
- I would agree that.

1930
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:37,640
I think there's, I think there's,

1931
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:39,680
I'm just saying like as far as like a singular

1932
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:43,400
defamatory action, they might be out there.

1933
02:00:43,400 --> 02:00:44,720
I don't watch a lot of Hassan's lot.

1934
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:46,040
It might be out there that Hassan's done something

1935
02:00:46,040 --> 02:00:47,160
as bad as this.

1936
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:49,240
Even the stuff that I've seen people trying to pull out

1937
02:00:49,240 --> 02:00:50,460
is like, I don't know.

1938
02:00:50,460 --> 02:00:52,640
I don't know if I would say that as bad

1939
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:54,840
as what I'm seeing here, what Jennings did.

1940
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:58,280
This is like, man, it's so specific.

1941
02:00:58,280 --> 02:00:59,400
It's so targeted.

1942
02:00:59,400 --> 02:01:02,920
It's so obviously not true.

1943
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:05,200
Based off of the, it's not true,

1944
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:07,400
based off of the material he's using.

1945
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:09,760
It's not, he's creating new material.

1946
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,840
He's taking material that is directly counter

1947
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:17,800
to what he's saying and then using it to defame.

1948
02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:20,600
It's just, it is so, it's, yeah,

1949
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:22,840
I would be very surprised.

1950
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:23,680
- That's business.

1951
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:25,600
- Now, you know, again, it doesn't,

1952
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:27,600
that doesn't clear Hassan of anything

1953
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:29,560
does it make him what he does, okay.

1954
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:31,220
It's just like, holy shit.

1955
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:36,040
So, yeah, I mean, I think whenever the,

1956
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:41,480
I think whenever we, whenever we see one thing

1957
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:43,840
in the discovery thing that will be interesting

1958
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:48,000
is if there is depositions and how those go,

1959
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:50,800
because this is also, because, well,

1960
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,000
this is like, if Hassan is making it this way,

1961
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:58,000
he's connecting it to the AES campaign,

1962
02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:00,760
the Abdul Al-Sayed campaign,

1963
02:02:00,760 --> 02:02:04,240
because this all happened around whenever Abdul

1964
02:02:04,240 --> 02:02:06,120
was, these polls were coming out that he was

1965
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:07,160
doing great with black voters.

1966
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:09,320
And he was trying to make these concessions to black voters.

1967
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:11,640
And this came out and it's like,

1968
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:14,640
what this might have been one of the things

1969
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:18,760
that caused Abdul Al-Sayed to ask Hassan to back off

1970
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:20,760
and that kind of thing like that.

1971
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:23,560
So it's like, man, if that's true,

1972
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:26,240
if this specifically was part of that,

1973
02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:29,640
that really is a huge thing in Hassan's favor,

1974
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:31,040
because then it's like, oh, like,

1975
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:34,640
this destroyed a connection between you

1976
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:37,280
and a fucking, like, senator.

1977
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:40,880
Like, I don't know what a better way to show

1978
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:44,120
a disrupt, like, an interference

1979
02:02:44,120 --> 02:02:46,000
with like a business relationship than that.

1980
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,360
Like, that's fucking crazy to me.

1981
02:02:48,360 --> 02:02:51,640
So I'm interested to see how much that connection is there

1982
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:54,560
and whether or not people from Al-Sayed's campaign

1983
02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:56,440
might be subpoenaed over it.

1984
02:02:58,840 --> 02:03:00,280
And Dan, I truly am.

1985
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:01,120
I mean it.

1986
02:03:01,120 --> 02:03:03,880
I'm very sorry that I can't come in here

1987
02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:06,520
and be mean about Hassan as much as you want me to.

1988
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:09,200
- Why would you have to do that?

1989
02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:10,040
- You know, why are you snuckin' 'em like that?

1990
02:03:10,040 --> 02:03:11,480
- Yeah, I don't know why this is happening.

1991
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:12,320
- I don't know why you're just snuckin',

1992
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:14,200
I'm like, I don't know where.

1993
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:15,560
- Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

1994
02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:17,520
You know, Destiny, I'll just be more like you

1995
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:18,880
whenever I talk to Dan.

1996
02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:19,720
- Thank you.

1997
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:20,720
- Also, perspective.

1998
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:22,560
- I feel like it's a very real point.

1999
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:24,720
Like, regardless if it's defamation or not,

2000
02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:27,120
it being per se is, I think, as you admit,

2001
02:03:27,120 --> 02:03:29,880
very much unclear, certainly not solid.

2002
02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:30,720
- Yeah.

2003
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:35,000
I think it's unclear, but I think that,

2004
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:36,480
I'll say this, it's unclear,

2005
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:39,360
but that's better than 99% of defamation cases

2006
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:40,400
that get brought.

2007
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,000
- That's cool, 99% of everything that's brought

2008
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:43,640
is retarded, so.

2009
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:44,480
- Okay, that part.

2010
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:46,680
- Yeah, that was the statement that I was making, Destiny.

2011
02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:47,800
Yeah, well, I'm just pointing out

2012
02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:49,240
that it was pointless that you made the statement

2013
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:52,120
with the level of specificity that wasn't required, but.

2014
02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:53,120
- Okay, all right.

2015
02:03:53,120 --> 02:03:54,280
All right, motor mouth.

2016
02:03:54,280 --> 02:03:56,480
- All right, really, motor mouth.

2017
02:03:56,480 --> 02:03:59,800
- I mean, I guess it is a question of what would or would not

2018
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:01,520
fall under per se defamation.

2019
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:02,360
- Don't ask him.

2020
02:04:02,360 --> 02:04:03,840
He ran out of tokens for Lexus AI,

2021
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:05,520
so he doesn't know how to answer any of your questions now,

2022
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:07,480
and that's why he's repeating himself over and over again.

2023
02:04:07,480 --> 02:04:08,320
- True, true, true.

2024
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:10,840
- Because it's obvious, like, if he can show,

2025
02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:12,000
he said in his own statement

2026
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,280
that he's doing better than ever, that he's,

2027
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:15,840
you know what, Destiny, it was really funny earlier

2028
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:16,880
when he was making jokes and shit,

2029
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:18,520
but when you say stuff like that, all right?

2030
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:19,360
- Yeah.

2031
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:20,520
- Give me a second.

2032
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:22,120
I'm paying for more tokens right now.

2033
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:23,200
It's just, you don't need to go for it.

2034
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:24,040
- Why did you come down again?

2035
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:24,880
You just snarked in again.

2036
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:25,720
Dan was in the middle of making a point,

2037
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:26,560
and then you'd come off for no reason.

2038
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:28,280
- I feel like there was some memo that went out,

2039
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:29,120
and everyone's like, okay,

2040
02:04:29,120 --> 02:04:31,520
today we're just gonna troll Dan, okay?

2041
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:32,360
- I'm not.

2042
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:33,200
- I don't like that part.

2043
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:34,040
- I'm defending.

2044
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:36,480
I defended Dan, right?

2045
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:37,320
- I'm dancing more.

2046
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:38,160
- I'm sorry, Dan.

2047
02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:39,000
Dan, I did dinner after you.

2048
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:40,240
I'm sorry.

2049
02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:48,240
- Yeah, and you're very long-winded also, have you know?

2050
02:04:48,240 --> 02:04:49,800
- Yeah, after interrupting.

2051
02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:54,400
Basically, you're like the Norm Finkelstein of whatever this is, Discord.

2052
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:55,840
- Listen up, babes.

2053
02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:56,840
- Okay.

2054
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:58,840
So the question is, Hassan is a streamer, right?

2055
02:04:58,840 --> 02:04:59,880
And he can obviously make money.

2056
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,000
continuing to be racist, if he is.

2057
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:07,560
But would you say that me being like,

2058
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:08,600
Hassan Piker is racist?

2059
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:10,160
That's obvious, he's anti-Semitic.

2060
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:11,440
That is clear as fucking day.

2061
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:13,840
I don't know how you can possibly think he's not anti-Semitic.

2062
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:16,500
Look at how he's called these Jews in bread.

2063
02:05:16,500 --> 02:05:17,960
I mean, there's like a thousand things to say.

2064
02:05:17,960 --> 02:05:19,400
- Anti-Semitic is like, that's an opinion.

2065
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:21,080
I think you can have that opinion.

2066
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:21,920
- Okay.

2067
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:24,440
- These are what I get, this is all that definition.

2068
02:05:24,440 --> 02:05:28,020
- Okay, so he said this.

2069
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:33,960
So, it is interesting, if I say Kafka said

2070
02:05:35,580 --> 02:05:39,240
that he wants to kill all Native Americans.

2071
02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:40,080
He said that.

2072
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:40,920
- Oh, okay.

2073
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:41,760
- Super fucked up.

2074
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:45,000
First off, let's assume that you never said that.

2075
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:47,360
Technically, those words may have left your mouth.

2076
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:49,840
- Okay, I'll try to assume that.

2077
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:50,680
Go ahead.

2078
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:52,840
- Okay, so let's assume you've never said that

2079
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:56,240
as opposed to saying, like quoting someone and saying it.

2080
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:58,680
So first off, we can say it's out of context,

2081
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:00,680
but, or it can just be a complete lie.

2082
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:04,080
But even if it's a lie, if you are a public person,

2083
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:07,120
I'm just trying to understand the bar

2084
02:06:07,120 --> 02:06:08,720
of how something reaches the per se,

2085
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:10,200
if it doesn't fall into.

2086
02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:13,640
I'm not saying that you cheated on a client's work

2087
02:06:13,640 --> 02:06:14,760
as being an attorney.

2088
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:17,400
I'm just saying that you hate Native Americans

2089
02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:18,640
and that you want them to die,

2090
02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:20,600
which doesn't specifically have to do with your job.

2091
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:23,080
And I think that if we allow something that would be like,

2092
02:06:23,080 --> 02:06:24,560
"Well, clients aren't gonna want to be a rounder guy

2093
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:26,960
"that eats dog shit all day, obviously."

2094
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:29,240
- Or someone that hates Native Americans.

2095
02:06:29,240 --> 02:06:31,240
- All my clients were Native Americans.

2096
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:32,600
- Okay, sure.

2097
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:35,120
- And you know that and you want to take away my business.

2098
02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:37,360
- Yeah, but that's okay, that's not the case, obviously.

2099
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:38,760
That's why you use Native Americans here.

2100
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:39,840
- Well, I'm just saying in that,

2101
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:41,160
you're saying that it wouldn't work that way.

2102
02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:43,080
I'm saying here's a context in which it could work that way.

2103
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:44,800
- Okay, I'm saying in the context we have right now.

2104
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:48,280
So if I was to say just on the one assumption

2105
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:50,000
that you're a public person, okay?

2106
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:51,080
- Okay.

2107
02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:52,680
- So you're a streamer, you're a public person, blah, blah,

2108
02:06:52,680 --> 02:06:54,120
and that's uncontested.

2109
02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:58,000
If that was the case, if I was to say, "Listen, Kafka,

2110
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:01,120
"all the time talks about killing Native American people.

2111
02:07:01,120 --> 02:07:03,240
"I don't know why it makes me super uncomfortable."

2112
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:05,720
He obviously is like insanely racist.

2113
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:07,720
He constantly talks about how we need to bring back

2114
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:12,720
the, what was the thing with the blanket smallpox?

2115
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:15,280
He just hates them.

2116
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:17,000
I don't know why, it's very weird.

2117
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:19,400
Would that be in your mind, per se, defamation?

2118
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:24,040
And keep in mind I'm lying here as well.

2119
02:07:24,040 --> 02:07:26,480
- I'm lying when you're speaking to a state of mind.

2120
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,400
- Well, if you say like he hates it.

2121
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:30,480
- I'm saying he said this, I'm saying,

2122
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:32,040
no, I'm saying he said this to me all the time.

2123
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:33,280
Like he talks about all the time

2124
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:34,640
how he hates Native Americans.

2125
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:37,760
He just hates them, like constantly he says that.

2126
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:40,720
He even said one time I hate Native Americans

2127
02:07:40,720 --> 02:07:42,200
and want them to die.

2128
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:44,240
- Well, that would be not good.

2129
02:07:44,240 --> 02:07:46,160
- I'm not gonna carve out exceptions,

2130
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:48,200
but I would say that there I would,

2131
02:07:48,200 --> 02:07:51,100
I wouldn't necessarily say that was per se defamation.

2132
02:07:52,080 --> 02:07:55,640
See, that's a part that I'm getting confused at

2133
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:58,280
because like even in this case, I'm just lying, right?

2134
02:07:58,280 --> 02:07:59,120
That you've never said that.

2135
02:07:59,120 --> 02:08:02,040
I think it would be even worse if in the past

2136
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:03,120
you were quoting someone and said it

2137
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:03,960
'cause at least then I can be like,

2138
02:08:03,960 --> 02:08:05,860
well technically it did say it, I didn't lie.

2139
02:08:05,860 --> 02:08:08,320
So truth, absolute defense.

2140
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:11,060
Maybe I hyperplized, but he does this all the time.

2141
02:08:11,060 --> 02:08:13,880
So you don't think that's per se defamation for me to say

2142
02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:17,880
that you have said that you want to kill all Native Americans

2143
02:08:17,880 --> 02:08:19,600
and you wanna bring back smallpox for that purpose.

2144
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:20,440
- When you say per se,

2145
02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:22,860
per se just has to do with the damages part, right?

2146
02:08:22,860 --> 02:08:25,520
- No, that's what you need to successfully do

2147
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:27,680
any defamation on a public figure.

2148
02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:29,280
Per se, you need that.

2149
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:31,160
There is no defamation without per se--

2150
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:32,440
- You think it may be malice.

2151
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:34,000
- Yeah, you think it may be actual malice,

2152
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:36,680
but per quarter per se just has to do with the damages part,

2153
02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:38,800
not the-- - Well, sure.

2154
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:41,280
- Well, I mean, I can say for instance that like,

2155
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:46,040
I can say like, what's a good one here?

2156
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:51,120
I don't, like I could say something extreme about you

2157
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:52,960
'cause you're a public figure and you would have no recourse.

2158
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:54,640
You can't be like, you defamed me.

2159
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:56,480
I can't defame you like that, right?

2160
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:59,640
It has to cross into one of these fields.

2161
02:08:59,640 --> 02:09:02,560
- Right, no, no, no, it has to do with whether or not,

2162
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:05,200
whether you knowingly made a statement of effect

2163
02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:06,040
or whether you made a statement of effect

2164
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:07,920
that wasn't correct or then the other elements.

2165
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:09,200
The part, the actual malice standard,

2166
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:11,920
is if I have to prove that you did it knowingly

2167
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:13,920
and I think with the intention to damage,

2168
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,280
I think it's those two or might just be the part

2169
02:09:16,280 --> 02:09:17,120
to show that you acted with allies.

2170
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:19,560
- For instance, but it's not about this claim you made.

2171
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:21,000
The claim does not be super extreme

2172
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:22,120
or the stimulus have to be super extreme.

2173
02:09:22,120 --> 02:09:23,920
Why are you doing that?

2174
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:25,240
Sorry about it.

2175
02:09:25,240 --> 02:09:27,480
- Yeah, like as an example, it'd be like,

2176
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:29,840
I could say pretty much without concern right now,

2177
02:09:30,760 --> 02:09:33,920
Bill Gates personally oversaw the 5G development

2178
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:35,960
so that he can actually,

2179
02:09:37,240 --> 02:09:38,680
he has this weird sex cult thing

2180
02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:41,760
and I think he just genuinely wants to enslave us.

2181
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:43,040
Not enough people are talking about it.

2182
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:44,280
I have actually seen some evidence.

2183
02:09:44,280 --> 02:09:46,240
It's very compelling.

2184
02:09:46,240 --> 02:09:47,760
You guys need to be on the lookout,

2185
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:50,160
but you can say that without worry right now, right?

2186
02:09:50,160 --> 02:09:51,120
Complete worry.

2187
02:09:51,120 --> 02:09:54,840
I'm talking about the fact that he wants to kill us all.

2188
02:09:54,840 --> 02:09:56,120
He's racist as fuck, by the way.

2189
02:09:56,120 --> 02:09:57,840
He hates Jews, the 5G shit.

2190
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:00,000
- You're giving lots of these things her all like.

2191
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:03,040
opinions like he's racist like he wants to do this thing or whatever these are

2192
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:06,420
like you're oh no no he was directly involved with the creation of the 5g

2193
02:10:06,420 --> 02:10:11,220
okay yeah but then again these are opinions no I'm saying he was directly

2194
02:10:11,220 --> 02:10:13,680
involved yeah but it's your opinion that he was involved for like a reason you're

2195
02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:17,400
guessing in a motivation you're not like saying he said this thing that he he

2196
02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:21,280
stated I heard Bill Gates say I want to kill all Jews with 5g that would be like

2197
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:23,720
a statement of fact that somebody could take good court over is like I did not

2198
02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:27,160
say that but you can give the opinion of like he only worked with the 5g shit

2199
02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:29,880
because he wants to kill all the Jews and I can tell by how Windows is anti

2200
02:10:29,880 --> 02:10:35,680
Jewish and blah blah blah but these are all opinions it's not really yeah I

2201
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:41,480
mean it's like Dan to help you with this it maybe it's more of a kind of like you

2202
02:10:41,480 --> 02:10:48,760
sat down with Bill Gates's closest investors and then said similar things to

2203
02:10:48,760 --> 02:10:52,720
what you just said as far as like Bill Gates you know only develop Microsoft so

2204
02:10:52,720 --> 02:10:58,000
you could use it to eliminate non-white races from the earth right like there

2205
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:02,920
right you know we can we don't need to approach per se we can just talk about

2206
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:06,000
malice well and that one it's pretty hard to say that that was done without

2207
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:11,280
malice because like like that's obviously not true and like let's say

2208
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:15,520
you know that it's not true for some reason and you still say that right well

2209
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:18,480
in that sense you're saying it to people with the intent to try to like get them

2210
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:22,080
to stop investing in Bill Gates we lose money and you're saying a lie to them

2211
02:11:22,080 --> 02:11:26,400
so that they'll do that right that would be with malice whether or not it's per se

2212
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:30,800
defamation or not you know that's another question but that that would be god

2213
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:39,320
damn it sorry that would be malice right would you disagree no I think that it

2214
02:11:39,320 --> 02:11:46,320
could be yeah for sure right I do agree on that part it's just I feel like the

2215
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:50,480
public figure thing really makes it difficult even with malice like right

2216
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:57,280
if and also malice is just like willfully not caring about the truth or you know

2217
02:11:57,280 --> 02:12:02,000
that it's not true in doing it anyways like I know that Bill Gates isn't involved

2218
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:07,360
with 5g shit I know that but I can also say he he is I have proof that he is and

2219
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:12,800
he's going to do it in a slave us all but you did better there you did

2220
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:15,760
better there because you said I have proof that they can do it which means

2221
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:19,840
that you're saying that like there's some unknown to the public proof that you

2222
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:24,320
have and you're basing your defamitor statement on that proof that you're

2223
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:29,320
not revealing right there's you're getting closer to per se

2224
02:12:29,320 --> 02:12:36,080
defamation there for sure you're right that it being you know being a public

2225
02:12:36,080 --> 02:12:41,640
figure makes it hard but that's that's intentional the issue but I mean like

2226
02:12:41,640 --> 02:12:45,040
public figures have won I mean Nicki Minaj famously won a very large

2227
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:52,480
lawsuit against a I believe was a podcaster for defamation I think it was

2228
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:59,200
a multi-million dollar suit so so for in this case with Hassan right those

2229
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:02,800
clips he got them somewhere assume that Scott Jennings did not get them

2230
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:06,880
himself I doubt he's like going on Twitter finding wherever these were

2231
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:10,320
created from like some producer probably gave it to me hey look what we found on

2232
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:14,640
Twitter run with us right right so he there's no shot he did it why are you

2233
02:13:14,640 --> 02:13:20,320
coming me I'm talking who could have sent those clips that not teasing you go

2234
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:25,680
ahead no I'm not involved at all I know thank you for feeding into bullshit

2235
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:30,680
with people thinking about the kids now you know why would I be if you're

2236
02:13:30,680 --> 02:13:34,160
fucking snarking in oh my god you're snarking him Kafka okay

2237
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:39,920
so again thank you I'm still talking motherfucker the

2238
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:44,600
requirement for for the actual malice means that he Scott Jennings because he's

2239
02:13:44,600 --> 02:13:48,440
being sued personally not his company as far as I can tell he would have to know

2240
02:13:48,440 --> 02:13:52,360
that this was false or he acted with such indifference

2241
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:58,200
rightlessness yeah yeah that he would be fucked in this case but the thing is

2242
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:02,640
if he didn't know which is very likely as I said before he almost certainly

2243
02:14:02,640 --> 02:14:05,840
didn't put this yeah but it's his name it's his news network it's his

2244
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:10,840
responsibility he should that's like that obligation is for sure gonna oh I

2245
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:14,840
think you could easily I mean it doesn't there's no there's no carve out in here

2246
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:18,040
for like oh well you should have or you know that's what recklessness means is

2247
02:14:18,040 --> 02:14:21,840
you should you how you should have known yeah that you should for every clip

2248
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:26,520
that you should go back and look for context of 30 seconds better news network

2249
02:14:26,520 --> 02:14:30,000
and your brand is selling like news and media and stuff that the stuff you're

2250
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:34,160
running on your news network is true yeah it's not false made-up things it's

2251
02:14:34,160 --> 02:14:40,080
not it's it's it's it's it's also it's a situation where it's like is it what what

2252
02:14:40,080 --> 02:14:47,120
what reasonable argument could he make for not knowing it's not true sorry oh I

2253
02:14:47,120 --> 02:14:52,320
feel like I've seen I've seen dozens of clips of this guy and he's horrendous in

2254
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:56,640
all of them constantly and in all of these clips he's just you know saying

2255
02:14:56,640 --> 02:15:00,000
the worst things and I just I saw this and I thought oh this is another one of

2256
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,760
for sure. Okay. Well, so like if you've seen a hundred things

2257
02:15:06,760 --> 02:15:10,000
about what we're talking about is actually a great example. It's a great example, like

2258
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:15,240
a politician or someone that we've seen like a million bad things about. If you saw then

2259
02:15:15,240 --> 02:15:19,520
something come out one more clip, I don't think that we would say that you're being willfully

2260
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:26,200
insane. If it's something around one of those persons saying something crazy, like yeah,

2261
02:15:26,200 --> 02:15:29,680
I guess that would be that would be the job of a fact checker or some someone was like,

2262
02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:34,720
but the host is the reason why they have fact checkers. I think they are actually correct

2263
02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:42,960
in one sense here. Then you're correct because what could happen here is Jannings could provide

2264
02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:47,040
legitimate reasons why he thought the clip was true, why he thought the statements were

2265
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:51,960
true, and that he provided these things thinking he was actually reporting the truth. And you

2266
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:56,600
would actually get into an area where technically it could be like a form of a slap suit where

2267
02:15:56,600 --> 02:16:00,400
he goes, look, no, like, I have a, here's all of these legitimate things that made me

2268
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:04,600
think these were all true. Even though he sent me that letter, it didn't overcome the evidence

2269
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:08,720
I had that those statements and this clip was true. So I kept it. And this is a matter of

2270
02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:14,480
public concern. This should not, if this is defamatory, you know what, then it was still

2271
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:19,240
a matter of public interest. So I put it out there. That could happen. I think it's unlikely.

2272
02:16:19,240 --> 02:16:24,820
I think the more likely thing is that he took a clip, edited it to produce what he put out

2273
02:16:24,820 --> 02:16:29,920
and then lied about. Do we know if he actually created the clip? No, that was for sure one

2274
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:35,760
of his producers or something. But well, like, it's on his direction. People that are people

2275
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:39,880
either he did it or someone at his direction did it. Well, we don't know that. What about

2276
02:16:39,880 --> 02:16:45,720
if he literally found it on Twitter from someone else? Then that is that is him. I would say

2277
02:16:45,720 --> 02:16:49,520
that's rock business. You're like airing stuff on your news program that you're not fact-checking

2278
02:16:49,520 --> 02:16:56,340
in any way. So I should perform. Yeah. Because also remember, it's he's saying that a statement

2279
02:16:56,340 --> 02:17:01,840
exists within a video that he is in possession of. He's in possession of a video of Hassan

2280
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:06,320
Piker saying things. And he's saying in that video, Hassan Piker says this phrase. And

2281
02:17:06,320 --> 02:17:12,280
that phrase does not exist in the video that he possesses. Right. So it's that's where I'm

2282
02:17:12,280 --> 02:17:16,920
coming from. I'm saying like, he has all of the tools to know what is the contents of

2283
02:17:16,920 --> 02:17:21,600
the video he's talking about. And he got it wrong. And he got it wrong in a way that's

2284
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:26,480
harmful to Hassan Piker. And it seems pretty fucking intentional because it's also to his

2285
02:17:26,480 --> 02:17:31,200
benefit. So it's really hard to say that he wasn't being reckless there because there's

2286
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:36,080
no reason why a person in his position would not watch that video before talking about

2287
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:40,600
it on a news program. I mean, unless he didn't watch the full thing. I mean, yeah, I guess

2288
02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:44,320
maybe. And if he did not watch the full thing, then he is being reckless such that he should

2289
02:17:44,320 --> 02:17:49,040
be held liable for. Well, I guess the question is if you find some place that just reported

2290
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:52,840
on this and didn't have that context, like, so for instance, I sent you a clip right

2291
02:17:52,840 --> 02:17:58,040
here and Hassan multiple times towards Jennings has basically said that he's gay in the closet,

2292
02:17:58,040 --> 02:18:04,080
et cetera. And that he essentially was sucking a guy's dick and Tel Aviv in a bomb shelter

2293
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:08,280
when he was there. And you know, he wasn't the scuffs he got on his knees were for blowing

2294
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:13,720
a guy. So like, Scott Jennings is cool. Well, so we have like a allegation of like, I guess

2295
02:18:13,720 --> 02:18:17,160
infidelity, you could say it's like serious or not serious, but there's multiple clips

2296
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:22,920
over times. So, you know, could Hassan in that case, you're like, Oh, well, you know, it's

2297
02:18:22,920 --> 02:18:27,160
because someone else said that this guy, you know, there was a someone else came on Twitter

2298
02:18:27,160 --> 02:18:30,040
and said, Hey, this guy was gay a long time ago for sure.

2299
02:18:30,040 --> 02:18:32,360
No, I think for that people would be people aren't not going to view this statement as

2300
02:18:32,360 --> 02:18:37,000
a serious allegation of like closet homosexuality. Like, if I were to go out and be like, this

2301
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:39,720
guy sucks off trouble all the time. So it's like, you accuse me of getting Trump a blow

2302
02:18:39,720 --> 02:18:44,280
job. Like nobody is viewing it that way. I don't think anybody would see it that way.

2303
02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:52,200
I put the clip in chat. If you want to watch it, watch it for Steve. God Jenny, I can't

2304
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:57,600
deal with Scott Jenny, Nazi scumbag. Scott Jennings deserves the chair. Oh, dude, don't

2305
02:18:57,600 --> 02:19:01,920
you just wait, listen, hold on, give me your listening. Yeah, 40 seconds. I can't deal

2306
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:06,400
with Scott Jennings, Nazi scumbag. Scott Jennings deserves the chair. Oh, dude, don't even

2307
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:11,040
get me started on Scott Jennings and what he deserves. Okay, Scott Jennings. Oh my Lord,

2308
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:14,720
taking over from he's taken over the mantle from Scott Jennings, who I guess I came back

2309
02:19:14,720 --> 02:19:18,360
from his dick sucking festival at Tel Aviv when he was stuck in a bomb shelter on his

2310
02:19:18,360 --> 02:19:23,920
knees. The psychopathic rabbit evangelical Zionist Scott Jennings CNN political commentator

2311
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:28,320
Scott Jennings posted. Yeah, you know a lot about costumes. Yeah. He's been in and out

2312
02:19:28,320 --> 02:19:33,880
of closets many times, Scotty media network that Scott, what's his face the in the closet

2313
02:19:33,880 --> 02:19:39,000
gay guy on CNN? I think forgetting his name now, Scott Jenny, thank you. Yeah, even gets

2314
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:43,400
close is that one bar, where he just says it like who the in the closet gay guy Scott

2315
02:19:43,400 --> 02:19:47,880
Jennings. I think that was the closest one. Otherwise, the cost you want this, he's

2316
02:19:47,880 --> 02:19:52,520
absolutely heavily implying the costing ones. That sounds like it's saying, yeah, he's

2317
02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:56,680
what he's like a kind of like the, like a beard or you're like, you know, in disguise,

2318
02:19:56,680 --> 02:20:00,000
you're not your, I understand what he's saying. I don't think it's got a mention.

2319
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:05,060
Um, I think that him saying the guy that is in the closet. Yeah, sure. That's okay. Is it a

2320
02:20:05,060 --> 02:20:08,920
defamatory to accuse somebody of being gay? I don't know. No, it's not. But it's also not

2321
02:20:08,920 --> 02:20:12,640
defamatory to accuse someone of being racist. That's the, that's why I'm saying nobody. He's not

2322
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:16,000
no one is, no one is accusing us not being right. Or that's that being racist has nothing to do

2323
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:21,960
with this. What? Okay. Well, it's being a, it's being in favor of lynching black people. So

2324
02:20:21,960 --> 02:20:26,600
that's just, that's for being racist, right? Like a racist person would be in favor of it. But

2325
02:20:26,600 --> 02:20:30,500
also the extra judicial summary execution part is like pretty important there as well.

2326
02:20:30,500 --> 02:20:36,120
If, if my, if I have a black friend come up and say, wow, that guy at the store was racist. I would

2327
02:20:36,120 --> 02:20:41,800
not. And then I go, oh, he like said a slur. He then then goes, no, he thinks that we should

2328
02:20:41,800 --> 02:20:45,500
bring back lynchings. And it would be better if they were here. I would be like, wow, you can

2329
02:20:45,500 --> 02:20:51,080
undersold that to me by just calling him a racist. I feel like while it's an accurate description,

2330
02:20:51,080 --> 02:20:55,160
it's maybe not sufficient. I feel like that's not quite giving me the full picture.

2331
02:20:55,160 --> 02:21:01,720
And yeah, I think that the issue here is that he's racist. It's the issue that like we are very

2332
02:21:01,720 --> 02:21:06,800
specifically targeting his reputation with a specific community and using the most, the, the

2333
02:21:06,800 --> 02:21:14,000
most extreme inflammatory statement you possibly can to enact that, that end. And I don't personally,

2334
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:18,400
I don't have a problem if we have a government that says, people shouldn't do this. I don't

2335
02:21:18,400 --> 02:21:21,800
think that we're infringing on a First Amendment right here. I think it's a good thing if the

2336
02:21:21,800 --> 02:21:28,400
government steps in and says, hey, well, too much of the breaks on that put it, put a just play the

2337
02:21:28,400 --> 02:21:32,480
clip. Don't give your editorial on that one. Cause that's a little too far. I mean, do you do

2338
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:37,040
you disagree? Dan, do you think that our First Amendment right should protect Jennings behavior

2339
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:44,360
here? I think that in this case, I mean, I felt what happened to him was stupid. I don't think he

2340
02:21:44,360 --> 02:21:48,080
had to go this far in the first place. Like it just was dumb. Like when you do this, you give

2341
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:51,840
his son a W, which is fucking like delusional. I don't know why you would do this when you can just

2342
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:59,000
use the exact words he said specifically. I just don't know where it falls as far as damages or if

2343
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:04,400
you know, it can survive at all. I mean, that's like the whole thing. Like, I don't see any specific

2344
02:22:04,400 --> 02:22:07,800
carve out. You're like, Oh, well, you said something and you know, it's not true. Well, I can say,

2345
02:22:07,800 --> 02:22:12,480
okay, well, Kafka goes fishing on the weekends every weekend. And yeah, he doesn't work. And like,

2346
02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:16,880
that will never be defamatory. Even if I know that's not the case, you can't bring a thing for that.

2347
02:22:16,880 --> 02:22:21,160
Like, it's not going to affect your shit at all. Even though I know it's untrue, I'm continuing to

2348
02:22:21,160 --> 02:22:26,000
say it. It's not going to have any damage. You can't bring any cause you won't be successful on this,

2349
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:30,360
right? So there has to be classes of what? Okay, so what is allowed? If I'm saying something with

2350
02:22:30,360 --> 02:22:34,880
actual malice, I'm saying it with actual malice that you fucking fish on the weekends. And I know

2351
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:40,880
that you don't. So what can you say with actual malice? And the court says that racism doesn't count.

2352
02:22:40,880 --> 02:22:45,720
And I'm saying, okay, well, isn't this just kind of racism in this case? What am I missing on that

2353
02:22:45,720 --> 02:22:50,880
front? So that's why I'm asking these questions. Well, the reason when you say, can I just be any

2354
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:56,700
statement? That's why one of the elements for defamatory claim is the damages part. You have to show

2355
02:22:56,700 --> 02:23:02,320
in some way that you're damaged by the by the statement. Right. And I think that that will not be

2356
02:23:02,320 --> 02:23:08,080
something Hassan can do. Well, but that's the point. So I got threw up a word like he said I was

2357
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:11,200
wearing on this or I don't know if I'm missing something else, but there you have normally people

2358
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:14,800
call it defamation. It's definition per quad. I think it's the term, right? And then you've got

2359
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:18,920
definition per se, the per se thing just lets you skip the damages part because the damages will

2360
02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:22,480
become assumed. And there's going to be some, I don't know if it's statutory power to the judge

2361
02:23:22,480 --> 02:23:27,280
will decide or the jury will decide because the statement itself is so there were categories you

2362
02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:30,800
were reading off like statements of like moral, turpitude, attacking your profession. They're like,

2363
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:35,200
they're just so bad, you don't have to prove damages. But saying that like, Oh, this guy goes to the

2364
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:40,120
fishing pond every Saturday. Well, obviously, this is not fitting into any defamatory per se

2365
02:23:40,120 --> 02:23:43,480
thing. So to meet one of the elements of defamation, you have to show damages. How are you damaged by

2366
02:23:43,480 --> 02:23:48,240
somebody saying you go fishing at the pond? There's no thing to put anything. I made the noise

2367
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:52,480
earlier, because you aren't wrong destiny, but there's a small expansion on that. And I will say

2368
02:23:52,480 --> 02:23:57,200
Dan, this actually does cut in your favor, as far as argument you're making for the per se thing,

2369
02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:02,200
whatever we're saying per se, right, just imagine it means on its face. Yeah, any interpretation,

2370
02:24:02,200 --> 02:24:07,600
you know that it's definitely defamatory per quad, meaning like through which like this is

2371
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:15,600
defamatory in the context that you know it. If I say, you know, Hey, this guy, he's a he's a bad

2372
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:21,600
lawyer. I know because he was his word, Microsoft Word instead of word perfect. Okay, y'all don't

2373
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:25,720
understand what that means. Y'all don't have a context to understand why that is defamatory. But

2374
02:24:25,720 --> 02:24:30,320
if you're a lawyer and you understand word processing software, maybe then you would have that. So

2375
02:24:30,320 --> 02:24:36,040
then per quad, I'm giving context for why and you understand. Okay, this and then in that because

2376
02:24:36,040 --> 02:24:41,720
you are then saying, okay, you need to prove special damages is what it's called in defamation.

2377
02:24:41,720 --> 02:24:47,360
And it would require that you then show this is why it's defamatory. And this is how it

2378
02:24:47,360 --> 02:24:52,880
hurt me per se. I don't have to show you the context of why it's defamatory. And it doesn't

2379
02:24:52,880 --> 02:24:58,520
require me to then show you how I was specifically damaged. So the important part is really the

2380
02:24:58,520 --> 02:24:59,960
damages thing. And just as that

2381
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:05,520
However, Dan White, you're saying, right, is saying, "Hey, racism by itself is not per se."

2382
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:12,160
And to be fair, I am kind of making a per-quod argument when I say this is not an issue of racism,

2383
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:16,480
it's this person is making the most defamatory possible statement about the Black community,

2384
02:25:16,480 --> 02:25:22,560
which kind of does sound like a per-quod argument. But there's also like, I think that it is

2385
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:29,360
on its face so self-evident that that is what's happening, that you don't need to prove that

2386
02:25:29,360 --> 02:25:33,600
saying someone is in favor of lynching would destroy your reputation with the Black community

2387
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:39,520
such that it's defamatory. I think it's important to add that you know how like, you're familiar,

2388
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:42,640
like in the United States, there's no such thing as like a hate crime, right?

2389
02:25:45,360 --> 02:25:51,200
Sure. But like hate, racially motivated stuff can be like, I don't know, do you call it like an

2390
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:56,240
aggravative factor? You can add it on as like, yeah, so like I can go on to be racist all day,

2391
02:25:56,240 --> 02:26:00,320
but I'm not going to get arrested for being racist. I actually, I should have said hate speech,

2392
02:26:00,320 --> 02:26:04,080
I'm sorry. Some people will call hate crime if you kill somebody, so to be more clear. But like,

2393
02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:08,080
if you murder somebody, and then there's a racial motivation for it, that could be like a modifier

2394
02:26:08,080 --> 02:26:12,160
that cuts against you a lot. I go out and be racist all day though, and I can't get a locked up for

2395
02:26:12,160 --> 02:26:16,880
that. But as soon as I murder somebody, and I'm racist, now it's like the double whammy. So I think

2396
02:26:16,880 --> 02:26:20,640
for the, for like, Hassan is racist, you can say Hassan is racist all you want, you can give the

2397
02:26:20,640 --> 02:26:24,960
opinion that he's racist, that's fine. If you say, Hassan is literally saying that we should be

2398
02:26:24,960 --> 02:26:28,400
murdering people in the US, he wants government to murder people for no reason. Well, he didn't

2399
02:26:28,400 --> 02:26:32,640
say that. But if we say he thinks we should be murdering black people for no reason, now it's

2400
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:37,120
like an even extra, I'd say like, even a heightened bad thing that you're saying. But just the bad

2401
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:41,200
thing of like, the racism part is not important. It's the racism plus the super defamatory thing

2402
02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:48,800
you're saying, I think. Yeah. Right. Go ahead. Because again, even racism is an opinion. I can,

2403
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:52,560
you can say something to racist all you want. That can never be defamatory. But it's the statement

2404
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:57,600
of like, he's the same in a fact as saying that Hassan said this thing is the thing that he I think

2405
02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:03,280
right. And the same way that like if I if I said like, oh, he burned across in that person's yard,

2406
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:09,040
right? I'm kind of accusing him of being a racist. But there's more to it than just the fact that

2407
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:13,440
the racism is there, right? There's a there are there are more there's more things going on than

2408
02:27:13,440 --> 02:27:17,040
just I'm not just trying to convey to you this person is racist. I'm trying to convey to you

2409
02:27:17,040 --> 02:27:23,360
something deeper and more more precise than just this is a racist person, right? Because if that's

2410
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:26,960
all it was, he would have just gone and said Hassan is racist against black. He would not have gone

2411
02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:35,200
to the extent he did. So my here's my my question, right? So the question is, is it possible to have

2412
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:40,400
a defamation lawsuit against someone if the statement is not per se, the family story,

2413
02:27:40,400 --> 02:27:44,480
and there is no provable damages, which I think will be the case with Hassan.

2414
02:27:44,480 --> 02:27:48,320
I don't think you can. No, I think damage is I think in almost any civilization. But for defamation,

2415
02:27:48,320 --> 02:27:52,880
I don't know why I'm answering this. Okay, go. Sorry. But you started answering. So I was

2416
02:27:52,880 --> 02:27:58,080
focused on something else. Well, ask it again. Sorry. I have not a job. If it's not, if it's not

2417
02:27:58,080 --> 02:28:02,000
defamatory per se, and if you can't prove any damages, can you bring a lawsuit for defamation?

2418
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:05,840
Well, can you would you win it? No, no, can you even bring it? What is around the pleadings? My

2419
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:09,040
understanding is it wouldn't even survive the plea. Yes, no, no, you can bring a non per se

2420
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:14,080
definition. It would be a per qua. Yeah, no, but a non per se defamatory lawsuit where you can't prove

2421
02:28:14,480 --> 02:28:17,920
any damages at all. You can never prove any damages. So Kafka, if I say you burn,

2422
02:28:17,920 --> 02:28:23,440
I say you burn process in your yard every every week, but it's not a you can't prove special damages.

2423
02:28:23,440 --> 02:28:29,360
No, you can't prove a part of per qua. There's an element in per qua. Meaning what specifically?

2424
02:28:29,920 --> 02:28:34,000
Element is an acquired part to file it. Yeah, you can't you wouldn't be able to

2425
02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:38,720
try to not use legal language. You can't you wouldn't have enough. You wouldn't have the

2426
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:42,640
sufficient facts to file a case that would survive a pleading stage, right? You wouldn't

2427
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:48,880
need the prima fascist standard to bring a defamation case. It would you would go in there

2428
02:28:48,880 --> 02:28:51,520
and they would say, what are your special damages needs? I don't have any. And they'd say, well,

2429
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:56,480
too fucking bad. Because if you weren't harmed, we now that being said, you're going to make some

2430
02:28:56,480 --> 02:28:59,360
up. You're going to have something in there. Sure, sure. You'll make it up. And so I guess

2431
02:28:59,360 --> 02:29:03,360
that that's a question. So hypothetically, if I come to you and I say, or I go to destiny, I say,

2432
02:29:03,360 --> 02:29:07,120
don't don't have Kafka on stream anymore. And he goes, why? I love that guy. Good lawyer. And I say,

2433
02:29:07,120 --> 02:29:11,760
he fucking burns crosses in his yard every week. Not a good egg. Bad guy.

2434
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:17,520
And you're like, oh, okay, I'll go. But if that doesn't actually literally cost you a single

2435
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:22,960
client at all, ever, no lost business, no lost anything. And in fact, you keep coming on stream.

2436
02:29:24,320 --> 02:29:27,680
Can you even if you were to sue me and you say, hey, well, listen, this is, you know,

2437
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:32,080
others probably potential clients that might see this and not do it. Can you be successful there?

2438
02:29:32,080 --> 02:29:38,560
Again, assuming you're a public person. I think you would. Honestly, I think we're like,

2439
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:43,200
assuming that you would win the case otherwise, right? That's the same. I would win the case otherwise,

2440
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:48,960
but I just can't show that anything specifically happened. I think there's actually, there would

2441
02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:54,880
actually be some room. This is me shooting from the hip entirely. I think there is actually room for

2442
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:59,280
saying judge, I really just need the attraction because this is reputational harm. While it hasn't

2443
02:29:59,280 --> 02:30:00,280
It hasn't happened yet, I think.

2444
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,660
It could happen in the future and it's so harmful that it could just because it happens to happen yet

2445
02:30:03,660 --> 02:30:09,440
Doesn't mean that it's not potentially harmful and I think a retraction is appropriate. I think that I don't know

2446
02:30:09,440 --> 02:30:15,240
Do you really think a court would say that that's the type of relief that you brought this to court now looking for a court order for a

2447
02:30:15,440 --> 02:30:19,960
Retraction that that would be the type of thing that a court feels like is within their business to litigate or

2448
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:23,540
I mean, let me just let me just check something real quick. I'm gonna ask it

2449
02:30:25,560 --> 02:30:32,240
And what the reason I'm just bringing this up is I do think that it will be impossible for Hassan to prove that this specific statement from

2450
02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:37,280
This guy will cause him any more harm than the other things he has in his life

2451
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:41,520
And in fact, I think this is probably fucking nothing compared to the other things that he's getting blasted

2452
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:46,520
Sure, but if he's if he's trying to hit on the like the heavy reputational stuff related to his job

2453
02:30:46,600 --> 02:30:49,100
That's moving into the per se territory

2454
02:30:49,440 --> 02:30:55,840
So he doesn't have to prove damages there or future damages is just it's assumed because if this is your job and then your reputation

2455
02:30:55,840 --> 02:31:01,160
Is being I'm I'm I'm on the assumption that like that would not survive. I guess is my thought go ahead

2456
02:31:03,040 --> 02:31:05,040
Okay, yeah, so it's

2457
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:08,600
It's kind of a thing where it's like I think I think

2458
02:31:09,760 --> 02:31:12,600
Sticking to the hype that you gave me actually that there is not really remedy

2459
02:31:12,840 --> 02:31:18,400
What you would need to show for what I'm talking about like an injunctive relief where the court would say like alright

2460
02:31:18,400 --> 02:31:23,440
You got to retract the statement. You would need to show like non-monetary ongoing harm, right?

2461
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:27,880
Which is which means you might not actually get to special damages

2462
02:31:28,520 --> 02:31:32,000
But you would be able to say like look this is harming me

2463
02:31:32,120 --> 02:31:34,400
It just can't be quantified into into money

2464
02:31:34,400 --> 02:31:38,400
And so I need you to just order them to retract the statement or something along the lines like that

2465
02:31:40,400 --> 02:31:45,640
Not easy to get it's out there and it's possible to get so I would say like in the scenario you gave me

2466
02:31:45,640 --> 02:31:49,000
I don't think so, but I think in the spirit of what you're asking me

2467
02:31:49,000 --> 02:31:51,720
I think there are kind of injunctive relief that doesn't have to do with money

2468
02:31:51,880 --> 02:31:54,920
That you can still be successful on you be sure but say I you know judge

2469
02:31:54,920 --> 02:32:00,600
I didn't lose any money on this but there is still harm happening and in this way that you could solve the problem for me

2470
02:32:00,600 --> 02:32:03,800
I just had a I just had another idea. I don't know how you feel about this though

2471
02:32:03,800 --> 02:32:10,440
I bet you okay that Jennings initial release of this defamatory statement if you're that's to be alleged had

2472
02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:18,320
Almost no distribution or reach in that it was Hassan and his own internal distribution and reach which actually amplified it

2473
02:32:18,320 --> 02:32:22,540
So for instance if you come up to me and no one really sees it and you're like hey you burn crosses

2474
02:32:23,080 --> 02:32:27,120
That the damage of that specifically actually isn't that much right?

2475
02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:32,080
But if I go and I then I start live streaming like can you believe what this guy said this guy did this?

2476
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:34,320
And then I put it on my YouTube and I put it on my second YouTube

2477
02:32:34,320 --> 02:32:38,280
And then I do 10 streams about it the damage is actually self-inflicted at that part

2478
02:32:39,600 --> 02:32:45,080
So that's an interest so there's a universal I think I think for the damages being self-inflicted part

2479
02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:49,640
The thing that you would have to look at there for when we're thinking like proximate cause and everything is like that

2480
02:32:49,640 --> 02:32:57,560
He do something that that makes him liable for that like if Hassan was covering a defamatory statement that somebody else made

2481
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:03,960
Hassan is not necessarily the purvera or the spreader of a defamatory statement because he's covering it as a defamatory statement

2482
02:33:03,960 --> 02:33:10,520
So I feel like it would still fall back completely on Jennings in that case not on Hassan for simply reporting on it or going over it

2483
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:14,480
But he is you're both kind of hitting at something

2484
02:33:15,320 --> 02:33:17,320
so one

2485
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:23,040
Just we'll go to dance first so Dan you're you're correct and says that there's likely some form of

2486
02:33:23,840 --> 02:33:31,360
Mitigation of damages that that needs to come into effect right like and in almost every single case that you'll you'll be in

2487
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:38,160
Party is gonna have a a inherent duty to mitigate the damages once they know they're happening right once I know

2488
02:33:38,480 --> 02:33:40,480
That there's a leak in my house

2489
02:33:40,480 --> 02:33:42,480
Right, it's on me to fix it

2490
02:33:44,040 --> 02:33:47,680
Sorry, let's say I am in my landlord. I rip my

2491
02:33:48,120 --> 02:33:49,040
My apartment

2492
02:33:49,040 --> 02:33:53,600
I see that there's a leak and it's leaking onto my bed and I now have to buy a new bed

2493
02:33:53,600 --> 02:33:57,400
And if I let it keep going it's gonna start leaking onto my side table

2494
02:33:57,400 --> 02:33:59,720
And on you know other things and they'll have to replace all of them

2495
02:33:59,720 --> 02:34:04,960
Well once I see the leak is happening. It's on me to mitigate the damage that that leak would cause okay

2496
02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:10,760
So to some effect if Hassan's distribution of that statement causes harm to Hassan

2497
02:34:11,200 --> 02:34:15,000
He wouldn't be able to bring that against Scott Jennings necessarily that being said

2498
02:34:15,000 --> 02:34:22,160
I don't know how you would go about proving all that but that is in the hypothetical that I would bet that if Hassan's

2499
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:26,520
Interaction with these defamatory statements was such that it caused him harm

2500
02:34:26,840 --> 02:34:30,180
The court would not include that in an analysis of Scott Jennings

2501
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:34,480
Harvest Scott that's on biker that being said, you know if

2502
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:40,800
Publication is it merely needs a third party for publication to exist for defamation

2503
02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:45,760
It's one of the easiest things to prove in a defamation case as long as you know whether or not the reach was large

2504
02:34:45,760 --> 02:34:48,320
You're not I guess like to to amplify this right

2505
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:54,400
So if I go on YouTube and I make a video and I say Kafka burns crosses in his yard and it gets ten views

2506
02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:59,960
Right and then you go and you respond to me saying this thing and you

2507
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,720
start uploading it to your YouTube and you start doing a live stream saying how

2508
02:35:03,720 --> 02:35:07,960
wrong it is and then it starts getting hundreds of thousands of views and people

2509
02:35:07,960 --> 02:35:10,800
start paying seriously attention to it because I have millions of views in fact

2510
02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:15,800
it's my distribution of what I did wasn't in fact anything my initial stuff

2511
02:35:15,800 --> 02:35:21,240
was only seen by 10 people it was your your own actions that made this so

2512
02:35:21,240 --> 02:35:24,920
amplified yeah but he has no liability no fault for his own actions because he's

2513
02:35:24,920 --> 02:35:28,200
not doing anything wrong well that's the thing I'm not

2514
02:35:28,200 --> 02:35:35,180
I'm not I am not taking steps to mitigate the harm and if things result

2515
02:35:35,180 --> 02:35:39,180
from in destiny you are right though where like if I'm publishing and I'm

2516
02:35:39,180 --> 02:35:43,480
causing and I'm causing harm to my own reputation by my own actions well at

2517
02:35:43,480 --> 02:35:49,640
that point it's not Jennings who's publishing it right he's his his

2518
02:35:49,640 --> 02:35:54,520
publication apparently only extended to me and a few others me then boosting it

2519
02:35:54,520 --> 02:35:57,800
out everywhere else that doesn't necessarily mean that I would add all

2520
02:35:57,800 --> 02:36:02,040
those harms on yeah I think to now I think in this case I think it's weird

2521
02:36:02,040 --> 02:36:05,720
because generally I don't know why I'm saying like I've done it is cases but

2522
02:36:05,720 --> 02:36:09,200
like I feel like it's probably the case that for most defamatory things the

2523
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:14,400
mitigation is going to be very obvious but for media figures well mitigation

2524
02:36:14,400 --> 02:36:19,720
could run directly contrary to your job right like if I was a carpenter and I

2525
02:36:19,720 --> 02:36:23,120
found out that some dude had like taped to the back of my truck I suck at my job

2526
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:25,800
and I've actually killed every single house I've ever touched my entire life

2527
02:36:25,800 --> 02:36:29,280
if I discover that in January I send them a cease and desist in February and

2528
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:32,240
then we wind up in corner December and the judge finds out you still have the

2529
02:36:32,240 --> 02:36:35,720
signs on the back of your car the fuck well of course I do I'm racking up damages

2530
02:36:35,720 --> 02:36:38,800
just say no what the fuck you obviously this is a damage mitigation you should

2531
02:36:38,800 --> 02:36:41,040
have taken this off you didn't do any steps to reduce the amount of damage

2532
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:44,680
that's ridiculous but if it's a news thing and some guys like this guy's a

2533
02:36:44,680 --> 02:36:48,680
fucking I saw this guy eating ponies and he's like a smaller person media guy

2534
02:36:48,680 --> 02:36:51,160
and then I respond I'm this guy said I'm eating ponies I'm not eating ponies

2535
02:36:51,160 --> 02:36:54,600
that's crazy and then the guy's like oh well why did you respond to my thing you

2536
02:36:54,600 --> 02:36:57,040
should have taken steps to mitigate the damage which is which means you can't

2537
02:36:57,040 --> 02:36:59,720
even respond to me I feel like it's not quite the same because the mitigation

2538
02:36:59,720 --> 02:37:02,680
here is literally what you do is his work but I don't know how often this

2539
02:37:02,680 --> 02:37:06,640
game is litigated or whatever so yeah yeah these are pretty specific also you

2540
02:37:06,640 --> 02:37:09,800
don't forget the theory of continuous publication I mean as long as the link

2541
02:37:09,800 --> 02:37:13,680
is active I kill yourself kill you in a video game

2542
02:37:14,320 --> 02:37:20,320
but I mean it's yeah these are like like I hope this is displayed that like

2543
02:37:20,320 --> 02:37:23,360
the context of all these things is going to be part of the analysis and it's not

2544
02:37:23,360 --> 02:37:27,920
gonna be a very clear cut dry thing and the more layers there are to it the

2545
02:37:27,920 --> 02:37:31,680
more complexity there is to it the more the more likely it's going to be making

2546
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:35,400
its way through pleadings and getting to discovery which is where the real

2547
02:37:35,400 --> 02:37:42,960
meat of this whole thing is you know it's it's also like it would not surprise

2548
02:37:42,960 --> 02:37:47,880
me if there is a text chain email chain between Jennings and people at his

2549
02:37:47,880 --> 02:37:52,280
office going this is not bad enough we need to make it look worse I want to

2550
02:37:52,280 --> 02:37:55,720
make sure that it's on piker looks horrible to black people things like that

2551
02:37:55,720 --> 02:38:01,120
that would come out that are like oh okay like there's no question what is

2552
02:38:01,120 --> 02:38:04,600
happening here this is a very intentional malicious act by this man for

2553
02:38:04,600 --> 02:38:07,640
sure to defend right he's saying we're like that's where I'm coming from where

2554
02:38:07,640 --> 02:38:12,080
it's like oh like if we get the discovery based on the Dominion lawsuit it seems

2555
02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:17,440
like people are super happy to just admit to defamation in communications so

2556
02:38:17,440 --> 02:38:21,000
why would I not assume that's something like that doesn't exist here or him

2557
02:38:21,000 --> 02:38:23,920
having a conversation with somebody that is gonna show up to a deposition

2558
02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:28,320
be like yeah he told you that shit right how do you feel about proving damages

2559
02:38:28,320 --> 02:38:32,840
in something like this specifically because the song you're pissing off a

2560
02:38:32,840 --> 02:38:36,280
jury that's what you're doing right now you're you're you can you want to get

2561
02:38:36,280 --> 02:38:41,120
actual damage yeah sure yeah you want to do actual damage is enough so that you

2562
02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:44,160
get something and then you just want to piss the jury off as much as you can you

2563
02:38:44,160 --> 02:38:47,160
make the jury hate this shit out of the other person and you want to make them

2564
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:51,440
see how horrible it is and then that jury is going to take that and run well

2565
02:38:51,440 --> 02:38:56,180
how does it affect the person themselves what would the judge allow them to bring

2566
02:38:56,180 --> 02:39:01,040
in if the person himself was like a serial defamer now they would have to

2567
02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:04,880
be relevant if Hassan were to yeah he's saying like could could Scott Jennings

2568
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:07,080
say well look at all these other people that he lied about but that's not

2569
02:39:07,080 --> 02:39:10,280
relevant I wouldn't imagine to be relevant unless the son would have tried

2570
02:39:10,280 --> 02:39:13,000
because now if they were to say bring something like as on is known as an

2571
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:16,200
incredibly honest person in all these communities and therefore these things

2572
02:39:16,200 --> 02:39:19,640
are repostational harms that might open the door for them to say well hold on if

2573
02:39:19,640 --> 02:39:21,480
he's gonna say he's honest well here's all these other people saying it's not

2574
02:39:21,480 --> 02:39:27,120
maybe that would well and so yeah you to just to be clear you're I'm not

2575
02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:30,080
talking about doing like character evidence necessarily like I wouldn't I

2576
02:39:30,080 --> 02:39:34,560
wouldn't advocate for that directly you just you're gonna you're gonna ask

2577
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:37,380
questions and directing on cross in front of the jury you're gonna make

2578
02:39:37,380 --> 02:39:42,240
arguments in ways that just makes the jury pissed off without opening the door

2579
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:45,400
to questions about your own clients credibility and things like that and

2580
02:39:45,400 --> 02:39:48,280
you can do everything you can to make your client look sympathetic and and like

2581
02:39:48,280 --> 02:39:52,400
a person that you know didn't deserve what happened to them and then you just

2582
02:39:52,400 --> 02:39:57,000
yeah you just kind of you know make the other side look very pompous and very

2583
02:39:57,000 --> 02:40:01,480
like you know aloof of all of it so

2584
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:05,040
Um, it's not like a, yeah, the, the, you're not going to, it's not like, um, what is it?

2585
02:40:05,040 --> 02:40:08,440
The Johnny Dept trial where they kind of had like a whole bunch of character evidence

2586
02:40:08,440 --> 02:40:09,440
come in.

2587
02:40:09,440 --> 02:40:10,440
I'm not saying that.

2588
02:40:10,440 --> 02:40:14,400
I'm saying like you are going to, you know, craft your arguments and your language in

2589
02:40:14,400 --> 02:40:18,840
a way to make sure that he is in the worst possible light to the jury so that they hate

2590
02:40:18,840 --> 02:40:25,520
him and want to give you as much punitive damages as possible.

2591
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:28,480
Which seems so hard in a case like this where I feel like a lot of this is going to turn

2592
02:40:28,480 --> 02:40:34,160
on your political sensibilities and everything else and I don't know that I would be shocked

2593
02:40:34,160 --> 02:40:35,160
of this.

2594
02:40:35,160 --> 02:40:39,000
Obviously I mean, I wonder if it'll make it past the bleeding stage will be interesting.

2595
02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:43,960
It'll be, you, I think it'll be interesting to see the Jennings response, but what a nightmare

2596
02:40:43,960 --> 02:40:46,640
for any federal judge to try to sort through.

2597
02:40:46,640 --> 02:40:47,640
Oh, yeah.

2598
02:40:47,640 --> 02:40:50,640
What about me having pity the actual pity for a judge?

2599
02:40:50,640 --> 02:40:51,640
Um, one second.

2600
02:40:51,640 --> 02:40:52,640
I don't know.

2601
02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:54,600
I can't believe I've done this yet.

2602
02:40:54,600 --> 02:41:00,440
All right here, let's see what court it's own.

2603
02:41:00,440 --> 02:41:10,200
Y'all go ahead, I'm going to look something up a bacer.

2604
02:41:10,200 --> 02:41:12,000
Who is?

2605
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:13,000
I am.

2606
02:41:13,000 --> 02:41:14,000
Oh, no.

2607
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:16,000
I wasn't talking to you.

2608
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:17,000
Oh, sorry.

2609
02:41:17,000 --> 02:41:18,000
Oh my God.

2610
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:23,080
Wait, why don't I just say that on a stream?

2611
02:41:23,080 --> 02:41:27,160
I wasn't Y'all are so touching me.

2612
02:41:27,160 --> 02:41:28,960
Can I just say it on stream or pretend it didn't come from you?

2613
02:41:28,960 --> 02:41:29,960
I don't know why you wouldn't just.

2614
02:41:29,960 --> 02:41:31,960
Oh, I'm just sending you links there.

2615
02:41:31,960 --> 02:41:32,960
Funny stuff that come in.

2616
02:41:32,960 --> 02:41:33,960
I just think it's funny.

2617
02:41:33,960 --> 02:41:34,960
Oh, okay.

2618
02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:35,960
Totally relevant from anything.

2619
02:41:35,960 --> 02:41:39,000
The, obviously the professor David dude is a, he's a shock collar truther.

2620
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:42,400
I didn't know what you meant when you said that though, because it's a truther.

2621
02:41:42,400 --> 02:41:43,960
That's a person who believes in the conspiracy, I guess, right?

2622
02:41:43,960 --> 02:41:44,960
And in this case, the conspiracy.

2623
02:41:44,960 --> 02:41:45,960
He did not.

2624
02:41:45,960 --> 02:41:46,960
He did not shock his dog.

2625
02:41:46,960 --> 02:41:47,960
Okay.

2626
02:41:47,960 --> 02:41:48,960
Never mind.

2627
02:41:48,960 --> 02:41:53,400
Never mind.

2628
02:41:53,400 --> 02:41:55,240
I still think that's the funniest litmus test.

2629
02:41:55,240 --> 02:41:56,240
I don't know.

2630
02:41:56,240 --> 02:42:01,400
It breaks so many like traditional like mind theories of mind for like, cause like, like

2631
02:42:01,400 --> 02:42:05,040
in any fucking movie, it's just that's like the easiest go to to show this is the bad

2632
02:42:05,040 --> 02:42:06,040
guy.

2633
02:42:06,040 --> 02:42:07,040
He abuses a dog.

2634
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:14,120
It's just like, no, and then you get like your tail of the rent is literally don't believe

2635
02:42:14,120 --> 02:42:15,120
your eyes.

2636
02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:17,360
It's like really.

2637
02:42:17,360 --> 02:42:23,880
I would be, I mean, it's a surreal experience, but I feel like all of the defenses that people

2638
02:42:23,880 --> 02:42:26,800
give over this event, it's like, well, look how this guy reacted.

2639
02:42:26,800 --> 02:42:29,440
This guy said that he doesn't care about the dog.

2640
02:42:29,440 --> 02:42:31,080
This guy says that he was pushing it initially.

2641
02:42:31,080 --> 02:42:34,560
It's like, okay, but what does this have to do with the actual event that's happening?

2642
02:42:34,560 --> 02:42:36,280
Like, why does it matter?

2643
02:42:36,280 --> 02:42:40,640
Who initially found this event or who's excited about it or who's promoting it or if

2644
02:42:40,640 --> 02:42:41,640
they care about the dog?

2645
02:42:41,640 --> 02:42:45,160
Like that doesn't change any of the facts at all of what's happening.

2646
02:42:45,160 --> 02:42:49,800
You can say it makes the people bad people because you disagree with them pushing it.

2647
02:42:49,800 --> 02:42:54,160
Like I like animals and I think it's fucked up that Hassan does keep his fucking dog in

2648
02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:55,160
one place for hours.

2649
02:42:55,160 --> 02:42:56,160
I think it's not good.

2650
02:42:56,160 --> 02:42:57,160
Okay.

2651
02:42:57,160 --> 02:42:58,760
But it's like, I don't, you know, Kai is not my dog.

2652
02:42:58,760 --> 02:42:59,760
I don't love it.

2653
02:42:59,760 --> 02:43:01,320
I don't care personally about that dog.

2654
02:43:01,320 --> 02:43:04,960
I don't give a fuck about that dog anymore than I would say I care about any other dog

2655
02:43:04,960 --> 02:43:05,960
in particular.

2656
02:43:05,960 --> 02:43:06,960
Yeah.

2657
02:43:06,960 --> 02:43:11,680
You don't want to talk about some defamation, talk about how when someone shocks his dog

2658
02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:15,240
and he clearly didn't and y'all know it.

2659
02:43:15,240 --> 02:43:16,240
Good one.

2660
02:43:16,240 --> 02:43:17,240
Good one.

2661
02:43:17,240 --> 02:43:18,240
Good one.

2662
02:43:18,240 --> 02:43:19,240
I'll be careful.

2663
02:43:19,240 --> 02:43:20,240
We're going to get sued now.

2664
02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:21,240
Yeah.

2665
02:43:21,240 --> 02:43:22,240
Big time.

2666
02:43:22,240 --> 02:43:23,240
And I'm going to be the one to represent.

2667
02:43:23,240 --> 02:43:24,240
No.

2668
02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:25,240
Base.

2669
02:43:25,240 --> 02:43:26,240
Oh, you heard that.

2670
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:27,240
That means he, we have a contract now, Steve.

2671
02:43:27,240 --> 02:43:28,240
Like that's true.

2672
02:43:28,240 --> 02:43:29,240
He can't leave that.

2673
02:43:29,240 --> 02:43:30,240
You said that and I know you're an attorney.

2674
02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:33,120
I thought you were my attorney.

2675
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:34,640
You thought I was your attorney.

2676
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:35,640
Yeah, I did.

2677
02:43:35,640 --> 02:43:36,640
Mm-hmm.

2678
02:43:36,640 --> 02:43:37,640
Didn't you think that Steve?

2679
02:43:37,640 --> 02:43:38,640
Yeah.

2680
02:43:38,640 --> 02:43:39,640
I mean, it's a legitimate strategy.

2681
02:43:39,640 --> 02:43:42,720
Just scrambling when Pixie said she was going to sue me and I had to reach out to every

2682
02:43:42,720 --> 02:43:46,440
single revenge porn lawyer in the entire United States so that there'd be a conflict

2683
02:43:46,440 --> 02:43:48,480
of interest because we had our initial conversation.

2684
02:43:48,480 --> 02:43:49,480
Thank God for AI.

2685
02:43:49,480 --> 02:43:52,000
That's why the only person she could turn to was Joan.

2686
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:53,000
Just kidding.

2687
02:43:53,000 --> 02:43:54,000
Joking.

2688
02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:56,000
That's a joke.

2689
02:43:56,000 --> 02:43:57,000
Okay.

2690
02:43:57,000 --> 02:44:03,160
It's so excited to get this painted that I've got to show up to your fucking next hearing

2691
02:44:03,160 --> 02:44:06,600
to get the post about whether or not I'm your attorney.

2692
02:44:06,600 --> 02:44:07,600
Speaking of subpoenas.

2693
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:08,600
Okay.

2694
02:44:08,600 --> 02:44:10,600
I heard somebody's got...

2695
02:44:10,600 --> 02:44:12,160
Fuck you, Paser.

2696
02:44:12,160 --> 02:44:13,160
Sorry.

2697
02:44:13,160 --> 02:44:15,800
Paser was making me reset my fucking password.

2698
02:44:15,800 --> 02:44:17,720
They make you do it so often.

2699
02:44:17,720 --> 02:44:18,720
It's so annoying.

2700
02:44:18,720 --> 02:44:19,720
They don't for me.

2701
02:44:19,720 --> 02:44:20,720
They just recognize me immediately.

2702
02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:21,720
This thing that...

2703
02:44:21,720 --> 02:44:22,720
Wait, hold on.

2704
02:44:22,720 --> 02:44:23,720
Hold on.

2705
02:44:23,720 --> 02:44:24,720
Hold on.

2706
02:44:24,720 --> 02:44:25,720
You mean me.

2707
02:44:25,720 --> 02:44:26,720
I'm looking at the comment from this guy.

2708
02:44:26,720 --> 02:44:27,720
You're a loser.

2709
02:44:27,720 --> 02:44:28,720
He says...

2710
02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:29,720
Dave says he didn't shock his dog.

2711
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:30,720
Saltman started that smear campaign.

2712
02:44:30,720 --> 02:44:31,720
True.

2713
02:44:31,720 --> 02:44:32,720
It was a vibrating caller.

2714
02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:33,720
True.

2715
02:44:33,720 --> 02:44:34,720
Here's a problem.

2716
02:44:34,720 --> 02:44:35,920
Hassan says it wasn't wearing the vibrating caller that day.

2717
02:44:35,920 --> 02:44:38,440
So you're already going against what Hassan said.

2718
02:44:38,440 --> 02:44:39,800
Well, he was mistaken initially.

2719
02:44:39,800 --> 02:44:40,800
Okay.

2720
02:44:40,800 --> 02:44:41,800
What?

2721
02:44:41,800 --> 02:44:42,800
A man can't be confused.

2722
02:44:42,800 --> 02:44:43,880
It was a challenging day for him.

2723
02:44:43,880 --> 02:44:44,880
Okay.

2724
02:44:44,880 --> 02:44:45,880
Well, there's that.

2725
02:44:45,880 --> 02:44:50,440
And then also that he said he gave the dog the place command that he literally never did.

2726
02:44:50,440 --> 02:44:51,440
But...

2727
02:44:51,440 --> 02:44:52,440
He did.

2728
02:44:52,440 --> 02:44:55,940
Oh, actually he might have no troll.

2729
02:44:55,940 --> 02:44:59,880
How?

2730
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:03,480
Because he, I think he, oh no, no, he didn't,

2731
02:45:03,480 --> 02:45:05,040
because he didn't move to stream, right?

2732
02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:05,880
- Yeah, he didn't.

2733
02:45:05,880 --> 02:45:08,400
- 'Cause I think normally when he goes to Zapper,

2734
02:45:08,400 --> 02:45:09,600
he normally mutes the stream first,

2735
02:45:09,600 --> 02:45:10,880
and I think he fucked up,

2736
02:45:10,880 --> 02:45:12,120
'cause he forgot to move the stream.

2737
02:45:12,120 --> 02:45:12,960
That's why we hear it,

2738
02:45:12,960 --> 02:45:13,800
and I don't think we normally do.

2739
02:45:13,800 --> 02:45:15,920
No, but he, I don't think I can check.

2740
02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:16,760
He normally mutes the stream.

2741
02:45:16,760 --> 02:45:17,880
- Dude, I'm gonna become the,

2742
02:45:17,880 --> 02:45:19,480
I wanna become the professor Dave

2743
02:45:19,480 --> 02:45:20,960
of the fucking dog shot collar.

2744
02:45:20,960 --> 02:45:23,720
Like, that guy knows everything about the flat earth, right?

2745
02:45:23,720 --> 02:45:27,600
I wanna be, has he ever gone against John Zirka?

2746
02:45:28,600 --> 02:45:29,760
- Probably not, that'd be funny.

2747
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:31,320
- Oh man, we need to set that up.

2748
02:45:31,320 --> 02:45:32,680
That would be fucking cinema.

2749
02:45:33,800 --> 02:45:35,800
- Okay, they haven't assigned a court to,

2750
02:45:35,800 --> 02:45:38,040
or a judge to it yet, which makes sense.

2751
02:45:38,960 --> 02:45:40,080
It was only filed yesterday.

2752
02:45:40,080 --> 02:45:42,000
- What's the latest on Hassan getting sued

2753
02:45:42,000 --> 02:45:45,000
for a hundred billion dollars for anti-Semitism

2754
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:47,000
from that wacky guy in Florida?

2755
02:45:47,960 --> 02:45:48,800
- Well, I don't know.

2756
02:45:48,800 --> 02:45:50,760
- Isn't that the guy who's getting sued

2757
02:45:50,760 --> 02:45:53,880
for anti-Semitism for a hundred million dollars?

2758
02:45:55,040 --> 02:45:55,960
- Let me read that.

2759
02:45:55,960 --> 02:45:57,280
They could actually ask him about that

2760
02:45:57,280 --> 02:45:58,540
and discover he knows.

2761
02:46:00,760 --> 02:46:02,560
- I don't think anything interesting.

2762
02:46:04,400 --> 02:46:06,000
- I don't think you're interesting.

2763
02:46:06,000 --> 02:46:07,640
Just kidding, sorry.

2764
02:46:07,640 --> 02:46:09,720
- Oh my God, what about if fucking Trump comes out

2765
02:46:09,720 --> 02:46:10,560
and says it?

2766
02:46:12,040 --> 02:46:13,120
- What references are he might,

2767
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:16,920
he's been referencing Hassan Pike every now and then.

2768
02:46:16,920 --> 02:46:18,040
Yikes.

2769
02:46:18,040 --> 02:46:20,360
- Has he ever been saying that?

2770
02:46:20,360 --> 02:46:21,840
- Who, I watched something in Minnesota

2771
02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:23,360
they called him Hassan Pike.

2772
02:46:25,200 --> 02:46:26,200
- That's very funny.

2773
02:46:27,400 --> 02:46:28,240
- Okay.

2774
02:46:28,240 --> 02:46:30,480
- I was just saying if you think he laid the case.

2775
02:46:30,480 --> 02:46:31,320
- All right.

2776
02:46:31,320 --> 02:46:32,160
How's it looking?

2777
02:46:33,960 --> 02:46:34,800
- I don't know.

2778
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:35,960
Yeah, there's just not that much going on

2779
02:46:35,960 --> 02:46:37,240
'cause it just was filed yesterday.

2780
02:46:37,240 --> 02:46:38,840
And it's how long it been.

2781
02:46:38,840 --> 02:46:40,720
- But yeah, but I mean, yeah, I don't know.

2782
02:46:40,720 --> 02:46:45,720
I feel bad because this is not snark, I promise.

2783
02:46:45,720 --> 02:46:46,560
- Uh oh.

2784
02:46:47,640 --> 02:46:50,080
- The case is just not as,

2785
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:55,080
the case is not as like hilariously like one side of us.

2786
02:46:55,240 --> 02:46:58,760
It could be for a maximum snarking if it's on piker.

2787
02:46:58,760 --> 02:47:01,680
So, you know.

2788
02:47:01,680 --> 02:47:02,520
- Oh, sure.

2789
02:47:02,520 --> 02:47:04,320
- I can't really, I can't really be like,

2790
02:47:04,320 --> 02:47:05,920
God, look at this fucking idiot.

2791
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:10,560
It's like, yeah, well, you know, there's teeth to it.

2792
02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:13,520
And he picked a good fucking target.

2793
02:47:13,520 --> 02:47:15,080
I'll give him that much.

2794
02:47:15,080 --> 02:47:15,920
- Oh.

2795
02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:17,400
- Guy who's not a part of a major network really

2796
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:18,680
'cause I don't know if CNN is gonna be

2797
02:47:18,680 --> 02:47:19,920
stepping out of anything on this.

2798
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:22,120
It's gonna be his own little network bullshit.

2799
02:47:23,800 --> 02:47:26,120
- Yeah, it was a pretty dumb statement, pretty clearly.

2800
02:47:26,120 --> 02:47:27,640
Not great.

2801
02:47:27,640 --> 02:47:30,720
- I know people are like kind of itching for this

2802
02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:32,960
to be some kind of precedent and then, you know,

2803
02:47:32,960 --> 02:47:34,080
part of our conversation made it feel like

2804
02:47:34,080 --> 02:47:35,800
there might be something that comes out of it.

2805
02:47:35,800 --> 02:47:38,560
I would be surprised if there is like a significant

2806
02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:40,680
precedent, it's more likely that this would just be kind

2807
02:47:40,680 --> 02:47:43,680
of like, hey, here's this fact scenario that happened

2808
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:45,560
and this is how we resolved it.

2809
02:47:45,560 --> 02:47:48,560
I don't foresee like a new test coming out of it

2810
02:47:48,560 --> 02:47:51,640
or kind of any kind of like landmark thing

2811
02:47:51,640 --> 02:47:55,240
that would make it to that other cases from other people.

2812
02:47:55,240 --> 02:47:57,920
- I mean, theoretically, it could if both of these parties

2813
02:47:57,920 --> 02:48:00,880
decided like they wanted to fucking go all the way, right?

2814
02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:01,720
- Yeah.

2815
02:48:01,720 --> 02:48:02,560
- Like if they went all the way.

2816
02:48:02,560 --> 02:48:05,800
- That'd be crazy for either one, especially for Jennings.

2817
02:48:05,800 --> 02:48:09,160
- Yeah, like, because I think what would,

2818
02:48:09,160 --> 02:48:10,480
what would need to happen really,

2819
02:48:10,480 --> 02:48:12,040
is they would need to go all the way,

2820
02:48:12,040 --> 02:48:15,280
Jennings would need to lose and then it gets a field,

2821
02:48:15,280 --> 02:48:17,200
'cause I don't know if it's on a necessarily appeal

2822
02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:20,080
if he lost, I don't know if he's worth it.

2823
02:48:20,080 --> 02:48:23,400
But if Jennings lost, I bet he would appeal it

2824
02:48:23,400 --> 02:48:25,400
or he's more, that's the more likely scenario

2825
02:48:25,400 --> 02:48:28,280
and then they'll get kicked up and then we might see,

2826
02:48:28,280 --> 02:48:30,040
at that point, I would say, oh, yeah, okay,

2827
02:48:30,040 --> 02:48:32,080
we have a higher chance of us seeing some kind

2828
02:48:32,080 --> 02:48:33,320
of possible precedent that would be better.

2829
02:48:33,320 --> 02:48:35,000
- That would be pretty dumb though.

2830
02:48:35,000 --> 02:48:37,200
I feel like he would get murdered by conservatives

2831
02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:41,160
'cause appealing was probably a weaker case like that

2832
02:48:41,160 --> 02:48:44,000
to get some kind of like landmark test that would destroy

2833
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:46,080
all conservative media in the United States

2834
02:48:46,080 --> 02:48:47,560
because now there would be like a solid test

2835
02:48:47,560 --> 02:48:51,040
for false media, that'd be a really bad case to appeal,

2836
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:53,000
I think, to try to go all the way with that one,

2837
02:48:53,000 --> 02:48:56,280
to win on your free speech things, but who knows?

2838
02:48:56,280 --> 02:49:00,000
- Yeah, but to be fair also, if there was ever a court

2839
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:02,560
that was gonna side with them, all right?

2840
02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:03,800
- Well, that's true too, yeah.

2841
02:49:03,800 --> 02:49:04,960
Actually, yeah, maybe, actually, yeah.

2842
02:49:04,960 --> 02:49:08,040
What do we think, Roberts and these motherfuckers,

2843
02:49:08,040 --> 02:49:10,640
Alito, they're gonna come out against conservatives,

2844
02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:13,320
right to fucking lie with impunity and infinitely?

2845
02:49:15,080 --> 02:49:16,960
- Yeah, I mean, come on, what are we gonna do?

2846
02:49:16,960 --> 02:49:19,240
Let this, can't let this court go away.

2847
02:49:19,240 --> 02:49:21,280
- You know a Turkish guy, open Arabic guy,

2848
02:49:21,280 --> 02:49:22,320
get elected to the Senate.

2849
02:49:22,320 --> 02:49:23,160
- Oh, wow.

2850
02:49:23,160 --> 02:49:26,520
- Can't let that happen, but yeah.

2851
02:49:26,520 --> 02:49:29,200
All right, well, okay, I'm gonna try to get back to work

2852
02:49:29,200 --> 02:49:31,080
and make up some of this time, I've wasted here,

2853
02:49:31,080 --> 02:49:34,960
but no, it was good, I appreciate the good conversation on it.

2854
02:49:34,960 --> 02:49:36,920
- Do the wrap up, so where are the weak points?

2855
02:49:36,920 --> 02:49:38,120
Where are the strong points?

2856
02:49:38,120 --> 02:49:41,240
Where do you, what are you, if you were Hassan's attorney,

2857
02:49:41,240 --> 02:49:43,200
what would you be concerned about going south

2858
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:44,720
and what are the things on the court?

2859
02:49:46,200 --> 02:49:49,360
- I think for me, right now, the big fight,

2860
02:49:49,360 --> 02:49:53,880
right now, my focus is entirely on the motion dismissed.

2861
02:49:53,880 --> 02:49:56,600
I'd be getting ready to really push out

2862
02:49:58,200 --> 02:50:00,080
just how targeted,

2863
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:05,000
and intentional, I would be so focused on the intent

2864
02:50:06,280 --> 02:50:08,440
and the target behind Jenny's actions.

2865
02:50:08,440 --> 02:50:10,040
I would be trying to offend the judge.

2866
02:50:10,040 --> 02:50:11,640
I said earlier, it's kind of critiquing

2867
02:50:11,640 --> 02:50:13,900
the drafting style of these attorneys,

2868
02:50:13,900 --> 02:50:16,680
and it's because I think that part of it truly was

2869
02:50:16,680 --> 02:50:20,360
to offend the judge, just show how bad it is

2870
02:50:20,360 --> 02:50:21,280
to overcome that.

2871
02:50:21,280 --> 02:50:23,840
That often can be a good way to do it.

2872
02:50:23,840 --> 02:50:27,200
And so that's where your biggest weaknesses

2873
02:50:27,200 --> 02:50:30,480
is just trying to keep that per se,

2874
02:50:30,480 --> 02:50:32,800
or even alive and doing it.

2875
02:50:32,800 --> 02:50:37,640
I think for Jenny's, my biggest fear is truly,

2876
02:50:37,640 --> 02:50:40,240
you know, what we're not seeing right now.

2877
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:41,960
There is certainly something,

2878
02:50:41,960 --> 02:50:43,840
there's at least an oral conversation that happened,

2879
02:50:43,840 --> 02:50:46,560
if not written conversations that had happened,

2880
02:50:46,560 --> 02:50:51,560
as far as like, whether or not he was defending him.

2881
02:50:53,080 --> 02:50:56,040
I think that another area that hasn't really been discussed

2882
02:50:56,040 --> 02:50:58,480
is that I, you know, based off of the clip you sent me,

2883
02:50:58,480 --> 02:51:00,960
and you know, it doesn't need to be that strong,

2884
02:51:00,960 --> 02:51:02,760
I think Jenny's is probably gonna gear up

2885
02:51:02,760 --> 02:51:05,440
for some kind of counterclaim against Hassan Piker,

2886
02:51:05,440 --> 02:51:08,280
and they might go kind of make the whole thing

2887
02:51:08,280 --> 02:51:10,720
seem dramatic and stupid and petty.

2888
02:51:10,720 --> 02:51:11,880
So that the judge just kind of goes,

2889
02:51:11,880 --> 02:51:14,480
okay, what, two media people are mad at each other

2890
02:51:14,480 --> 02:51:16,240
'cause they were saying mean things about each other,

2891
02:51:16,240 --> 02:51:18,960
and I'm supposed to give a shit, right?

2892
02:51:18,960 --> 02:51:20,800
And then he goes, oh look, no, this is just like us

2893
02:51:20,800 --> 02:51:22,960
going back and forth as a big, you know, spat,

2894
02:51:22,960 --> 02:51:24,560
that's just what we do.

2895
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:26,200
I think that they can kind of play it off

2896
02:51:26,200 --> 02:51:28,160
or at least kind of put enough chaff in the air

2897
02:51:28,160 --> 02:51:32,760
to kind of make Hassan's claims seem a little cheaper.

2898
02:51:32,760 --> 02:51:34,760
So that's what I'd be looking for.

2899
02:51:34,760 --> 02:51:36,520
We've got, you know, he's filed it,

2900
02:51:36,520 --> 02:51:38,560
he's probably gonna achieve service some time this week

2901
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:39,720
or next week.

2902
02:51:39,720 --> 02:51:42,000
I would expect us to see an answer

2903
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:44,160
probably before things-- - Oh my God, Casa.

2904
02:51:44,160 --> 02:51:47,440
You know the hidden value, oh my God,

2905
02:51:47,440 --> 02:51:50,640
we haven't even thought of this yet, of course.

2906
02:51:50,640 --> 02:51:55,640
The secret double Israeli citizen, Israeli Zionist

2907
02:51:55,920 --> 02:51:58,600
ultra-nationalist settler judge

2908
02:51:58,600 --> 02:52:01,480
that will get this case landed on their deck.

2909
02:52:01,480 --> 02:52:06,680
- Yeah, that would be pretty damning, you know.

2910
02:52:06,680 --> 02:52:08,280
You know the coolest part would be

2911
02:52:08,280 --> 02:52:11,400
would be Hassan forcing his lawyers to file a request

2912
02:52:11,400 --> 02:52:14,400
for a refusal, that would be hilarious.

2913
02:52:14,400 --> 02:52:16,320
- Yeah, no shot, you think they would do that?

2914
02:52:16,320 --> 02:52:19,400
Like hypothetically, let's say they get like a, you know--

2915
02:52:19,400 --> 02:52:23,760
- Oh, it's Moishi Labivowicz and the judge here.

2916
02:52:23,760 --> 02:52:25,000
You think that Hassan would be like,

2917
02:52:25,000 --> 02:52:26,920
you can't be impartial, that would be fun.

2918
02:52:26,920 --> 02:52:29,160
- It's a fucking Reagan era judge

2919
02:52:29,160 --> 02:52:32,880
who served in the IDF before becoming an American citizen.

2920
02:52:32,880 --> 02:52:34,920
And he's like still practicing the DC surrogate

2921
02:52:34,920 --> 02:52:36,120
and he shows a move.

2922
02:52:36,120 --> 02:52:39,040
You know, oh, this is Hassan Pika, yeah.

2923
02:52:39,040 --> 02:52:41,840
- Ah, I've heard about this Hassan Pika.

2924
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:43,880
You're not a fan of the Jews.

2925
02:52:43,880 --> 02:52:46,160
- Yeah, oh my God, that'd be so funny.

2926
02:52:46,160 --> 02:52:48,920
- That'd be amazing, this shows up.

2927
02:52:48,920 --> 02:52:52,360
And then just Hassan, like immediately goes on stream

2928
02:52:52,360 --> 02:52:55,640
afterwards, like guys, I've always told you guys

2929
02:52:55,640 --> 02:52:58,240
to cut it out with a whole Jew talk or whatever.

2930
02:52:58,240 --> 02:52:59,080
- Oh, big fan.

2931
02:52:59,080 --> 02:53:00,640
- And he tries to like recover it or something.

2932
02:53:00,640 --> 02:53:02,240
That would be so cool.

2933
02:53:02,240 --> 02:53:03,480
That would be awesome.

2934
02:53:03,480 --> 02:53:06,600
- I will stand by one thing is that both of these people

2935
02:53:06,600 --> 02:53:11,600
are just fucking horrible and whoever wins, we win,

2936
02:53:11,920 --> 02:53:13,200
whoever loses, we win.

2937
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:14,800
And the only thing I can really hope for

2938
02:53:14,800 --> 02:53:18,160
is that it costs them both the maximum amount of money.

2939
02:53:18,160 --> 02:53:19,840
It takes as long as possible.

2940
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:23,160
And they're both dragged to the fucking dirt to get there.

2941
02:53:23,160 --> 02:53:25,600
That is truly the best W that we can get.

2942
02:53:25,600 --> 02:53:27,560
'Cause there is no losing for us.

2943
02:53:27,560 --> 02:53:30,640
It is only Ws, there are only bad people here.

2944
02:53:30,640 --> 02:53:33,200
And the more that this is going along,

2945
02:53:33,200 --> 02:53:36,480
the more expensive it is, the better it is for everyone.

2946
02:53:36,480 --> 02:53:37,320
- I agree.

2947
02:53:37,320 --> 02:53:39,320
I will caveat one thing though.

2948
02:53:39,320 --> 02:53:40,960
I think that, like I said earlier,

2949
02:53:40,960 --> 02:53:43,360
I don't think this is an enemy of my enemies or friend

2950
02:53:43,360 --> 02:53:44,280
in either direction.

2951
02:53:44,280 --> 02:53:46,000
You know, I think if anybody gets subpoenas,

2952
02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:47,000
they should obey them.

2953
02:53:47,000 --> 02:53:50,680
Everybody is asked to provide material, they should provide it.

2954
02:53:50,680 --> 02:53:53,120
That being said, I don't think anybody should be trying

2955
02:53:53,120 --> 02:53:53,960
to help us on.

2956
02:53:53,960 --> 02:53:55,120
I don't think anybody should be trying to help

2957
02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:56,800
Jennings in this, right?

2958
02:53:56,800 --> 02:53:59,920
I don't think that that's a good move for us either way.

2959
02:53:59,920 --> 02:54:03,800
I don't wanna, I don't think there's any benefit in,

2960
02:54:03,800 --> 02:54:04,640
I think--

2961
02:54:04,640 --> 02:54:05,480
- You know what it is?

2962
02:54:05,480 --> 02:54:06,320
You know what it is?

2963
02:54:06,320 --> 02:54:07,960
- Enough to pay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

2964
02:54:07,960 --> 02:54:10,880
- You know when there's a Yee versus Pepe vote?

2965
02:54:10,880 --> 02:54:12,520
And sometimes it's going too hard.

2966
02:54:12,520 --> 02:54:13,920
So people try to balance it.

2967
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:14,760
I would disagree.

2968
02:54:14,760 --> 02:54:15,600
- Yeah.

2969
02:54:15,600 --> 02:54:18,480
We need to make sure this is staying right as a 50/50

2970
02:54:18,480 --> 02:54:20,200
so they keep going as long as possible.

2971
02:54:20,200 --> 02:54:23,240
Absolutely, that needs, there needs to be more two voters.

2972
02:54:23,240 --> 02:54:25,600
Oh, more one voters, more one voters, more one vote.

2973
02:54:25,600 --> 02:54:28,560
The more two, two, two, two, just like that.

2974
02:54:28,560 --> 02:54:30,680
That's exactly like the best--

2975
02:54:30,680 --> 02:54:33,040
- You wanna place it both sides so you always win.

2976
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:33,880
I got you.

2977
02:54:33,880 --> 02:54:35,560
- No, no, the great thing in this case

2978
02:54:35,560 --> 02:54:38,840
is that it's all horrible people, right?

2979
02:54:38,840 --> 02:54:42,600
So either Hassan wins and you have like,

2980
02:54:42,600 --> 02:54:44,880
oh, that's good for people who are defaming

2981
02:54:44,880 --> 02:54:46,840
and that's fantastic for people that come against Hassan

2982
02:54:46,840 --> 02:54:48,120
in the future, that's good.

2983
02:54:48,120 --> 02:54:50,960
He's established that, you know, if you say something false

2984
02:54:50,960 --> 02:54:53,160
and you know that it's false, that it has real penalties

2985
02:54:53,160 --> 02:54:54,840
and there's costs there, that's fantastic.

2986
02:54:54,840 --> 02:54:56,080
And it's against a bad person.

2987
02:54:56,080 --> 02:54:56,920
Okay, good.

2988
02:54:56,920 --> 02:54:58,240
Or Hassan loses.

2989
02:54:58,240 --> 02:54:59,920
Ooh, sucks to be Hassan, he's out a bunch of--

2990
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:08,100
money. And, uh, you know, he looks like an idiot. Like this is just, there is no way that this is, uh, a negative

2991
02:55:08,100 --> 02:55:13,780
consequence for us is just, it's just awesome. I actually, you know what? I got the perfect

2992
02:55:13,780 --> 02:55:22,140
analogy. You want to be a juice stalker for both sides in this. You want to be the guy that holds all of the evidence that you

2993
02:55:22,140 --> 02:55:29,820
slowly drip feed to one side so that it bleeds the other side out, right? Where you're just like, Oh, okay, yeah,

2994
02:55:29,820 --> 02:55:35,340
here's, I've got all this evidence and I'll give it to you whenever you need it to make sure this keeps going on forever. I got

2995
02:55:35,340 --> 02:55:43,460
you. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't endorse that. Obviously, I think that would be an ethical and I think that us

2996
02:55:43,460 --> 02:55:50,740
keeping our hands dry and letting these two, you know, watching two idiots beat the shit out of each other for our entertainment is, is

2997
02:55:50,900 --> 02:55:56,820
all we need. I think it's a little bit anti semitic what you just said there just to throw all of those things out

2998
02:55:56,820 --> 02:56:02,380
there. I mean, just the totality of the statement that you've just done. But that's fine. I think it's okay to just look at

2999
02:56:02,380 --> 02:56:08,700
this. Like, uh, the two worst people are fighting and it's just fantastic to just sit back and let them do the thing. I

3000
02:56:08,700 --> 02:56:14,500
just don't want the fight to be over too quick. Is that too much? You know what? Dan, that's a perfectly defensible position that I

3001
02:56:14,500 --> 02:56:22,620
would never try to disabuse you of. Oh, okay. Fantastic. Yeah. I mean, for for the record potentially, I mean, not

3002
02:56:22,620 --> 02:56:28,060
accurately, but maybe like I, you can go back and watch me in Mr. Moon's first reaction when this drops and we're like,

3003
02:56:28,060 --> 02:56:37,620
holy shit. Okay. That's farther than we would go. Yeah. We said, uh, it's been very funny in the, in the like, comments

3004
02:56:37,620 --> 02:56:45,340
of my, you have my tweet where people were like, wow, this isn't that bad. I'm like, you've not seen clip like it's, it is

3005
02:56:45,340 --> 02:56:51,980
pretty bad. Like it, if it's not defamation, okay, that doesn't mean I don't think it's probably something that people should not

3006
02:56:51,980 --> 02:56:58,740
say ever or say it was very, it was just surprising, I think, to see that from someone that's not Hassan, that was the

3007
02:56:58,740 --> 02:57:03,060
shocking part. Like, if Hassan does that every day, so if like Hassan said something like, I don't, what do you want me to say?

3008
02:57:03,100 --> 02:57:09,700
That's Hassan. He does this every day. It was just shocking to see it from someone that wasn't Hassan, if that makes

3009
02:57:09,700 --> 02:57:16,700
sense. Yeah, like someone that doesn't really treat and that kind of like, like this isn't that kind of like practice that kind of

3010
02:57:16,700 --> 02:57:22,780
like action in their society and politics, stuff like that. It's just like, see someone like off the cuff just fucking

3011
02:57:22,780 --> 02:57:28,820
just like throw a haymaker like that. You're like, Oh, what the fuck? It was, it was unexpected is what I would say. Yeah,

3012
02:57:28,820 --> 02:57:39,340
that was, I mean, man, it's a real experience. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, when we start knowing things, when are we going to

3013
02:57:39,340 --> 02:57:46,300
become knowers about the songcase, we're going to get like service is probably going to be achieved this week or next week.

3014
02:57:46,660 --> 02:57:54,900
Answer is likely to happen around Thanksgiving time. If there's not, you might do a motion to dismiss before answering. So we

3015
02:57:54,900 --> 02:57:59,660
might get that a little sooner. If there's a motion to dismiss fight, that's going to probably take about two or three

3016
02:57:59,660 --> 02:58:07,260
months, I bet. And then there's, I believe there's a potential for kind of a mini hearing that would happen right after the

3017
02:58:07,260 --> 02:58:14,020
answer to, I can't remember exactly context for it. But I believe there's a chance for a mini hearing. And then after that, we

3018
02:58:14,020 --> 02:58:20,780
would have discovery. So I bet discovery starts somewhere in January area. We're not going to hear anything throughout the

3019
02:58:20,780 --> 02:58:24,940
discovery, unless there's a discovery fight, which probably would be so we'd probably hear something, we'd have discovery

3020
02:58:24,940 --> 02:58:30,300
start in January, then we'd probably start hearing stuff, maybe ecat around March, unless the sun starts talking about it

3021
02:58:30,300 --> 02:58:36,580
publicly. So I think it's on the lawsuit probably end about a year or so before destinies.

3022
02:58:38,060 --> 02:58:39,060
Sucks to be him.

3023
02:58:40,660 --> 02:58:45,900
Yes, Stephen. All right. Yeah. All right. Y'all are going to love everybody. Goodbye.

3024
02:58:49,540 --> 02:58:49,980
Well,

3025
02:58:53,580 --> 02:58:54,740
it's just me

3026
02:58:56,900 --> 02:58:57,420
and you

3027
02:58:59,420 --> 02:59:00,260
stop staring at me.

3028
02:59:07,260 --> 02:59:19,380
So how you guys doing? What do you guys do today?

3029
02:59:31,660 --> 02:59:33,100
Okay, that's exciting.

3030
02:59:35,700 --> 02:59:36,580
What else did you do?

3031
02:59:37,340 --> 02:59:41,740
Did you sleep OK?

3032
02:59:49,140 --> 02:59:55,100
Halloween is coming up. Are you guys excited? What are you dressing up as for for Halloween? Who has the most

3033
02:59:55,140 --> 02:59:59,620
interesting dress up? I'm very curious. I'd like to know.

3034
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:17,640
some very good suggestions that's fantastic what you guys are doing very

3035
03:00:17,640 --> 03:00:22,660
proud of you all of you hey except for you hey sit down

3036
03:00:22,660 --> 03:00:32,460
okay okay well

3037
03:00:32,460 --> 03:00:44,700
been using the Romans and Shurion I got online for the past four years well

3038
03:00:44,700 --> 03:00:49,140
let me tell you I have a cat outfit that I have gotten my fucking money's worth

3039
03:00:49,140 --> 03:01:18,980
out of I'm just this cat it's it's just it goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes and goes. So. Yeah. What else? Well, I mean, what's happening on the Internet today? Ooh, there's a big.

3040
03:01:19,140 --> 03:01:32,260
Battle brewing. That's three B's in a row. Because bad boy. Fuck, that's all I can do. There's a big battle brewing because bad behavior.

3041
03:01:37,700 --> 03:01:57,780
Benefits. Beloved edits on the Wikipedia page. Hassan Piker's wiki is in a battle on the talk page. It is ultra protected mode. They are going back and forth the talk page. They are.

3042
03:01:59,460 --> 03:02:11,860
Oh, my God. Accusations of Zionism. Accusations of dual citizenship. It is an entire story plot and TV show.

3043
03:02:14,740 --> 03:02:20,580
Directly on a page and it's amazing.

3044
03:02:25,860 --> 03:02:34,260
Hey, the clip I made got was getting some traction. Everyone's stealing it. Fantastic. I love it. You can steal all my clips, by the way. From Twitter.

3045
03:02:40,500 --> 03:02:49,620
Dan, why are you. Okay, I don't even know what that means.

3046
03:02:53,940 --> 03:03:03,300
Dan, the main thing is about that talk page is at the top, it says we are not talking about color gate. That is kind of interesting if you think about it because this is like a massive.

3047
03:03:05,780 --> 03:03:12,020
Would you say it's one of the biggest memes of 2026 and the fact that they just don't even want to address it on the page is very funny.

3048
03:03:14,100 --> 03:03:22,420
It's not like we're talking about like, oh, some, you know, niche thing like, oh, on the very low on the iceberg. Like this is.

3049
03:03:23,620 --> 03:03:28,900
This is pretty conclusive and they're keeping it from the people. The people.

3050
03:03:30,020 --> 03:03:36,660
Don't get to know the truth. Wikipedia suppressing knowledge. There should be a color gate fucking Wikipedia page, honestly.

3051
03:03:42,260 --> 03:03:44,980
That one is fucking our place coming back. God damn.

3052
03:03:53,620 --> 03:04:17,620
I'm not going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm all websiteed out. Also, isn't color gate.com that literally exists. I swear to God because I use that when I'm not going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm all websiteed out.

3053
03:04:23,620 --> 03:04:27,380
I made my video. There is color gate.com. You can go there.

3054
03:04:28,900 --> 03:04:32,740
But they ran out of effort. I'm not even joking. It exists.

3055
03:04:49,060 --> 03:04:54,180
It could only go three weeks. Holy shit.

3056
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:05,660
Thanks for everything you do.

3057
03:05:05,660 --> 03:05:09,200
What are your takes on dialectical materialism?

3058
03:05:09,200 --> 03:05:13,740
Here's a talk by Will H. Pounder, I think, will interest you.

3059
03:05:13,740 --> 03:05:20,740
H-T-T-P-S/W-W-W dot Aristotle Forward.

3060
03:05:20,740 --> 03:05:31,100
Dash, Peppa Turtle A-H-Y, 1-7, colon, Aristotle, Peppa Turtle.

3061
03:05:31,100 --> 03:05:34,840
I tied, tied, tied, tied, tied, tied, tied, tied, tied, tied, tied.

3062
03:05:34,840 --> 03:05:40,140
Aristotle, Peppa Turtle, every day of my life, and turned out fine.

3063
03:05:40,140 --> 03:05:59,340
Ah, ah, ah, ah, Aristotle, ah, Aristotle, Peppa Turtle, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, Peppa Turtle, Aristotle, Aristotle, Peppa Turtle, Aristotle, Aristotle, Peppa Turtle, ah, ah.

3064
03:05:59,340 --> 03:06:02,580
Canon, is Ray Ortle get a palace turtle?

3065
03:06:02,580 --> 03:06:07,020
No, but for real, the voice you hate is called Aiden, and it's the default voice.

3066
03:06:07,020 --> 03:06:13,020
Get jader to change the default voice, please.

3067
03:06:13,020 --> 03:06:26,820
Given the levels of motivated reasoning and shamelessness among figures in tech and politics, as you're well aware, I strongly recommend you watching the documentary, you can see everything, it is a masterpiece, see it in a theater.

3068
03:06:26,820 --> 03:06:43,820
Last week at lunch, Aristotle said to a classmate, "Can a Peppa Turtle borrow a French fry?" And my first thought wasn't, "Oh my god," he said the word. It was, "How is a Peppa Turtle gonna borrow a French fry?" Peppa Turtle is you gonna give it back.

3069
03:06:43,820 --> 03:06:48,820
That's a nice argument, Senator. Why don't you back it up with a source?

3070
03:06:48,820 --> 03:06:57,500
resources Aristotle pepo turtle ah ah Aristotle pepo turtle ah ah Aristotle

3071
03:06:57,500 --> 03:07:09,460
pepo turtle ah Aristotle pepo turtle ah ah ah ah ah how the fizz is on spinning

3072
03:07:09,460 --> 03:07:14,240
your guys reaction to the eighth inclined drama with out of context clips and is

3073
03:07:14,240 --> 03:07:30,040
he always doing that from the peppy to the EEG will be white-free from the PPP to

3074
03:07:30,040 --> 03:07:38,480
the aedg will be white-free did Hassan get his hand movements from this guy

3075
03:07:38,480 --> 03:07:50,600
https colon slash shorts slash arizo 8nefx qw was a way co-rescart co-puri i t f x q

3076
03:07:50,600 --> 03:08:01,000
hepari s s mr. Witherdefstein the you pathetic baboon Norman Finkelstein here

3077
03:08:01,000 --> 03:08:06,400
you stood right next to the Wither while it charged up and died the attack is

3078
03:08:06,400 --> 03:08:11,320
obvious no movement no thought nothing just watching yourself get killed this

3079
03:08:11,320 --> 03:08:15,680
is the same lazy approach you brought to our debate you attacked the Wither at

3080
03:08:15,680 --> 03:08:19,920
point blank range and then expressed surprise surprise a child of six

3081
03:08:19,920 --> 03:08:23,720
understands the flashing and you didn't even have a totem damning your soul

3082
03:08:23,720 --> 03:08:26,640
linked to genocide

3083
03:08:28,920 --> 03:08:35,400
hello there just donating to remove my mute thank you streamer mr. Bonachelli

3084
03:08:35,400 --> 03:08:41,920
also have some random sound clips

3085
03:08:49,480 --> 03:08:53,840
hey chat I'm terrified of playing Baldi's basics I know that I will never

3086
03:08:53,840 --> 03:08:57,720
beat the game and it will always be my white whale of a caveman's I have

3087
03:08:57,720 --> 03:09:02,360
accepted that I give up easily which is why I never made challenger

3088
03:09:06,400 --> 03:09:15,840
pudonki peppo cricket peppo cobra peppo copy ah ah peppo shark peppo

3089
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:24,040
leopard peppo starfish peppo left vent are Ergnan peppo tortoise peppo kangaroo

3090
03:09:24,040 --> 03:09:34,160
peppo coral peppo slug peppo stick bug are Ergnan peppo seal peppo turtle

3091
03:09:35,480 --> 03:09:39,240
thank you bogeymane for telling me about the deep fakes I've been jorkin my

3092
03:09:39,240 --> 03:09:43,160
shit for the past 46 hours straight

3093
03:09:47,160 --> 03:09:53,560
watch it Atriok literally did more than anyone ever to apologize and rectify

3094
03:09:53,560 --> 03:09:57,480
just watch the link

3095
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:07,000
Apologies Mr. Streamer man Bonachelli won't happen again. Here are some sound clips too. Enjoy.

3096
03:10:21,000 --> 03:10:28,000
Every band vindicates me even more. We can keep going through bad takes. Five dollars at a time.

3097
03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:33,000
Go ahead. I have enough saved up to last every day until next Christmas.

3098
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:40,000
Can a friend to get a Aristotle Peppa Turtle?

3099
03:10:40,000 --> 03:10:45,000
Frienda. A Aristotle. A Peppa Turtle. You must.

3100
03:10:45,000 --> 03:10:49,000
Can a muppet get some Aristotle Peppa Turtle?

3101
03:10:53,000 --> 03:10:58,000
Also we need some anti-man content to balance out the incel shit TBH fans.

3102
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:05,000
Im suing Scott Jennings for spreading an edited out of context clip of something I've said.

3103
03:11:05,000 --> 03:11:08,000
Good thing I have never done that to anyone.

3104
03:11:10,000 --> 03:11:15,000
Remember the Coastal Liberal elites? Maga used to cry about?

3105
03:11:15,000 --> 03:11:20,000
Turns out they were Coastal Tanky elites the entire time.

3106
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:27,000
This woman is a rage bait powerhouse. A factory that pumps out an endless stream of cringe bile

3107
03:11:27,000 --> 03:11:30,000
that would turn any man into an incel.

3108
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:38,000
I am a pathetic pay slave. Yes honey.

3109
03:11:38,000 --> 03:11:45,000
I will pay for more Aristotle Peppa Turtle ah ah Aristotle pokey turtle ah ah Aristotle pokey turtle.

3110
03:11:48,000 --> 03:11:53,000
Gary don't you know? I was wrong. I messed up and now you're gone.

3111
03:11:53,000 --> 03:11:59,000
WA whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa Gary I'm sorry I neglected you.

3112
03:11:59,000 --> 03:12:04,000
Oh I never expected you to run away and leave me feeling this empty.

3113
03:12:06,000 --> 03:12:10,000
Ormode is almost as much of a fag as Darius.

3114
03:12:13,000 --> 03:12:25,000
Mr. Maffin I am leaving you for my new boyfriend ah Aristotle long live Aristotle ah glory to Aristotle people turtle ah ah ah Aristotle people turtle ah

3115
03:12:25,000 --> 03:12:31,000
I love Aristotle ah ah people turtle ah ah ah I I I I I I I I I I love Aristotle.

3116
03:12:34,000 --> 03:12:38,000
Thank you for joining us. We're here to discuss ah Aristotle's stunning ascent to power.

3117
03:12:38,000 --> 03:12:41,000
Joining us tonight is Nico and Cenk from the Young Turks.

3118
03:12:41,000 --> 03:12:43,000
Thanks for having me. Peers.

3119
03:12:43,000 --> 03:12:47,000
Likewise listen I I I I I I love Aristotle. I

3120
03:12:50,000 --> 03:12:56,000
Now what you see here is the politics category of Twitch nothing special eh but you are wrong.

3121
03:12:56,000 --> 03:13:00,000
On the other side people are racist hate democracy and not open about it.

3122
03:13:03,000 --> 03:13:18,000
Barack Hussein Obama voted for a fellow named Aristotle folks say his a turtle a pepper turtle even I saw his ass and you know it was nice Aristotle I miss you

3123
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:23,000
Aristotle pepper turtle me and melanis love you Aristotle.

3124
03:13:26,000 --> 03:13:34,000
Hello DGG my name is ah Aristotle and I I have a very important message for destiny.

3125
03:13:34,000 --> 03:13:47,000
I Aristotle pepper turtle think that I I I I Aristotle pepper turtle ah ah Aristotle pepper turtle Aristotle pepper turtle ah I

3126
03:13:50,000 --> 03:13:58,000
Aristotle pepper turtle how I wonder what you are up above the chat so high like a sigma in the sky.

3127
03:13:58,000 --> 03:14:02,000
Aristotle Aristotle pepper turtle how I wonder what you are.

3128
03:14:04,000 --> 03:14:34,000
Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da

3129
03:14:34,000 --> 03:14:40,200
portals and pepper turtles for the glory of greater

3130
03:14:40,200 --> 03:14:47,040
now that pokamain has dealt it her vah time for the real debate of the week

3131
03:14:47,040 --> 03:14:51,960
which is worth saying the n-word

3132
03:14:51,960 --> 03:14:54,600
excuse me why did you cut off net yahoo

3133
03:14:54,600 --> 03:15:00,160
who is he uniting the air stodles on the what

3134
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:16,880
I'm going to ask why I saw this, yeah, we watched the whole fucking thing.

3135
03:15:16,880 --> 03:15:24,160
It will require America flipping to anti-Zionist, which will require a complete fumigation of

3136
03:15:24,160 --> 03:15:31,800
Washington, and here's the thing, it will require America.

3137
03:15:31,800 --> 03:15:47,120
I caught that, but I feel like these guys don't care about dog whistles or any bullshit.

3138
03:15:47,120 --> 03:16:10,840
And when I come to me, I'm going to tell them the real story of Arnold, but Arnold Palmer

3139
03:16:10,840 --> 03:16:20,600
was all man, and I say that in all due respect to women, and I love women, but this guy, this

3140
03:16:20,600 --> 03:16:24,840
guy, this is a guy that was all man.

3141
03:16:24,840 --> 03:16:32,240
This man was strong and tough, and I refuse to say it, but when he took showers with the

3142
03:16:32,240 --> 03:16:40,680
other pros, they came out of there, they said, "Oh my God, that's unbelievable."

3143
03:16:40,680 --> 03:16:44,160
I had to say it, I had to say it.

3144
03:16:44,160 --> 03:16:49,160
We have women that are highly sophisticated here, but they used to look at Arnold as a

3145
03:16:49,160 --> 03:16:51,600
band, but he was really something special.

3146
03:16:51,600 --> 03:16:53,060
Arnold was something special.

3147
03:16:53,060 --> 03:17:09,640
I said, "When I come here, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to say."

3148
03:17:09,640 --> 03:17:13,160
They still call it the Charlie Kirk Show, isn't that kind of...

3149
03:17:13,160 --> 03:17:14,960
Yeah, this is a guy who...

3150
03:17:14,960 --> 03:17:15,960
Reset.

3151
03:17:15,960 --> 03:17:16,960
A trial.

3152
03:17:16,960 --> 03:17:22,240
It gets us, and essentially deprive people of their civil rights by messing up their votes,

3153
03:17:22,240 --> 03:17:25,840
and they denied this repeatedly, and that was why these challenges failed.

3154
03:17:25,840 --> 03:17:29,760
They said, "You can argue that it looks like that, but you don't have proof.

3155
03:17:29,760 --> 03:17:32,360
The Times has the proof in spades.

3156
03:17:32,360 --> 03:17:35,920
They got a former employee on this campaign to come forward and say, "Yeah, this was centrally

3157
03:17:35,920 --> 03:17:37,400
planned by our campaign.

3158
03:17:37,400 --> 03:17:38,600
They made plans to fund it.

3159
03:17:38,600 --> 03:17:40,280
They made all the plans to find the potential people.

3160
03:17:40,280 --> 03:17:43,320
They are fling away, got into his Nissan, got the license plate number, so the police

3161
03:17:43,320 --> 03:17:45,800
officer that this guy was the one that fled the scene."

3162
03:17:45,800 --> 03:17:46,800
Hemisphere, this is our playground.

3163
03:17:46,800 --> 03:17:50,600
This is our sandbox, and this kind of crap should not be happening in the Western Hemisphere.

3164
03:17:50,600 --> 03:17:56,040
We should not stand by idly and allow Brazil to act like a thuggish, third-world kleptocracy.

3165
03:17:56,040 --> 03:17:59,440
The dictatorship is what it is now, and they have weaponized the judicial system, but good

3166
03:17:59,440 --> 03:18:00,440
for his family.

3167
03:18:00,440 --> 03:18:01,440
Okay?

3168
03:18:01,440 --> 03:18:02,440
Good for him and his family that...

3169
03:18:02,440 --> 03:18:06,120
Oh, I was like, wait, they're against us, like giving safe passage and rescuing the

3170
03:18:06,120 --> 03:18:08,640
student and letting him take refuge in the United States, but he's talking about the

3171
03:18:08,640 --> 03:18:10,520
people that want the luba or whatever.

3172
03:18:10,520 --> 03:18:11,520
They got up.

3173
03:18:11,520 --> 03:18:13,280
Flavia Bolsonaro, his passport was canceled.

3174
03:18:13,280 --> 03:18:14,720
He was forced to flee by Lula.

3175
03:18:14,720 --> 03:18:21,680
Alexandria Demores, the insane attack dog of Lula, who is this judge that has completely

3176
03:18:21,680 --> 03:18:22,680
weaponized the law.

3177
03:18:22,680 --> 03:18:23,680
Did judicial dictatorship?

3178
03:18:23,680 --> 03:18:24,680
It's absolutely what they have there.

3179
03:18:24,680 --> 03:18:25,680
Did you see exactly how he got out, by the way?

3180
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:26,680
It's pretty funny.

3181
03:18:26,680 --> 03:18:27,680
Yeah.

3182
03:18:27,680 --> 03:18:28,680
Tell me about it.

3183
03:18:28,680 --> 03:18:29,680
Yeah.

3184
03:18:29,680 --> 03:18:32,680
So the way they confiscated one of his passports or canceled it, and right back into this...

3185
03:18:32,680 --> 03:18:33,680
I'll be able to do that.

3186
03:18:33,680 --> 03:18:34,680
Absolutely, absolutely.

3187
03:18:34,680 --> 03:18:35,680
Get them a try.

3188
03:18:35,680 --> 03:18:36,680
PatriotMobile.com/Charlie or call 972.

3189
03:18:36,680 --> 03:18:39,320
Patriot, use the promo code "Charlie" for a free month of service, you know, international

3190
03:18:39,320 --> 03:18:42,640
roaming, mobile hotspots, unlimited data plans, and 100% U.S.-based customer support, right

3191
03:18:42,640 --> 03:18:43,640
down there in Texas.

3192
03:18:43,640 --> 03:18:44,640
God bless them.

3193
03:18:44,640 --> 03:18:46,360
They can't wait to connect with them soon.

3194
03:18:46,360 --> 03:18:47,360
All right.

3195
03:18:47,360 --> 03:18:49,880
Without further ado, we have a really fun segment, couple segments here for the rest of this

3196
03:18:49,880 --> 03:18:50,880
hour.

3197
03:18:50,880 --> 03:18:53,320
Tim Miller, host of The Bullwork Podcast, and author of Why We Did It.

3198
03:18:53,320 --> 03:18:54,320
Tim, welcome to the show.

3199
03:18:54,320 --> 03:18:55,320
It's good to have you.

3200
03:18:55,320 --> 03:18:56,320
Hey, Andrew.

3201
03:18:56,320 --> 03:18:57,320
Thanks for hosting me, man.

3202
03:18:57,320 --> 03:18:58,320
And everybody here.

3203
03:18:58,320 --> 03:18:59,320
As you said, we're going to disagree a lot.

3204
03:18:59,320 --> 03:19:00,320
So I just do want to stay at the top.

3205
03:19:00,320 --> 03:19:02,320
Like you said, I want to impress them for a year for, I don't know, like, four years,

3206
03:19:02,320 --> 03:19:04,760
and you guys are always really welcome to me, and Charlie was always nice.

3207
03:19:04,760 --> 03:19:05,760
I never got to debate them.

3208
03:19:05,760 --> 03:19:06,760
I think you were blocking that.

3209
03:19:06,760 --> 03:19:07,760
We kind of wanted to do that.

3210
03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:08,760
So I wish I would have had the chance to do that.

3211
03:19:08,760 --> 03:19:14,800
I mean, I was just -- They were blocking debates last year, and then I've been doubly horrified.

3212
03:19:14,800 --> 03:19:16,000
I've spread conspiracy theories about it, or that cheered it on.

3213
03:19:16,000 --> 03:19:19,280
And I find any of that despicable, and I'm grateful that you guys are having me on, because

3214
03:19:19,280 --> 03:19:20,280
that's what it's about.

3215
03:19:20,280 --> 03:19:21,280
We can have open debate.

3216
03:19:21,280 --> 03:19:22,280
We can disagree.

3217
03:19:22,280 --> 03:19:23,280
Nice.

3218
03:19:23,280 --> 03:19:24,280
That's good.

3219
03:19:24,280 --> 03:19:25,280
He built a bridge to their side.

3220
03:19:25,280 --> 03:19:26,280
I can't wait to see how they're going to build a bridge back to him.

3221
03:19:26,280 --> 03:19:27,280
You're going to, Charlie, a lot?

3222
03:19:27,280 --> 03:19:28,280
We're going to disagree a lot.

3223
03:19:28,280 --> 03:19:29,280
But that's one place of agreement.

3224
03:19:29,280 --> 03:19:30,280
Yeah, no, for sure.

3225
03:19:30,280 --> 03:19:31,280
And I know that about you, Tim.

3226
03:19:31,280 --> 03:19:33,680
And you were very kind in the aftermath, and I knew it was heartfelt, and I knew you

3227
03:19:33,680 --> 03:19:34,680
meant it.

3228
03:19:34,680 --> 03:19:36,120
And from there, we're all humans.

3229
03:19:36,120 --> 03:19:39,360
We can disagree, you have some of the worst ideas and takes I've ever seen.

3230
03:19:39,360 --> 03:19:42,440
On the entire Internet, I'm always just like, "You should have texted you behind this,"

3231
03:19:42,440 --> 03:19:43,440
and he's like, "What are you talking about?

3232
03:19:43,440 --> 03:19:44,960
Where are you getting this stuff from?"

3233
03:19:44,960 --> 03:19:46,960
So why don't you just introduce yourself really quickly, briefly.

3234
03:19:46,960 --> 03:19:50,480
You used to be a Republican, you used to work in Republican politics, you were a consultant.

3235
03:19:50,480 --> 03:19:54,440
You wrote a whole memoir kind of, you know, "Maya Colpa, I was contributing to some toxicity

3236
03:19:54,440 --> 03:19:55,440
in the country."

3237
03:19:55,440 --> 03:19:57,040
So explain your path here.

3238
03:19:57,040 --> 03:19:58,040
Yeah.

3239
03:19:58,040 --> 03:20:00,040
Look, I came up with Republican politics as a communication-

3240
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:03,440
guy, press secretary. I worked traditionally for the more moderate candidates, you know,

3241
03:20:03,440 --> 03:20:08,720
so we didn't have a lot of Ws. I worked for John McCain in '08, Romney in '12 on the RNC side,

3242
03:20:08,720 --> 03:20:13,760
and then Jeb, exclamation point in '16 with some winning races in the middle of that, you know,

3243
03:20:13,760 --> 03:20:17,600
in the mid-term years. But look, I always saw myself as kind of a moderate, squishy Republican

3244
03:20:18,320 --> 03:20:22,720
when Trump came down to escalate, or I think as a political matter, I obviously misjudged his

3245
03:20:22,720 --> 03:20:28,320
strength. But I think that I accurately judged his character, and I didn't like what he was arguing

3246
03:20:28,320 --> 03:20:32,320
for the country. I don't like what his view of America is. I think he's a very dark view of America

3247
03:20:32,320 --> 03:20:36,800
that's fundamentally odd to what Reagan argued for. The fact that we were a shining city on a hill,

3248
03:20:36,800 --> 03:20:43,600
and that this was, you know, a welcoming country. And so I flipped. Oh, what? He's watching Dave

3249
03:20:43,600 --> 03:20:50,320
Slop. There's an overwhelming seat of support for their opposition. Nice. And I think that

3250
03:20:50,320 --> 03:20:54,640
microteaks of the Trump Party have borne themselves out. We can hash that out a few minutes. I went

3251
03:20:54,640 --> 03:20:57,760
through a period of the wilderness, and now I have a daily podcast. We're competitors. I think I'm

3252
03:20:57,760 --> 03:21:00,400
beating in the charts right now. I think you are. I think you are. You're doing great. Honestly,

3253
03:21:00,400 --> 03:21:04,800
your show blew. The most surprising development of your career is how successful your podcast is,

3254
03:21:04,800 --> 03:21:08,320
but I will give you. I will concede that point. Blake had a point anyway. Well, I guess you're

3255
03:21:08,320 --> 03:21:12,240
saying you believe your critiques have been borne out. And I think, sorry, I'm going to get very

3256
03:21:12,240 --> 03:21:16,240
combative here. We're six days out from mid-term. I think you ran representing, for example,

3257
03:21:16,240 --> 03:21:20,960
Jeb Bush. I was just looking up how Jeb Bush reacted to Donald Trump's rhetoric on immigration

3258
03:21:20,960 --> 03:21:25,360
on securing the border. And what Jeb Bush said is that Donald Trump's plan was unrealistic.

3259
03:21:25,360 --> 03:21:29,520
We are here 10 years later, and we have actually have a secured border, which was never secured

3260
03:21:29,520 --> 03:21:34,080
under Jeb's brother. It was never secured under Obama. It was willfully open to an incredibly

3261
03:21:34,080 --> 03:21:38,880
malignant degree under Joe Biden. We now have a secure border. How does that represent a bad

3262
03:21:38,880 --> 03:21:43,600
trajectory for the GOP that we actually have people who are illegal visa overstays being

3263
03:21:43,600 --> 03:21:47,760
arrested and deported from the country, like a lot of people, including Jeb Bush, promise to do,

3264
03:21:47,760 --> 03:21:51,360
it is now actually happening. And I just feel like we've seen that a lot with Donald Trump,

3265
03:21:51,360 --> 03:21:54,320
and you may dislike his rhetoric a lot. We dislike his rhetoric a lot sometimes,

3266
03:21:54,320 --> 03:21:59,120
like the Rob Reiner post. But it strikes me that we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.

3267
03:21:59,120 --> 03:22:03,840
This is an administration that more than any other we have seen actually seems hyper-focused on

3268
03:22:03,840 --> 03:22:07,760
delivering promises that were fake promises from the GOP for a very long time.

3269
03:22:09,120 --> 03:22:11,920
Well, I just agree with a lot more about Trump and his rhetoric. I could just agree with his

3270
03:22:11,920 --> 03:22:15,440
actions. I guess we'll just start right there. I just want to put the border aside. I'm going

3271
03:22:15,440 --> 03:22:18,160
to come back to it. I think there are a bunch of other issues where he's betrayed you guys,

3272
03:22:18,160 --> 03:22:22,320
and he's betrayed his promises in the base. I don't agree with that. I mean, he started a war of choice

3273
03:22:22,320 --> 03:22:27,520
that is making us less prepared in the world from military perspective. It is costing us a lot of

3274
03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:31,360
money. It's cost us lives, and it's making things more expensive for people at home. So he's betrayed

3275
03:22:31,360 --> 03:22:35,120
his promise when it comes to lowering cost to people. He's betrayed his promise about not getting us

3276
03:22:35,120 --> 03:22:39,360
into dumb wars in the Middle East. And he's also really betrayed his promise to an unimaginable

3277
03:22:39,360 --> 03:22:42,720
degree about draining the swamp. He's running the most corrupt presidency that we've had in

3278
03:22:42,720 --> 03:22:46,000
American history by a wide margin. So we can discuss any of those things if you want. On the immigration

3279
03:22:46,000 --> 03:22:51,280
side of things, look, he has secured the border. And I acknowledge that. And I think that that is...

3280
03:22:51,280 --> 03:22:56,000
You don't have to acknowledge that. That's bullshit. Has he secured the border? Yeah, but through

3281
03:22:56,000 --> 03:23:01,760
executive order that is legally questionable with no immigration legislation whatsoever. These are

3282
03:23:01,760 --> 03:23:05,440
all just temporary stop gaps. It's insane that he gets credit even for that. He shouldn't. He can't

3283
03:23:05,440 --> 03:23:09,840
do anything correctly. You don't have to give somebody credit. As liberals, I understand we go on these

3284
03:23:09,840 --> 03:23:12,640
shows and we feel this urge where we've got to give him props for something. We don't want to come

3285
03:23:12,640 --> 03:23:17,040
off as unhinged or bad faith. And it's like, no, he didn't really do anything comprehensive with

3286
03:23:17,040 --> 03:23:20,480
the border at all. If you really feel strongly about the border stuff, then you should be just as

3287
03:23:20,480 --> 03:23:26,080
upset that all of this shit could literally disappear in the microsecond. A Democrat comes back into

3288
03:23:26,080 --> 03:23:31,760
office. It's probably the one thing from this administration that he could point to as a success.

3289
03:23:31,760 --> 03:23:36,320
But unfortunately, it's come with some extremely anti-American actions that I think speak to what

3290
03:23:36,320 --> 03:23:40,080
Jeb's critique was, that it is unrealistic to do what he said to do unless you want to act

3291
03:23:40,080 --> 03:23:43,920
in a way that is contrary to the rule of law and the way that we do things in this country. I mean,

3292
03:23:43,920 --> 03:23:48,320
he has masked agents in the street shooting people down. We don't even get to see... Hold on, let's push

3293
03:23:48,320 --> 03:23:52,960
back on that. That's not true. We have masked agents in our streets like it's East Germany

3294
03:23:52,960 --> 03:23:55,600
right now. We can't even see the face of the ice. Do you realize we don't get to know who they are?

3295
03:23:55,600 --> 03:23:59,680
Well, hold on. There is a whole doxing campaign on the radical left to target

3296
03:23:59,680 --> 03:24:02,640
the ice agent and their families. I understand. But I've been doxed. You've been doxed. We're

3297
03:24:02,640 --> 03:24:08,640
here showing our doxing campaigns. I hate that this language made its way to the real world.

3298
03:24:13,920 --> 03:24:18,960
Faces. I'm sorry. If you work public figures, I'm not knocking on doors of illegal aliens or

3299
03:24:18,960 --> 03:24:24,720
trying to pay them. That's your response? If they're paid? If they're paid? These guys used to say

3300
03:24:24,720 --> 03:24:28,800
that shit all the time about government officials. You're our servants. You're public servants. We

3301
03:24:28,800 --> 03:24:35,280
pay your salary. Or by me, if the government, if the government is paid for by me, I get to know

3302
03:24:35,280 --> 03:24:38,240
what they're doing. And that's why I get to fool you their information. I don't think this

3303
03:24:38,240 --> 03:24:40,880
administration is hiding. I get to know what their business dealings are. Like, yes, they're

3304
03:24:40,880 --> 03:24:44,320
governments. We pay for the witness protection program. Should we abolish that? No more witness

3305
03:24:44,320 --> 03:24:46,400
protection program? No. I mean, look, obviously that they're accepted.

3306
03:24:49,040 --> 03:24:56,000
He really thinks he's cooking on that. Oh, so then no witness protection then, right?

3307
03:24:56,000 --> 03:24:59,600
Oh, I can't have mass agents murdering in the streets. Oh, so what?

3308
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:03,680
Are doctors not allowed to wear masks in the surgery room now? Oh, really?

3309
03:25:06,400 --> 03:25:09,680
Epson's that's different than having a whole campaign where people don't show their faces.

3310
03:25:09,680 --> 03:25:11,200
No, I say just trying to face it. I think that's bad.

3311
03:25:11,200 --> 03:25:13,760
I also think that we are detaining not just piece over stairs.

3312
03:25:13,760 --> 03:25:17,200
We have people in a detention center right now that were legal green card holders.

3313
03:25:17,200 --> 03:25:21,200
We stripped their visa. There's a young man in Dilly Detention Center right now in Texas.

3314
03:25:21,200 --> 03:25:24,400
His grandma was, I guess, one of the Iranian hostage takers.

3315
03:25:24,400 --> 03:25:27,280
He was here legally. He did everything right. He was a green card holder.

3316
03:25:27,280 --> 03:25:30,160
Rubio stripped his green card and he's been in there for 200 days.

3317
03:25:31,120 --> 03:25:34,320
We are detaining people indefinitely without due process in this country.

3318
03:25:34,320 --> 03:25:38,480
So I think the way that they've handled the interior enforcement of immigration has been

3319
03:25:38,480 --> 03:25:41,040
abhorrent and against the American tradition.

3320
03:25:41,040 --> 03:25:45,680
Was it against American tradition? Was it against American tradition? Pivot.

3321
03:25:45,680 --> 03:25:49,760
Was it against, to open our borders? For us to have a de facto open border? For us to...

3322
03:25:49,760 --> 03:25:52,720
Technically, no, it's not. But that's not what you're really trying to get out.

3323
03:25:52,720 --> 03:25:56,880
Except obvious lies from people seeking asylum. Was it it part of the American tradition?

3324
03:25:56,880 --> 03:25:59,680
To just essentially ignore a huge number of our laws?

3325
03:25:59,680 --> 03:26:02,640
Is it ignoring America's laws to have sanctuary cities and just to...

3326
03:26:02,640 --> 03:26:06,080
Well, it's actually separation of states and federal power.

3327
03:26:06,080 --> 03:26:07,920
That's where the federalized system is actually really big deal.

3328
03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:12,640
You guys remember also. You guys also used to complain about this all the fucking time.

3329
03:26:12,640 --> 03:26:16,880
The separate state governments being separate from the executive federal government.

3330
03:26:16,880 --> 03:26:20,240
But you know, I know conservatives have no values or principles on any of these things anymore.

3331
03:26:20,240 --> 03:26:23,040
They used to cry about this all the time. States right, states right, but that's okay.

3332
03:26:23,040 --> 03:26:26,000
Billie Nilly basically say you're allowed to break a lot of come here.

3333
03:26:26,000 --> 03:26:28,800
I feel like that is a far greater violation of our traditions.

3334
03:26:30,000 --> 03:26:33,040
Well, I don't know. I think the agents of the state murdering American citizens in the streets

3335
03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:35,600
is a bigger front. And taking green card holders and shit.

3336
03:26:35,600 --> 03:26:37,200
Are you talking about the terrorists?

3337
03:26:37,200 --> 03:26:40,480
They're talking about the terrorists. Alex Pretti.

3338
03:26:40,480 --> 03:26:43,760
The guy who was fighting in the streets. No, he won't bring up that.

3339
03:26:43,760 --> 03:26:49,520
He'll say the guy who we saw him a week before beating the shit out of poor cop cars and vans.

3340
03:26:49,520 --> 03:26:54,000
And Renee Goode who tried to run over several officers who was part of an activist organization

3341
03:26:54,000 --> 03:26:56,880
trying to block ice for doing their job.

3342
03:26:56,880 --> 03:26:58,480
May good. Is that what you're referring to?

3343
03:26:58,480 --> 03:26:59,120
Okay. Yes.

3344
03:26:59,120 --> 03:27:00,240
I mean, in both of those ends,

3345
03:27:00,240 --> 03:27:02,880
does Tim think that I'm so curious for the media bubbles that live in?

3346
03:27:02,880 --> 03:27:05,520
Does Tim think that these people think that those killings were unjustified?

3347
03:27:05,520 --> 03:27:08,880
Because these guys are absolutely about to defend the fuck out of these things.

3348
03:27:08,880 --> 03:27:10,480
But I don't know, actually, I don't know.

3349
03:27:10,480 --> 03:27:13,600
Denses in the streets is a bigger front and taking green card holders.

3350
03:27:13,600 --> 03:27:15,840
Are you talking about Alex Pretti and Renee Goode?

3351
03:27:15,840 --> 03:27:16,960
Is that what you're referring to?

3352
03:27:16,960 --> 03:27:17,600
Okay. Yes.

3353
03:27:17,600 --> 03:27:20,880
I mean, in both of those instances, I mean, listen, here's what's going to happen.

3354
03:27:20,880 --> 03:27:23,760
We quibble about did the agents perform their duties exactly right?

3355
03:27:23,760 --> 03:27:26,800
But in both of those instances, there was obstructionism happening.

3356
03:27:26,800 --> 03:27:28,480
Willful obstructionism. They were trained.

3357
03:27:28,480 --> 03:27:30,080
They were part of an activist network quibbling.

3358
03:27:30,080 --> 03:27:30,960
Got it. Got it.

3359
03:27:30,960 --> 03:27:35,120
My point here is, though, if you listen, I don't want anybody to die.

3360
03:27:35,120 --> 03:27:36,240
I don't want anybody to die.

3361
03:27:36,240 --> 03:27:40,320
And if you don't want to put your lives on the line and go abstract law enforcement

3362
03:27:40,320 --> 03:27:44,480
when they're carrying out lawful actions to do exactly what we voted for,

3363
03:27:44,480 --> 03:27:48,800
which is to get illegals out of this country, then you're putting your life on the line when you do that.

3364
03:27:48,800 --> 03:27:49,840
You're putting your life on the line.

3365
03:27:49,840 --> 03:27:51,120
And by the way, all of the air cover.

3366
03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:53,520
Cops aren't, cops give wear masks.

3367
03:27:53,520 --> 03:27:56,160
Or that the media gives these people is part of the problem.

3368
03:27:56,160 --> 03:27:58,720
Because you're encouraging the, you're calling them a Gestapo.

3369
03:27:58,720 --> 03:28:01,040
You're calling them Nazis. You're calling them all these, you're dehumanizing.

3370
03:28:01,040 --> 03:28:05,200
When I started drinking warm water to help me lose weight, my friends laughed at me.

3371
03:28:05,200 --> 03:28:08,720
But when they saw how fast I was changing, they started doing it themselves.

3372
03:28:08,720 --> 03:28:09,200
Ooh.

3373
03:28:09,200 --> 03:28:12,320
Apparently thousands of women are already doing this every night.

3374
03:28:12,320 --> 03:28:13,200
What are they doing?

3375
03:28:13,200 --> 03:28:13,600
Really?

3376
03:28:13,600 --> 03:28:14,480
By adding one.

3377
03:28:14,480 --> 03:28:16,000
This is not AI, by the way, this is real.

3378
03:28:16,000 --> 03:28:16,480
This is real. This is real.

3379
03:28:16,480 --> 03:28:17,120
This is real. This is real.

3380
03:28:17,120 --> 03:28:18,160
This is real. This is real.

3381
03:28:18,160 --> 03:28:20,400
You've probably heard that as you get older,

3382
03:28:20,400 --> 03:28:22,400
your body will never be the same.

3383
03:28:22,400 --> 03:28:25,920
You'll have to accept it's harder to lose the extra pounds around your waist.

3384
03:28:25,920 --> 03:28:26,240
Okay.

3385
03:28:26,240 --> 03:28:29,120
The shapeless baggy clothes and unflattering photos.

3386
03:28:29,120 --> 03:28:29,680
I don't want to accept that.

3387
03:28:29,680 --> 03:28:30,800
And the aches and pain.

3388
03:28:30,800 --> 03:28:31,360
I see them.

3389
03:28:31,360 --> 03:28:32,080
And guess what happens?

3390
03:28:32,080 --> 03:28:34,160
A bunch of crazy people go and try and put their bodies on the line

3391
03:28:34,160 --> 03:28:35,600
or ram them with their cars.

3392
03:28:35,600 --> 03:28:36,560
And bad things are going to happen.

3393
03:28:36,560 --> 03:28:37,040
That's crazy.

3394
03:28:37,040 --> 03:28:40,000
So putting that all on ice, putting that all on federal law.

3395
03:28:40,000 --> 03:28:42,320
Nobody wants it or an A good to die more than the left.

3396
03:28:42,320 --> 03:28:43,600
I think that's very obvious.

3397
03:28:43,600 --> 03:28:44,400
They have made plans.

3398
03:28:44,400 --> 03:28:46,880
And they put, no, that is not an insane thing to say.

3399
03:28:46,880 --> 03:28:49,600
They directly encourage these people with their DRS tactics.

3400
03:28:49,600 --> 03:28:52,160
They want them to get right in the face of police

3401
03:28:52,160 --> 03:28:53,920
because they know that will create the friction

3402
03:28:53,920 --> 03:28:56,480
that can cause a scandal where there's going to be a mistaken shooting.

3403
03:28:56,480 --> 03:28:58,320
A mistake and someone tries to get.

3404
03:28:58,320 --> 03:28:59,520
So people are rooting for that.

3405
03:28:59,520 --> 03:29:00,560
It's 100% they are.

3406
03:29:00,560 --> 03:29:03,200
They want 100% are and they were enthusiastic when it happened.

3407
03:29:03,200 --> 03:29:04,720
Just like they're an enthusiast.

3408
03:29:04,720 --> 03:29:05,840
That is 100% the case.

3409
03:29:05,840 --> 03:29:07,840
So I think you're projecting a lot of evil things

3410
03:29:07,840 --> 03:29:08,880
and it's all traits that aren't true.

3411
03:29:08,880 --> 03:29:09,440
Projecting.

3412
03:29:09,440 --> 03:29:10,800
You think I want them to get shot?

3413
03:29:10,800 --> 03:29:10,960
Yes.

3414
03:29:10,960 --> 03:29:12,320
I don't want people to get shot.

3415
03:29:12,320 --> 03:29:14,880
I don't want people to get shot by and legal to be led into this country.

3416
03:29:14,880 --> 03:29:16,160
What?

3417
03:29:16,720 --> 03:29:18,480
You seem perfectly fine with the fact that they got murdered.

3418
03:29:18,480 --> 03:29:19,840
I'm not fine with the fact that they got shot.

3419
03:29:19,840 --> 03:29:23,440
But what I'm saying is that they are positively causing such things.

3420
03:29:23,440 --> 03:29:25,120
They are inevitably going to cause such things.

3421
03:29:25,120 --> 03:29:25,600
It's inevitable.

3422
03:29:25,600 --> 03:29:27,520
When you encourage people not to protest ICE,

3423
03:29:27,520 --> 03:29:29,200
you want to protest ICE, that's fine.

3424
03:29:29,200 --> 03:29:32,320
What they do is they actively get in the face of ICE.

3425
03:29:32,320 --> 03:29:34,720
They actively follow and harass ICE agents.

3426
03:29:34,720 --> 03:29:37,840
They actually try to block the vote for ICE agents.

3427
03:29:37,840 --> 03:29:40,080
They are trying to hinder law enforcement efforts.

3428
03:29:40,080 --> 03:29:41,920
And when you hinder law enforcement efforts,

3429
03:29:41,920 --> 03:29:43,360
when they are trying to enforce the law,

3430
03:29:43,360 --> 03:29:45,760
you are injecting unnecessary friction.

3431
03:29:45,760 --> 03:29:46,800
Police, they are scared.

3432
03:29:46,800 --> 03:29:48,240
They're worried that people will pull guns on them.

3433
03:29:48,240 --> 03:29:49,440
Worried that they'll use violence on them,

3434
03:29:49,440 --> 03:29:51,360
which is how other ICE shootings have happened.

3435
03:29:51,360 --> 03:29:54,640
And they hear these things that creates friction where somebody can die.

3436
03:29:54,640 --> 03:29:55,600
I don't want people to die.

3437
03:29:55,600 --> 03:29:58,400
And the best way to not die is to not interrupt and harass

3438
03:29:58,400 --> 03:29:59,840
and bother police doing their job.

3439
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,680
King I mean Alex, but I just we're not going to be on the ground and he shot in the back of the head by a person in a mask

3440
03:30:05,680 --> 03:30:07,680
So that's just what happened

3441
03:30:08,760 --> 03:30:12,600
This guy and don't him I'm just telling you what's happened. I don't know so Tim

3442
03:30:12,600 --> 03:30:19,220
How about this? Well, you acknowledge that there are actual activist networks that train people how to obstruct ice that there are these these

3443
03:30:19,480 --> 03:30:26,080
Soccer groups that go out and they they locate ice trucks or vehicles in their community. They stock them. There's been ramings

3444
03:30:28,100 --> 03:30:33,140
Like I said doxing so these people are under threat to Blake's point. They are feeling very under threat man

3445
03:30:33,140 --> 03:30:35,140
The people that are under threat. I'm sorry if you want to throw it

3446
03:30:35,140 --> 03:30:40,180
We have we took legal asylum holders based on their tattoos and we sent them to a foreign Gulak

3447
03:30:40,180 --> 03:30:44,720
Yeah, for un with with no due process. Yeah for unlimited detention

3448
03:30:44,720 --> 03:30:45,480
Yeah, that is what we did

3449
03:30:45,480 --> 03:30:50,600
We took a gay hairdresser a guy that was a volunteer and an autism awareness fundraiser because they were here fleeing communism

3450
03:30:50,600 --> 03:30:54,700
They came to the land of milk and honey and we went and we had masked guys go into their homes

3451
03:30:54,700 --> 03:30:58,840
Take them shackled them send them to a foreign prison with no due process for unlimited detention

3452
03:30:58,840 --> 03:31:00,040
How do we know those people were at threat?

3453
03:31:00,040 --> 03:31:03,600
And if there were people in the community that wanted to go out there and try to protect them from that threat

3454
03:31:03,600 --> 03:31:06,480
I'm okay with it. That's where we are. We're gonna agree on the tapping of the border

3455
03:31:06,480 --> 03:31:08,840
We totally disagree on what is happening with interior detention

3456
03:31:10,320 --> 03:31:14,480
The problem is you're wrong, and I'm not gonna remember he built that bridge earlier with the border

3457
03:31:14,480 --> 03:31:16,480
See this why you don't build bridges to people who are

3458
03:31:18,320 --> 03:31:21,820
All of it every single thing we talk about in true schizo fashion

3459
03:31:21,820 --> 03:31:25,680
All of it goes hand-in-hand with the theories of how people practice power today

3460
03:31:26,520 --> 03:31:29,120
the reason why Tim is a liberal and

3461
03:31:30,120 --> 03:31:38,040
He wants to build a bridge towards them because he thinks there's some like shared axiomatic foundation that they want to agree with

3462
03:31:38,200 --> 03:31:40,400
Right that that's gonna cause them to kind of like work

3463
03:31:42,180 --> 03:31:46,080
Within the same framework, but they're not they're totally in a totally room space

3464
03:31:46,080 --> 03:31:48,360
This is why when you try to build a bridge towards any of these people

3465
03:31:48,360 --> 03:31:53,420
It doesn't end up working because they're never gonna reciprocate because they view you as like an evil you're an enemy

3466
03:31:53,420 --> 03:31:55,420
You're fundamentally like an enemy

3467
03:31:56,240 --> 03:32:00,920
And you let in whatever the number are you okay with sending people to a foreign prison based on their tattoos without you

3468
03:32:00,920 --> 03:32:05,360
I don't know that's for you. So I can't even you don't know this you he I can't say it hold on

3469
03:32:06,160 --> 03:32:08,160
Okay, sorry

3470
03:32:10,360 --> 03:32:13,760
Okay, sorry almost got arrested by the FBI there for what I was about to say

3471
03:32:15,360 --> 03:32:21,040
You probably shouldn't be talking about anything having to do with immigration politics if you're not aware of the whole El Salvador everything

3472
03:32:21,040 --> 03:32:25,400
You probably just I don't know why you would even have an opinion on anything

3473
03:32:30,040 --> 03:32:34,160
I'm sorry. Do you guys not read the letting when you let in whatever the number are you okay with sending people to a

3474
03:32:34,160 --> 03:32:37,840
Foreign prison based on their tattoos without two products so I can't even confirm

3475
03:32:37,840 --> 03:32:41,800
I'm sorry. Do you guys not read the news? You know secant. We had an El Salvador foreign prison

3476
03:32:43,040 --> 03:32:45,520
Story back to their home countries. Yeah, the biggest

3477
03:32:46,880 --> 03:32:48,880
Foreign

3478
03:32:48,880 --> 03:32:53,800
Sending people back to their home countries is that their home countries getting the way of it happening and you know what if they're home

3479
03:32:53,800 --> 03:32:55,800
Countries

3480
03:32:57,880 --> 03:33:00,040
Based on their tattoos and sending them to foreign prison

3481
03:33:06,280 --> 03:33:08,280
My first amendment hell yeah

3482
03:33:09,480 --> 03:33:13,840
Yes, no, they weren't guys watch that watch the 60 minutes report watch the watch the news

3483
03:33:15,880 --> 03:33:19,880
That the guy claimed to be gay while having a wife and kids that that's actually no no no no we're talking

3484
03:33:20,320 --> 03:33:23,200
Gay with a wife and kids. What is this guy a Republican?

3485
03:33:24,080 --> 03:33:26,080
Just checked

3486
03:33:26,280 --> 03:33:30,740
Gay which apparently his literal report says he claims he's gay. That's why he got asylum here

3487
03:33:30,760 --> 03:33:34,840
Didn't stop me having a kid. I thought it was where the government tweeted out calling somebody fake in gas

3488
03:33:34,840 --> 03:33:39,280
I thought that's a weird thing for the government to do but I think it's weird for our government to give asylum to people who claim

3489
03:33:39,280 --> 03:33:42,200
They're gay and have heterosexual families. I think that's weird

3490
03:33:42,200 --> 03:33:44,800
I think that's a lot more offensive to me than them using the word game

3491
03:33:44,800 --> 03:33:50,500
Everything about the case I guess I think it's telling that you just really want to spend the time focused on this and you ignored all the other

3492
03:33:50,500 --> 03:33:55,200
Failing so the Trump administration that I started with I asked him like not anything else and then you answered with other stuff

3493
03:33:55,200 --> 03:33:58,520
I asked about the other saying but we're now we've now been here 15 minutes

3494
03:33:58,520 --> 03:34:01,760
We won't we talk about the Iran war that he started as a war of choice and that has caused massive

3495
03:34:02,520 --> 03:34:04,520
The world

3496
03:34:07,440 --> 03:34:14,600
Millions of dollars like making the types of money that Hunter Biden could only dream from like Kazakhstan and from the UAE and from crypto coins

3497
03:34:14,600 --> 03:34:16,680
We could talk about why we there's a bunch of other issues

3498
03:34:16,680 --> 03:34:21,420
We're talking about let me let's just let's just wrap up this this topic because I do think it's important

3499
03:34:21,420 --> 03:34:28,880
I think ultimately when you let in millions of people through the border. Yeah, that are illegals that shouldn't be here mass chaos all of this

3500
03:34:29,960 --> 03:34:37,160
Fixing that problem is very challenging. Okay, and my problem with the left is that they tend to pick these story here or story here

3501
03:34:37,160 --> 03:34:43,360
We're dealing with hundreds of thousands of these. Okay, you're not gonna get everything precisely right and demanding 100 percent

3502
03:34:43,360 --> 03:34:45,360
The shit happened argument, you know

3503
03:34:47,320 --> 03:34:49,880
We don't have to be 100 percent perfect this guy's absolutely right

3504
03:34:50,920 --> 03:34:53,320
But in the case when we make mistakes

3505
03:34:53,880 --> 03:34:55,200
maybe

3506
03:34:55,200 --> 03:34:57,200
we should like

3507
03:34:57,200 --> 03:35:00,000
Investigate it maybe maybe when things happen

3508
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:03,280
that are bad. Maybe we should like investigate it at least, maybe?

3509
03:35:03,280 --> 03:35:08,160
This is messy business, getting people out of your country. But the problem started because

3510
03:35:08,160 --> 03:35:11,480
ultimately the left wants open borders. They don't believe in sovereignty. And that is

3511
03:35:11,480 --> 03:35:16,920
my larger issue here. So I think, listen, we can move on if you want, but that is ultimately

3512
03:35:16,920 --> 03:35:21,760
dynamic here. We're fixing a problem that was started that was so massive. And so I think

3513
03:35:21,760 --> 03:35:25,360
diabolical and really damaging to the country that it's, listen, it's going in the right

3514
03:35:25,360 --> 03:35:28,400
direction. I think the people are the people on our side are very happy with it. All right.

3515
03:35:28,400 --> 03:35:31,920
So we want to go to the next topic. Is this the floor is yours? Which one of your topics

3516
03:35:31,920 --> 03:35:35,880
you want? I guess we went through the list of Donald Trump the trails. And I think that

3517
03:35:35,880 --> 03:35:39,520
he basically ran, you know, we can, we can agree that the border was one of the things.

3518
03:35:39,520 --> 03:35:43,020
But the other main issues that he was running on were making things more affordable for Americans,

3519
03:35:43,020 --> 03:35:47,680
not getting us into stupid wars, not having, you know, folks who speak and draining the

3520
03:35:47,680 --> 03:35:54,880
swamp and all of that has been a disaster. You realize under Joe Biden that the, the

3521
03:35:54,880 --> 03:36:02,400
per capita earning went down $3,000 per family, $3,000. And had thing that went up, and it

3522
03:36:02,400 --> 03:36:06,560
went up another like 900 before the around war started, granted it, but that is wages

3523
03:36:06,560 --> 03:36:09,640
rising faster than inflation is the way you fix affordability. Yeah, the economy was getting

3524
03:36:09,640 --> 03:36:12,440
better at the end of the Joe Biden administration and was getting better at the beginning of

3525
03:36:12,440 --> 03:36:16,640
the administration. So all I hear is all I hear about solutions from the left is, Oh,

3526
03:36:16,640 --> 03:36:18,760
we're going to make things more affordable. Trump has made it not affordable. What are the

3527
03:36:18,760 --> 03:36:21,920
what are their ideas that actually make things affordable? Well, the main idea of stopping

3528
03:36:21,920 --> 03:36:26,200
all the stupid stuff he did. Because if Donald Trump had done nothing, except for golf and

3529
03:36:26,200 --> 03:36:30,520
built the ball, when he got in there and just hung out and tweeted, the interest rates would

3530
03:36:30,520 --> 03:36:33,960
be way lower, cost would be lower for everybody in the economy doing better. He did he had

3531
03:36:33,960 --> 03:36:38,840
two massive self-inflicted wounds by creating an insane, you know, top down run tariff regime

3532
03:36:38,840 --> 03:36:43,120
based on his personal whims. And then starting a war of choice in Iran that nobody wanted

3533
03:36:43,120 --> 03:36:47,560
that has no end in sight. The results of those two decisions has been massive increase in

3534
03:36:47,560 --> 03:36:52,120
interest rates, massive increase in gas prices, massive increase in food prices for Americans.

3535
03:36:52,120 --> 03:36:55,880
So I think the first thing we could do is to deal the stupid tariffs and block his ability

3536
03:36:55,880 --> 03:37:00,000
to do tariffs at whim because the Congress should be in charge of taxation as the Constitution

3537
03:37:00,000 --> 03:37:04,400
says. And then we should stop the war in Iran. And unfortunately, we'll end up in a worse

3538
03:37:04,400 --> 03:37:08,240
situation than we were before he started it. But at this point, they've made a horrible

3539
03:37:08,240 --> 03:37:12,600
bed. And the only thing to do is to try to get a deal that would help open up to the

3540
03:37:12,600 --> 03:37:16,320
two strates, both in hormones and volleyball. Like the Democrats could do nothing else except

3541
03:37:16,320 --> 03:37:19,360
those two things. And that would be a huge help to afford abilities. I think there are

3542
03:37:19,360 --> 03:37:22,760
other things I can do as well. I'm a little I'm kind of you say he ran in this promise

3543
03:37:22,760 --> 03:37:26,360
of no words. We actually we looked at Trump. We looked at that and he actually never said

3544
03:37:26,360 --> 03:37:29,160
no new wars. He actually never said that at all.

3545
03:37:29,160 --> 03:37:33,800
It's a list of 20 promises that he ran on in 2020. And actually no wars is not one of

3546
03:37:33,800 --> 03:37:39,000
him. He does say he's going to restore peace in the Middle East and in and we were frank,

3547
03:37:39,000 --> 03:37:42,480
we were grading each promise and we said this was not a kept promise. Yeah, we gave that

3548
03:37:42,480 --> 03:37:50,080
one a B minus. Yeah, nonetheless, no new wars is not a promise that what I would add is

3549
03:37:50,080 --> 03:37:53,160
we looked at all of the other promises. And I think if you were to compare them to a list

3550
03:37:53,160 --> 03:37:57,280
of Joe Biden promises or George W Bush promises or frankly, even Trump promises in his first

3551
03:37:57,280 --> 03:38:01,520
term, I think again, this is an aggressive promise keeping administration. Another one

3552
03:38:01,520 --> 03:38:05,200
that I think a lot of people are very happy about. He made a promise. No other prior Republican

3553
03:38:05,200 --> 03:38:08,720
would make or at least not keep if they made it. Which is we're going to roll back DEI

3554
03:38:08,720 --> 03:38:14,120
CRT. We're going to stop discriminating against Americans based on their skin color. You were

3555
03:38:14,120 --> 03:38:17,240
complaining that it was discriminatory. We're arresting people based on tattoos, but it

3556
03:38:17,240 --> 03:38:22,920
was the norm for decades in this country for us to allow like Andrews children, any children.

3557
03:38:22,920 --> 03:38:26,160
I would have my sisters who have children that they can be discriminated against based

3558
03:38:26,160 --> 03:38:30,160
on their skin color. And I just think you're mad about Donald Trump on the swamp. The whole

3559
03:38:30,160 --> 03:38:33,560
idea of all of this was that it would accrue to the benefit of the American people and

3560
03:38:33,560 --> 03:38:36,320
that Americans lives would be better. Americans lives are worse because interest rates are

3561
03:38:36,320 --> 03:38:40,600
skyrocketing. Gas and oil prices are up. And meanwhile, him and his family is getting richer

3562
03:38:40,600 --> 03:38:44,160
and richer. And he started a stupid war that's going to have massive consequences for decades

3563
03:38:44,160 --> 03:38:47,480
to come. My life is better because the government doesn't say I'm a second class citizen based

3564
03:38:47,480 --> 03:38:51,160
on my skin color. I think that matters a lot for my way of life. I think that matters a

3565
03:38:51,160 --> 03:38:55,680
great deal. And I think you're being hugely dismissive of something that tens of millions

3566
03:38:55,680 --> 03:38:59,160
of people were victimized by. There's not like a bunch of white guys that are doing better

3567
03:38:59,160 --> 03:39:03,040
now than they were before. They're doing worse manufacturing jobs are down, costs are up.

3568
03:39:03,040 --> 03:39:06,480
Like you guys haven't grabbed with the fact that like this whole idea was that Trump was

3569
03:39:06,480 --> 03:39:11,120
going to be like an attack on the deep state, an attack on the socialist left that's making

3570
03:39:11,120 --> 03:39:15,960
everybody's lives worse. And the reality is, is he's running as like a kind of tinpot socialist

3571
03:39:15,960 --> 03:39:20,660
dictator with a state-run economy where he gets to bully companies and help out his friends

3572
03:39:20,660 --> 03:39:24,960
and help out the oligarchs is the aesthetics of a social glasses. Let you see sharp at any

3573
03:39:24,960 --> 03:39:30,400
distance inside each lens is a layer of Optiflex fluid and adaptive optical with the changes

3574
03:39:30,400 --> 03:39:34,720
the lens focus to match your vision instantly. Now this is a game changer because one, it

3575
03:39:34,720 --> 03:39:38,640
means you're done with switching glasses all the time. Do they turn dark automatically

3576
03:39:38,640 --> 03:39:43,640
in bright outdoor settings? That's amazing. We have like dear leader pictures all over

3577
03:39:43,640 --> 03:39:47,280
Washington DC. He's now bribing voters like he's a socialist like he's running as like

3578
03:39:47,280 --> 03:39:54,480
a right wing nationalist socialist. Everybody's costs are more. You guys don't have a clear

3579
03:39:54,480 --> 03:39:58,600
message for how to fix that, how to make things better for people. He has the aesthetics of

3580
03:39:58,600 --> 03:39:59,820
of a socialist you're complaining.

3581
03:39:59,820 --> 03:40:00,660
- Yeah.

3582
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:02,600
You're in support of the side that has actual socialism.

3583
03:40:02,600 --> 03:40:03,600
Who will do socialism?

3584
03:40:03,600 --> 03:40:04,920
Who will do rent control?

3585
03:40:04,920 --> 03:40:07,480
Let's destroy Tesla because it's bad.

3586
03:40:07,480 --> 03:40:09,200
- You guys are doing socialism right now.

3587
03:40:09,200 --> 03:40:10,360
I've never, this is the most socialist

3588
03:40:10,360 --> 03:40:12,120
administration we've had since FDR.

3589
03:40:12,120 --> 03:40:13,480
Donald Trump has a state run economy.

3590
03:40:13,480 --> 03:40:14,760
He's taken stakes in businesses.

3591
03:40:14,760 --> 03:40:16,840
He's controlling the means of production

3592
03:40:16,840 --> 03:40:18,560
in Venezuela and stealing their resources

3593
03:40:18,560 --> 03:40:19,400
and bringing it to us.

3594
03:40:19,400 --> 03:40:22,680
He's bribing, offering voters a $5,000 bribe.

3595
03:40:22,680 --> 03:40:24,400
He's friends with all of the socialist dictators

3596
03:40:24,400 --> 03:40:25,240
all over the world.

3597
03:40:25,240 --> 03:40:26,400
The only part of socialism that Donald Trump

3598
03:40:26,400 --> 03:40:28,240
doesn't like is socialist healthcare.

3599
03:40:28,240 --> 03:40:29,960
So people can have access to free healthcare.

3600
03:40:29,960 --> 03:40:31,000
Like that's the only part of socialism

3601
03:40:31,000 --> 03:40:32,000
that Donald Trump doesn't like.

3602
03:40:32,000 --> 03:40:33,840
He's doing everything else, but he's just doing a right.

3603
03:40:33,840 --> 03:40:34,640
He's running a right wing,

3604
03:40:34,640 --> 03:40:37,440
soft authoritarian, national socialist administration

3605
03:40:37,440 --> 03:40:39,280
that's making people's lives worse.

3606
03:40:39,280 --> 03:40:40,600
That's what this administration is.

3607
03:40:40,600 --> 03:40:42,320
- Let me address some of the things you talked about

3608
03:40:42,320 --> 03:40:43,920
with the wars 'cause that's where this started.

3609
03:40:43,920 --> 03:40:46,680
So the Ukraine war, actually, people now know this.

3610
03:40:46,680 --> 03:40:48,600
The price of diesel, for example.

3611
03:40:48,600 --> 03:40:51,120
That is a direct result of what's happening in Ukraine, right?

3612
03:40:51,120 --> 03:40:52,400
'Cause Ukraine's going up there.

3613
03:40:52,400 --> 03:40:55,320
- No, it was Ukraine bombing the oil,

3614
03:40:55,320 --> 03:40:58,880
so that's the only reason oil's expensive.

3615
03:40:58,880 --> 03:41:00,240
- Owning the Russian refineries.

3616
03:41:00,240 --> 03:41:01,680
Yeah, that had a huge impact on the global prices.

3617
03:41:01,680 --> 03:41:02,520
- You just look at the chart of the diesel price.

3618
03:41:02,520 --> 03:41:03,360
- The diesel price started going up, right?

3619
03:41:03,360 --> 03:41:04,200
When we started the Iran war.

3620
03:41:04,200 --> 03:41:07,280
- So which party likes to shut down refineries?

3621
03:41:07,280 --> 03:41:08,600
- Well, look, here's the thing, Andrew.

3622
03:41:08,600 --> 03:41:10,200
Like that would have been a really compelling argument

3623
03:41:10,200 --> 03:41:11,600
if Trump had done what he had promised,

3624
03:41:11,600 --> 03:41:12,940
like you guys said, and came in and said,

3625
03:41:12,940 --> 03:41:14,800
"Hey, what we're gonna do is liquid gold,

3626
03:41:14,800 --> 03:41:16,960
we're gonna do more production here,

3627
03:41:16,960 --> 03:41:18,560
and we're not gonna get involved in the world."

3628
03:41:18,560 --> 03:41:20,480
- Hold on, that would be great energy shock.

3629
03:41:20,480 --> 03:41:23,440
- Who wants to shut down the finers in the US?

3630
03:41:23,440 --> 03:41:25,240
- Well, I mean, I think there's some Democrats

3631
03:41:25,240 --> 03:41:26,800
in some states that do other Democrats that don't.

3632
03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:27,960
It's a mix in the Democratic party.

3633
03:41:27,960 --> 03:41:29,520
But what we've seen now is from the last two

3634
03:41:29,520 --> 03:41:32,240
Republican administrations is they've created oil shocks.

3635
03:41:32,240 --> 03:41:33,080
- So hold on.

3636
03:41:33,080 --> 03:41:33,920
- Global oil shocks are lost.

3637
03:41:33,920 --> 03:41:34,760
- There's a waste of re-guys.

3638
03:41:34,760 --> 03:41:35,600
- So it's like, Greek can't even get--

3639
03:41:35,600 --> 03:41:36,440
- Build refineries.

3640
03:41:36,440 --> 03:41:37,280
- Do Democrats answer if Democrats want

3641
03:41:37,280 --> 03:41:38,700
to shut down refineries?

3642
03:41:38,700 --> 03:41:39,540
- Well, not all Democrats do.

3643
03:41:39,540 --> 03:41:40,400
- What states ban fracking?

3644
03:41:40,400 --> 03:41:43,500
What states actually wage war on fossil fuels?

3645
03:41:43,500 --> 03:41:44,340
- This is a mix.

3646
03:41:44,340 --> 03:41:45,180
There's really--

3647
03:41:45,180 --> 03:41:46,000
- It's really rich.

3648
03:41:46,000 --> 03:41:46,840
- It's really rich.

3649
03:41:46,840 --> 03:41:47,840
- It's really rich for the party that is being--

3650
03:41:47,840 --> 03:41:48,680
- It's just in the Senate case.

3651
03:41:48,680 --> 03:41:53,680
Here we go, Mary Peltola, Roy Cooper, these are the Senate candidates, none of them are trying to shut down refineries, they all want to--

3652
03:41:53,680 --> 03:42:01,680
- Well, hold on, you know that's crap, because we've, like, do you think any Democrat is going to derail a Democratic administration if they attack fossil fuels?

3653
03:42:01,680 --> 03:42:06,680
- Like during the Biden administration, we were producing more oil and natural gas than we ever had in the history of the country.

3654
03:42:06,680 --> 03:42:07,680
- True, what happened?

3655
03:42:07,680 --> 03:42:08,680
- Like, what are you guys talking about?

3656
03:42:08,680 --> 03:42:09,680
Gas prices were coming down.

3657
03:42:09,680 --> 03:42:10,680
- True.

3658
03:42:10,680 --> 03:42:15,680
- Gas prices were going to be as low as they'd been when we did the handoff to Donald Trump in ages, because we were producing oil and natural gas.

3659
03:42:15,680 --> 03:42:18,680
- Did you tell Biden-- - Did you tell Biden--

3660
03:42:18,680 --> 03:42:22,680
- Didn't Joe Biden deliberately drain the strategic petroleum reserve so he could get, like, a 10-second--

3661
03:42:22,680 --> 03:42:24,680
- Deliberately, drain?

3662
03:42:24,680 --> 03:42:28,680
Yeah, he opened the reserves because prices were getting insane because the entire fucking world was going crazy.

3663
03:42:28,680 --> 03:42:29,680
Yeah, what do you mean?

3664
03:42:29,680 --> 03:42:30,680
That's what you're supposed to do?

3665
03:42:30,680 --> 03:42:33,680
If you think that's bad, gas was draining them even faster!

3666
03:42:33,680 --> 03:42:34,680
Donald Trump is!

3667
03:42:34,680 --> 03:42:35,680
What are you talking about?

3668
03:42:35,680 --> 03:42:37,680
Donald Trump is draining the reserves and fucking record speeds, bro.

3669
03:42:37,680 --> 03:42:40,680
I've never seen a line that's so close to being vertical in my entire life!

3670
03:42:40,680 --> 03:42:44,680
- You know, a mitigation of gas prices going into the term.

3671
03:42:44,680 --> 03:42:45,680
- You know what, Trump did the same thing?

3672
03:42:45,680 --> 03:42:47,680
- Don't care, moving on, don't care, moving on.

3673
03:42:47,680 --> 03:42:49,680
Why did Biden do it?

3674
03:42:49,680 --> 03:42:52,680
Entire world coming off of a supply shock from COVID?

3675
03:42:52,680 --> 03:42:55,680
Fucking war between Russia and Ukraine?

3676
03:42:55,680 --> 03:42:57,680
Why did Trump do it?

3677
03:42:57,680 --> 03:43:01,680
Because of a war that he started for no fucking reason with Iran.

3678
03:43:01,680 --> 03:43:03,680
Literally nobody asked for this.

3679
03:43:03,680 --> 03:43:09,680
This is the most unforced mistake of all time.

3680
03:43:09,680 --> 03:43:15,680
I recall, in 2020, Trump wanted to fill the strategic petroleum reserve while oil was free

3681
03:43:15,680 --> 03:43:17,680
due to a free historical circumstance.

3682
03:43:17,680 --> 03:43:20,680
Oil was literally basically zero dollars due to the shock of COVID.

3683
03:43:20,680 --> 03:43:24,680
And it was blocked by Democrats because they didn't want a bailout of big oil.

3684
03:43:24,680 --> 03:43:25,680
- Congrats, man.

3685
03:43:25,680 --> 03:43:26,680
- You can endlessly complain.

3686
03:43:26,680 --> 03:43:27,680
- Go to the gas station!

3687
03:43:27,680 --> 03:43:29,680
- You're going to endlessly nitpick something.

3688
03:43:29,680 --> 03:43:30,680
- Go to the gas station!

3689
03:43:30,680 --> 03:43:31,680
- You're going to endlessly nitpick something.

3690
03:43:31,680 --> 03:43:32,680
- Go to the gas station.

3691
03:43:32,680 --> 03:43:33,680
I'm having a pre-war level.

3692
03:43:33,680 --> 03:43:34,680
It's actually above pre-war levels.

3693
03:43:34,680 --> 03:43:36,680
Those ships are going to take a little while to get into port.

3694
03:43:36,680 --> 03:43:39,680
And they're above pre-war, what, what?

3695
03:43:39,680 --> 03:43:46,680
Strategic oil reserves.

3696
03:43:46,680 --> 03:43:48,680
Graph chart, what's the thing that measures the...

3697
03:43:48,680 --> 03:43:55,680
Fuck, is it this sign?

3698
03:43:55,680 --> 03:44:02,680
[laughter]

3699
03:44:02,680 --> 03:44:05,680
Hold on.

3700
03:44:05,680 --> 03:44:08,680
So, uh...

3701
03:44:08,680 --> 03:44:10,680
What's going on here?

3702
03:44:10,680 --> 03:44:11,680
What's going on here?

3703
03:44:11,680 --> 03:44:13,680
Pre-war, pre-what war?

3704
03:44:13,680 --> 03:44:19,680
What the fuck war is this guy talking about?

3705
03:44:19,680 --> 03:44:24,680
He's saying the Strait of War moves is higher?

3706
03:44:24,680 --> 03:44:25,680
- Then get refined.

3707
03:44:25,680 --> 03:44:26,680
- No, no.

3708
03:44:26,680 --> 03:44:27,680
- The issue is, is that the damage oil...

3709
03:44:27,680 --> 03:44:30,680
- Dude, like, here's a lot of the Middle East are back to pre-war levels.

3710
03:44:30,680 --> 03:44:31,680
They're actually above pre-war levels.

3711
03:44:31,680 --> 03:44:34,680
Those ships are going to take a little while to get into port and then get refined.

3712
03:44:34,680 --> 03:44:37,680
The issue is, is that the immigrants on those ships is going to be massive forever.

3713
03:44:37,680 --> 03:44:38,680
- We don't even...

3714
03:44:38,680 --> 03:44:39,680
- We don't even...

3715
03:44:39,680 --> 03:44:40,680
- We started to fuss over Iran.

3716
03:44:40,680 --> 03:44:41,680
- Right.

3717
03:44:41,680 --> 03:44:42,680
- This is a bigger question.

3718
03:44:42,680 --> 03:44:43,680
You can...

3719
03:44:43,680 --> 03:44:45,680
- I want 100% of oil prices went up, gas prices went up because of the Iran war.

3720
03:44:45,680 --> 03:44:46,680
- I didn't like the Iran war.

3721
03:44:46,680 --> 03:44:47,680
- It started.

3722
03:44:47,680 --> 03:44:48,680
- I don't like the Iran war.

3723
03:44:48,680 --> 03:44:49,680
- It's still going up.

3724
03:44:49,680 --> 03:44:50,680
- These are different.

3725
03:44:50,680 --> 03:44:56,680
- We need a shock created by a conflict and the systematic hatred of fossil fuels end of oil as an industry...

3726
03:44:56,680 --> 03:44:57,680
- Guys.

3727
03:44:57,680 --> 03:44:58,680
- As a...

3728
03:44:58,680 --> 03:44:59,680
- As a hydrocarbon.

3729
03:44:59,680 --> 03:45:00,680
That exactly.

3730
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:05,240
this on the left and it's not just a shock acknowledge that it's not just a shock like

3731
03:45:05,240 --> 03:45:08,320
lasted two weeks and it went back down this is going on all year now he says it's going

3732
03:45:08,320 --> 03:45:12,360
to escalate the war after the midterms regular people are like really suffering right now

3733
03:45:12,360 --> 03:45:17,960
by the by the by some random energy shopping that stupid as you know nearly doubling down

3734
03:45:17,960 --> 03:45:22,360
the systematic war against fossil fuels so to hear them say that they're going to be the

3735
03:45:22,360 --> 03:45:26,360
ones to fix they're going to fix the oil problem or the energy price problem is just ridiculous

3736
03:45:26,360 --> 03:45:30,680
and we both know that's why they want solar fields they want everything sustainable they

3737
03:45:30,680 --> 03:45:35,000
don't want to know what the Trump administration has done a great job of permitting easing up

3738
03:45:35,000 --> 03:45:39,040
on permitting requests opening up new energy sources so it the two parties are so it's

3739
03:45:39,040 --> 03:45:42,600
like years apart on this issue like they are because the republic party is the only one

3740
03:45:42,600 --> 03:45:45,880
that is twice caused massive energy shocks that has created a huge problem for people

3741
03:45:45,880 --> 03:45:49,600
this has happened every time the democratic part is not right which is actually why people

3742
03:45:49,600 --> 03:45:53,760
feel the affordability issue I mean it's gonna take time to climb up and interest rates are

3743
03:45:53,760 --> 03:45:58,400
now but we we only talk about it I get to sound like a republican right now they're

3744
03:45:58,400 --> 03:46:01,640
back at the highest they've been in decades because in addition to all the stuff we've

3745
03:46:01,640 --> 03:46:05,480
been talking about oh man they're edging right now the problem Tim doesn't realize you guys

3746
03:46:05,480 --> 03:46:12,280
are edging are you guys ready for the fucking splooge of what about the debt what about

3747
03:46:12,280 --> 03:46:16,760
the debt that doesn't matter right now because these guys are the spenders who I cannot wait

3748
03:46:16,760 --> 03:46:22,520
for these guys to remember how important the national debt is the micro second now well

3749
03:46:22,520 --> 03:46:24,880
The question is, will it happen when Dems take over Congress?

3750
03:46:24,880 --> 03:46:27,160
It will happen when we get to them president hopefully in 2028.

3751
03:46:27,160 --> 03:46:28,800
Then when do they go back to caring about the debt?

3752
03:46:28,800 --> 03:46:31,160
'Cause it is the single most important thing

3753
03:46:31,160 --> 03:46:32,120
facing our generation.

3754
03:46:32,120 --> 03:46:33,040
You remember hearing that, right?

3755
03:46:33,040 --> 03:46:34,880
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over

3756
03:46:34,880 --> 03:46:35,960
and over and over and over and over and over and over

3757
03:46:35,960 --> 03:46:36,800
and over and over and over and over and over and over

3758
03:46:36,800 --> 03:46:37,640
and over and over and over and over and over and over

3759
03:46:37,640 --> 03:46:38,640
and over and over and over and over and over and over

3760
03:46:38,640 --> 03:46:39,480
and over and over and over and over and over and over

3761
03:46:39,480 --> 03:46:40,320
and over and over and over and over and over and over

3762
03:46:40,320 --> 03:46:41,160
and over and over and over and over and over and over

3763
03:46:41,160 --> 03:46:42,000
and over and over and over and over and over and over

3764
03:46:42,000 --> 03:46:42,840
over and over and over and over and over and over and over

3765
03:46:42,840 --> 03:46:58,120
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

3766
03:46:58,120 --> 03:47:15,040
You think the Democrats are going to let us bounce budget?

3767
03:47:15,040 --> 03:47:18,080
Like fine, mom is nicer, she lets you do crazy shit.

3768
03:47:18,080 --> 03:47:22,240
But dad is the one that at the end of the day has to say no, but that's not true.

3769
03:47:22,240 --> 03:47:31,040
That here is a Fenty heroine alcohol, Benzo addict, Republican spend like lunatics, every

3770
03:47:31,040 --> 03:47:38,800
single massive fucking expenditure, the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, the fucking everything

3771
03:47:38,800 --> 03:47:41,120
related right now to the Iran war.

3772
03:47:41,120 --> 03:47:46,800
When Donald Trump came in, the Trump tax cuts and jobs act like everything is cut receipts,

3773
03:47:46,800 --> 03:47:50,520
cut revenue, cut cut cut cut cut cut cut, never change any spending ever, never.

3774
03:47:50,520 --> 03:47:53,720
Trump on his own is going to be responsible for like a third of our fucking debt by the

3775
03:47:53,720 --> 03:47:54,720
times out of office.

3776
03:47:54,720 --> 03:47:59,800
I do not understand how Republicans constantly get away with being, well, at the very least,

3777
03:47:59,800 --> 03:48:03,320
you know, they're the big boys we have to bring in to talk about our debt and our spending.

3778
03:48:03,320 --> 03:48:04,560
It's crazy.

3779
03:48:04,560 --> 03:48:05,560
It's crazy.

3780
03:48:05,560 --> 03:48:06,560
Here's.

3781
03:48:06,560 --> 03:48:07,560
Come on.

3782
03:48:07,560 --> 03:48:10,560
I think that there's probably a way to do it.

3783
03:48:10,560 --> 03:48:13,320
If Donald Trump had cut, if he had actually cut anything to balance the budget, I think

3784
03:48:13,320 --> 03:48:14,880
you'd be attacking him over it on the show.

3785
03:48:14,880 --> 03:48:15,880
In fact, you are.

3786
03:48:15,880 --> 03:48:16,880
The healthcare.

3787
03:48:16,880 --> 03:48:19,800
Yeah, because that's his policy position, but Trump didn't cut anything.

3788
03:48:19,800 --> 03:48:21,440
So that should be you attacking him.

3789
03:48:21,440 --> 03:48:26,840
Why aren't you cuts of those, the COVID, uh, uh, subsidies that we're supposed to expire?

3790
03:48:26,840 --> 03:48:27,840
Will they cut that?

3791
03:48:27,840 --> 03:48:28,840
Yeah.

3792
03:48:28,840 --> 03:48:29,840
Well, he was just on a show.

3793
03:48:29,840 --> 03:48:30,840
They were attacking him for that.

3794
03:48:30,840 --> 03:48:33,640
Well, if he did stupid cuts, like for example, he managed to do one of those stupid, those

3795
03:48:33,640 --> 03:48:36,320
were, those were COVID subsidies that were supposed to expire.

3796
03:48:36,320 --> 03:48:37,320
They let them expire.

3797
03:48:37,320 --> 03:48:38,320
And now it's an attack line from the left.

3798
03:48:38,320 --> 03:48:40,920
Well, I mean, that's another betrayal of regulating that mostly hurt mega voters.

3799
03:48:40,920 --> 03:48:42,160
But I was talking about the doge cuts.

3800
03:48:42,160 --> 03:48:45,760
Like the doge program was honestly one of the stupidest things I was getting in my life.

3801
03:48:45,760 --> 03:48:46,760
So you ended up cutting.

3802
03:48:46,760 --> 03:48:50,280
It's called shame, he felt it for a half second shame.

3803
03:48:50,280 --> 03:49:10,040
It was like, Oh God, damn, man, that's a sucks to be a Republican right now because you got

3804
03:49:10,040 --> 03:49:11,040
to defend a record.

3805
03:49:11,040 --> 03:49:16,680
And that's a, that's a hard record to defend massive parts of the government.

3806
03:49:16,680 --> 03:49:19,600
Some people that babies probably should have been fired to other people that were doing

3807
03:49:19,600 --> 03:49:24,040
very important things, research, you know, things that are like that are services for

3808
03:49:24,040 --> 03:49:25,040
Americans.

3809
03:49:25,040 --> 03:49:28,960
And he did it in such a haphazard way that we end up actually spending more because a lot

3810
03:49:28,960 --> 03:49:30,360
of those people are still getting paid.

3811
03:49:30,360 --> 03:49:32,800
They sued the government because they did it in a legal manner.

3812
03:49:32,800 --> 03:49:36,880
Listen, we have the lowest federal employment we've had since 1966.

3813
03:49:36,880 --> 03:49:38,120
I think we're still paying.

3814
03:49:38,120 --> 03:49:39,120
Okay.

3815
03:49:39,120 --> 03:49:41,560
Well, usually we'll stop because they're not going to do something, right?

3816
03:49:41,560 --> 03:49:44,240
So it was the option just to leave the permanent bureaucracy permanently there.

3817
03:49:44,240 --> 03:49:50,280
It's the same integration, which is you, I feel like you're doing nothing because the

3818
03:49:50,280 --> 03:49:53,080
act of doing something carries with a burden that someone might mess something up.

3819
03:49:53,080 --> 03:49:54,080
Yeah.

3820
03:49:54,080 --> 03:49:55,080
Did we fire some people incorrectly?

3821
03:49:55,080 --> 03:49:56,240
What is this argument that I said before?

3822
03:49:56,240 --> 03:50:00,040
This is like one of the unbeatable arguments is like, okay, well, you've brought

3823
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:03,920
your daughter into the hospital, can you explain to me why there's like a knife sticking out of her

3824
03:50:03,920 --> 03:50:07,520
fucking chest and it's like well she was having heart palpitations and it's like okay and then

3825
03:50:07,520 --> 03:50:10,720
what well I thought it was gonna do surgery and it's like why the fuck would you do that like she

3826
03:50:10,720 --> 03:50:15,280
might die now it's like well I had to do something and her mom wasn't doing anything so what are

3827
03:50:15,280 --> 03:50:18,960
you saying it's bad to do something was I just supposed to let her die and it's like it's like

3828
03:50:18,960 --> 03:50:22,240
the do something argument like well somebody had to do something it's like no you actually you

3829
03:50:22,240 --> 03:50:26,160
really didn't you actually could have just fucked off and not done anything retarded and wait for

3830
03:50:26,160 --> 03:50:31,840
like an adult to show up and do something maybe yeah yeah okay guess what I think is a bigger mistake

3831
03:50:31,840 --> 03:50:37,280
never firing anybody ever and I feel like oh because that's what we never thought that's what was

3832
03:50:37,280 --> 03:50:42,400
happening to the government before nobody was ever getting fired ever nobody was ever getting

3833
03:50:42,400 --> 03:50:46,240
fired ever coming from the guys by the way who want to make us so that the president can run for

3834
03:50:46,240 --> 03:50:51,200
an infinite number of terms by the way nobody was ever getting fired ever my bad that's what you

3835
03:50:51,200 --> 03:51:00,000
prefer to have because you would rather it than yeah no that's right no here's something you've packed me on it we can have another agreement just like we had at the top no do it this administration doing nothing would have been a massive

3836
03:51:00,000 --> 03:51:05,280
improvement throw massive improvement and and yeah like any like minor progress that they've had across a few

3837
03:51:05,280 --> 03:51:14,240
issues has been totally swamped by the idiocy true of the tariffs true of the rod war i can defend tariffs and I love terrace and getting rid of USA

3838
03:51:14,240 --> 03:51:33,520
a idea was a huge huge win and tariffs we need to onshore manufacturing we need a huge huge huge win that's what people here and you should be thinking like cruelty is the point like that's crazy a huge win really really though cringe to make our own vitamin C we need to make our own military equipment you have to

3839
03:51:37,520 --> 03:51:40,920
the grips are like bleeding into each other.

3840
03:51:40,920 --> 03:51:41,760
- What?

3841
03:51:41,760 --> 03:51:43,320
- Okay.

3842
03:51:43,320 --> 03:51:46,120
- And getting rid of USAID was a huge, huge win.

3843
03:51:46,120 --> 03:51:48,080
And tariffs, we need to onshore manufacturing.

3844
03:51:48,080 --> 03:51:49,360
We need to make our own vitamin C.

3845
03:51:49,360 --> 03:51:50,720
We need to make our own military equipment.

3846
03:51:50,720 --> 03:51:53,200
You have to bring manufacturing back to the country.

3847
03:51:53,200 --> 03:51:54,200
You have to onshore things.

3848
03:51:54,200 --> 03:51:56,920
And by the way, tariffs have been used to get peace

3849
03:51:56,920 --> 03:51:57,760
in many parts of the country.

3850
03:51:57,760 --> 03:52:00,000
It's been used, by the way, reciprocal tariffs.

3851
03:52:00,000 --> 03:52:02,200
The EU was tariff in the hell out of us.

3852
03:52:02,200 --> 03:52:03,360
- Reciprocal, no they were.

3853
03:52:03,360 --> 03:52:04,200
- We were suckers for years now.

3854
03:52:04,200 --> 03:52:05,040
- There's one part of the tariff thing I'd love

3855
03:52:05,040 --> 03:52:06,720
to get your answer to Andrew because it's the crazy part.

3856
03:52:06,720 --> 03:52:07,720
- We go 10 or five times.

3857
03:52:07,720 --> 03:52:09,120
- Oh yeah, wait, here's a good question.

3858
03:52:09,120 --> 03:52:09,960
- I have to wrap it up, but go ahead.

3859
03:52:09,960 --> 03:52:11,800
- Oh my God, I don't know.

3860
03:52:11,800 --> 03:52:13,760
I'm not sure what he's gonna ask about the penguin.

3861
03:52:13,760 --> 03:52:16,640
He could make a joke or a meme about the big graph

3862
03:52:16,640 --> 03:52:18,120
or whatever that was all a lie.

3863
03:52:18,120 --> 03:52:20,560
But the thing I would like to know is,

3864
03:52:20,560 --> 03:52:21,640
can you name a single trade deal

3865
03:52:21,640 --> 03:52:23,120
that we've gotten so far from Trump?

3866
03:52:23,120 --> 03:52:24,960
Where have we gotten any trade deals ever?

3867
03:52:24,960 --> 03:52:27,120
A single one, just one trade deal, anywhere.

3868
03:52:27,120 --> 03:52:28,960
- I will say this half a trade deal.

3869
03:52:28,960 --> 03:52:30,960
- I'm sorry, anyway.

3870
03:52:30,960 --> 03:52:31,960
I was just gonna say, like the idea

3871
03:52:31,960 --> 03:52:33,320
that he put illegal tariffs in,

3872
03:52:33,320 --> 03:52:34,840
then the Supreme Court said they were illegal

3873
03:52:34,840 --> 03:52:37,360
and then he bullied companies to not getting the rebates back.

3874
03:52:37,360 --> 03:52:38,520
I mean, like if the Democrat had done that,

3875
03:52:38,520 --> 03:52:40,120
if Obama had put the legal tax in

3876
03:52:40,120 --> 03:52:41,480
and then bullied corporations and said,

3877
03:52:41,480 --> 03:52:42,680
sorry, I'm not gonna give you your money back

3878
03:52:42,680 --> 03:52:43,880
that I illegally stole from you,

3879
03:52:43,880 --> 03:52:44,800
you guys have to be on fire.

3880
03:52:44,800 --> 03:52:45,640
- I mean, I'm fine.

3881
03:52:45,640 --> 03:52:46,480
- It's just another example of--

3882
03:52:46,480 --> 03:52:47,320
- Just another example of the garbage.

3883
03:52:47,320 --> 03:52:48,160
- Right-way socialism.

3884
03:52:48,160 --> 03:52:49,640
- They shouldn't have, they shouldn't have backdated

3885
03:52:49,640 --> 03:52:51,320
and forced any of that to be paid back.

3886
03:52:51,320 --> 03:52:52,160
It should have been forward looking.

3887
03:52:52,160 --> 03:52:53,160
It was actually a terrible--

3888
03:52:53,160 --> 03:52:55,080
- I'm just saying, it's better for the administration

3889
03:52:55,080 --> 03:52:55,920
to do nothing.

3890
03:52:55,920 --> 03:52:58,720
I basically ignore whatever personal conduct from Trump,

3891
03:52:58,720 --> 03:53:00,520
'cause everyone's gonna have issues with large parts of it.

3892
03:53:00,520 --> 03:53:04,200
- Oh my God, I will ignore all personal conduct

3893
03:53:04,200 --> 03:53:05,720
from the president, oh my God.

3894
03:53:14,720 --> 03:53:19,720
- What I focus on and fixate on is changes that happened

3895
03:53:19,720 --> 03:53:21,600
under this administration that would have never happened

3896
03:53:21,600 --> 03:53:23,920
under any other Democrat certainly would have never happened

3897
03:53:23,920 --> 03:53:25,560
under Republicans like the one that you ran under,

3898
03:53:25,560 --> 03:53:28,520
which is get rid of systemic racial discrimination in the US,

3899
03:53:28,520 --> 03:53:30,720
actually secure the border, actually deport people.

3900
03:53:30,720 --> 03:53:32,640
That stuff that happened under this administration,

3901
03:53:32,640 --> 03:53:34,880
no one else would do, so I think they are transcendent

3902
03:53:34,880 --> 03:53:35,800
to accomplishments.

3903
03:53:35,800 --> 03:53:37,400
- Tim, thank you, Michael, let's do it again at Amfest.

3904
03:53:37,400 --> 03:53:38,680
- I was gonna say, this has been great.

3905
03:53:38,680 --> 03:53:41,760
Honestly, listen, you're good sport,

3906
03:53:41,760 --> 03:53:42,720
thank you for having the debate.

3907
03:53:42,720 --> 03:53:44,800
I'd love to do it again sometime soon,

3908
03:53:44,800 --> 03:53:46,560
so please, please, consider coming back.

3909
03:53:46,560 --> 03:53:47,400
- Thank you guys, appreciate the invite.

3910
03:53:47,400 --> 03:53:49,120
- Yeah, man, all right, be well.

3911
03:53:49,120 --> 03:53:50,760
Tim Miller from the Bullwork, that was fun.

3912
03:53:50,760 --> 03:53:53,680
We had to wrap it up 'cause we got Bill of Salie coming on.

3913
03:53:56,280 --> 03:53:57,200
- Jesus Christ.

3914
03:54:02,640 --> 03:54:04,640
(sighs)

3915
03:54:17,240 --> 03:54:18,080
- Oh, God.

3916
03:54:22,480 --> 03:54:26,440
- Here, and then this is so Atriac responded.

3917
03:54:26,440 --> 03:54:28,680
Atriac responded to this whole thing,

3918
03:54:28,680 --> 03:54:30,280
the Pokeman calling him out.

3919
03:54:31,480 --> 03:54:32,320
Here we go.

3920
03:54:33,640 --> 03:54:36,280
- Okay, look, I'll talk right now.

3921
03:54:36,280 --> 03:54:39,240
I'll do it, but I don't have a ton to say, to be honest,

3922
03:54:39,240 --> 03:54:40,320
so here's what I'll say.

3923
03:54:40,320 --> 03:54:42,320
And I don't think this should come as a surprise to anybody.

3924
03:54:42,320 --> 03:54:44,760
I saw the posts that were going viral today.

3925
03:54:44,760 --> 03:54:45,600
- Yeah.

3926
03:54:45,600 --> 03:54:46,440
- And again, and...

3927
03:54:46,440 --> 03:54:48,360
- I dude, this bridge is permanently burned,

3928
03:54:48,360 --> 03:54:50,040
but I mean, when you're so irresponsible,

3929
03:54:50,040 --> 03:54:51,200
like, what do you want me to say?

3930
03:54:51,200 --> 03:54:53,160
Like, this is just crazy, I'm sorry.

3931
03:54:55,880 --> 03:54:57,920
I guess Charlie tweeted something,

3932
03:54:57,920 --> 03:54:59,640
and she's like, this was dead,

3933
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:04,400
definitely posted on the reddit community of some sex offender or racist streamer, like

3934
03:55:04,400 --> 03:55:07,920
it's I guess it's just all thrown in. So I'm gonna delete it. You guys are nuts. And

3935
03:55:07,920 --> 03:55:12,560
this is why women don't like you. Yeah, because there are so many brave and powerful women

3936
03:55:12,560 --> 03:55:17,960
in these spaces over there. You guys are fucking crazy, dude. Actually fucking crazy.

3937
03:55:17,960 --> 03:55:21,840
That crazy unhinged the Musco well guy, we were reading crazy tweets from this dude as

3938
03:55:21,840 --> 03:55:27,240
well. Hey, I saw you tonight when Vio raided into you. Yeah, they have been harassing and

3939
03:55:27,240 --> 03:55:30,960
sending death threats to any woman talking about this for the last 24 hours. It really

3940
03:55:30,960 --> 03:55:35,480
sucks. People can say it's not his community, but 9 out of 10 guys say this has been his

3941
03:55:35,480 --> 03:55:40,560
followers when I check 9 out of 10 guys. You remember earlier when I said, um, this was,

3942
03:55:40,560 --> 03:55:45,520
I was fighting fuck, when did this even happen? This has never happened when, um, I was trying

3943
03:55:45,520 --> 03:55:48,240
to think when I asked people for example of this, can you give me a single example? Just

3944
03:55:48,240 --> 03:55:51,020
one of DJ ever doing this. When people have attacked us in the past with this, they literally

3945
03:55:51,020 --> 03:55:55,920
make up allegations. They'll fucking fabricate DMS. Ludwig did this under Hassan's urging

3946
03:55:55,920 --> 03:55:59,120
when Ludwig falsely accused somebody who might be doing something. Um, and then it turned

3947
03:55:59,120 --> 03:56:03,520
out it was like a random zero follower count on Twitter. Um, that one girl, the crazy woman,

3948
03:56:03,520 --> 03:56:07,720
um, fuck, what was her name? A long time ago, she was on the canvassing thing. It wasn't

3949
03:56:07,720 --> 03:56:11,480
Maddie. Was it? Was that her name? Who faked the DM calling herself the, the K word? The

3950
03:56:11,480 --> 03:56:16,280
guy gives a Jew. Did she made that, that DM was fabricated. Maddie kicks that was insane.

3951
03:56:16,280 --> 03:56:23,880
Remember AB from Ethan's crew? AB, um, he made up a, what did he do? He posted? I think

3952
03:56:23,880 --> 03:56:27,320
he, fuck, I don't want to get this wrong. So it's like he posted in a stark sub and then

3953
03:56:27,320 --> 03:56:30,480
he tried to say that his account was hacked by somebody. Am I committed? It was like, it

3954
03:56:30,480 --> 03:56:35,040
was a completely and totally unhinged and crazy thing to accuse. He's like, it came from testing

3955
03:56:35,040 --> 03:56:40,160
me. How, why we hacked our account to go post in a stark sub? We're absolutely unhinged.

3956
03:56:40,160 --> 03:56:46,280
These guys make the shit up constantly. Meanwhile, indictment, uh, young man whose brother says

3957
03:56:46,280 --> 03:56:49,800
he's not even surprised that his brother would be radicalized in making violent threats because

3958
03:56:49,800 --> 03:56:54,720
he's a Hassan piker fan making phone calls to the wives of Tillis's wife, a senator,

3959
03:56:54,720 --> 03:57:12,680
sitting US senators threatening to kill them. Like hello, Jesus Christ. Why is she blocked

3960
03:57:12,680 --> 03:57:15,400
you before this though? Have you guys fought before? Nope. She's probably just been told

3961
03:57:15,400 --> 03:57:19,920
shit by people on the left and nobody ever on the internet ever asks for proof on anything.

3962
03:57:19,920 --> 03:57:24,240
I am the only content creator that you, but you can tell because even when you guys link

3963
03:57:24,240 --> 03:57:27,120
to be retarded shit, the first thing I always say is like, hold on. Wait, give me the full

3964
03:57:27,120 --> 03:57:30,320
thing or whatever. I don't want just a clip. I don't want the 70 seconds. Every other community.

3965
03:57:30,320 --> 03:57:33,600
I mean, we watched, we watched her do it on stream where somebody in her chat was like,

3966
03:57:33,600 --> 03:57:38,360
uh, Oh, yeah, Jesse does these horrible things. He's like, really? Wow. That's crazy. And it's

3967
03:57:38,360 --> 03:57:41,080
just like they believe it. They don't even need like an edited clip. Like it used to

3968
03:57:41,080 --> 03:57:45,120
be that they would at least need like the tiny, tiny channel. But, um, they don't, they

3969
03:57:45,120 --> 03:57:47,520
don't even need an edited clip. They just hear a thing and they just instantly believe

3970
03:57:47,520 --> 03:58:00,880
it. And it's like, Oh, okay. Well, good one. You copy pasta. Good one. Good job. Good

3971
03:58:00,880 --> 03:58:08,080
post and something that should not be a surprise. Anyone. I agree with them. I, I, I'm not it's

3972
03:58:08,080 --> 03:58:12,280
surprising. They don't have better examples of regaining like big streamer, big community.

3973
03:58:12,280 --> 03:58:18,280
You'd actually think there would be more bad apples. Yeah, you would except I, I regulate

3974
03:58:18,280 --> 03:58:22,640
my community harder than any other person on the internet of my size. I have a, I view

3975
03:58:22,640 --> 03:58:28,880
community as being massively, uh, uh, reflective of the streamer that if a community is engaged

3976
03:58:28,880 --> 03:58:31,680
in mass harassment, it's because the streamer basically green lights it. That's why I said

3977
03:58:31,680 --> 03:58:39,160
when I frustrating things about, um, one of my frustrating things about, um, so I read

3978
03:58:39,160 --> 03:58:43,000
it coming in chat. When people talk about how they're, the audience has like, there's

3979
03:58:43,000 --> 03:58:45,280
nothing you can do to stop people. No, I'm sorry. I don't know what I was going to say.

3980
03:58:45,280 --> 03:58:49,600
That's one of the first things about the whole like, uh, a stalker harassment, doxering space

3981
03:58:49,600 --> 03:58:54,760
or whatever is because all of it could literally stop instantaneously if Hassan on his own,

3982
03:58:54,760 --> 03:58:58,120
if it's obviously guys, we're not, we don't do this shit anymore. Okay. Like if you, if

3983
03:58:58,120 --> 03:59:01,680
you do do this, like fuck off, like I don't, this is just not what we're about anymore.

3984
03:59:01,680 --> 03:59:08,560
As opposed to green lighting all of it by constantly showing all of it, um, and, and basically

3985
03:59:08,560 --> 03:59:17,400
taking advantage of and utilizing the stocking and harassment spaces, but it can stop in

3986
03:59:17,400 --> 03:59:20,720
an instant and every content creator knows this. You know how to tell how a content creator

3987
03:59:20,720 --> 03:59:25,280
knows the, what they're able to do when it comes to community regulation. And it's funny

3988
03:59:25,280 --> 03:59:29,200
again, cause you can use Hassan is the best example of this. When Hassan was fighting

3989
03:59:29,200 --> 03:59:32,640
Ethan, somebody should make a compilation of this, or there might even be one. When Hassan

3990
03:59:32,640 --> 03:59:35,560
was fighting Ethan and Ethan was complaining, this was back when they were still friends

3991
03:59:35,560 --> 03:59:39,560
and out of podcasts together. When Ethan was complaining about how, um, Hassan's community

3992
03:59:39,560 --> 03:59:42,040
was going crazy, somebody always said, I mean, I can't do anything about it, bro. Like you

3993
03:59:42,040 --> 03:59:45,480
say crazy shit. Like I can't regulate them. I can't change what every single person is

3994
03:59:45,480 --> 03:59:51,160
saying. There's nothing I can do about it. Meanwhile, when XQC's community is mean to Hassan, Hassan

3995
03:59:51,160 --> 03:59:54,560
goes to XQC and is like, bro, you need to moderate these people that you know what you're

3996
03:59:54,560 --> 03:59:57,440
doing. When you reference me this way, you know that when you bring this stuff up, you

3997
03:59:57,440 --> 04:00:00,040
know how they're going to act like all of a sudden when it's somebody else is going

3998
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:04,440
community, when it's somebody else who's attacking you. Well, now you give way more

3999
04:00:04,440 --> 04:00:10,840
agency to the streamer, you know, what does Dave mean by mass harassment?

4000
04:00:10,840 --> 04:00:14,140
He's like, he's lying. There's no mass harassment. Again, it's one of those

4001
04:00:14,140 --> 04:00:17,240
things. This is like when I debate conservatives and they're like, like the

4002
04:00:17,240 --> 04:00:20,460
right in the bathroom from trans people is too much. I can say confidently, this

4003
04:00:20,460 --> 04:00:23,580
is never happened. And I know, and I know I can say that confidently, without

4004
04:00:23,580 --> 04:00:26,680
having researched it, because this heuristic is so powerful, it's like

4005
04:00:26,680 --> 04:00:31,600
over-determinative in an argument. If this thing had happened, that would be so

4006
04:00:31,600 --> 04:00:36,520
dispositive, that would be so proof positive, it'd be so amazingly good for

4007
04:00:36,520 --> 04:00:38,920
your case for the argument you're making, you would know it. You would cite it all

4008
04:00:38,920 --> 04:00:41,400
the time. If it was that trans people were raping people in bathrooms all the

4009
04:00:41,400 --> 04:00:44,800
time, you would be screaming from the rooftops about this case. So I know that

4010
04:00:44,800 --> 04:00:46,920
it hasn't happened, because if it was, you'd be talking about it all day. It

4011
04:00:46,920 --> 04:00:48,640
should be the same thing when they think when they talk about like the

4012
04:00:48,640 --> 04:00:52,880
DGG mass harassment shit, right? For the DGG mass harassment shit, they never

4013
04:00:52,880 --> 04:00:55,560
have a single example. Despite the fact that we're literally out here for seven

4014
04:00:55,560 --> 04:00:59,280
years, cyber stalking and harassing people, like, not even one example of this.

4015
04:01:02,760 --> 04:01:05,400
Destiny, you regulate it, but I think it's easy to do it for you, since your

4016
04:01:05,400 --> 04:01:08,200
community isn't as unhinged as other streamer communities, the people you

4017
04:01:08,200 --> 04:01:11,720
attract because of the con-- no, hold on. That is true, but the reason why, that's

4018
04:01:11,720 --> 04:01:15,680
not by-- that's not an accident. That's a deliberate carving out of a community.

4019
04:01:15,680 --> 04:01:19,720
That's a deliberate space I've created. It takes work. How many times have you

4020
04:01:19,720 --> 04:01:23,480
seen my Hobbit follower come onto stream and have Hassan made fun of me for this?

4021
04:01:23,480 --> 04:01:26,120
When Hobbit came onto stream, he was like, "I feel like some of the rhetoric of the

4022
04:01:26,120 --> 04:01:28,280
subreddit is like, I don't know. I feel like people going a little bit too far.

4023
04:01:28,280 --> 04:01:31,320
It's kind of scary." When Kyla comes on and she's like, "I think at, like, canvassing

4024
04:01:31,320 --> 04:01:33,560
events or whatever, we need to be better about being more inclusive to

4025
04:01:33,560 --> 04:01:36,080
different gender people." When I have conversations with the audience, I'm like,

4026
04:01:36,080 --> 04:01:38,000
"I think, I feel you guys are a little bit too sexist on to see what Texas

4027
04:01:38,000 --> 04:01:40,760
contributes." This is not a thing that just randomly happens. Like, well, Destiny

4028
04:01:40,760 --> 04:01:44,200
just happens to have a community that's not as unhinged, I guess. No! That is a

4029
04:01:44,200 --> 04:01:47,680
deliberate effort of mine. I'm in the most unhinged space on the internet, which

4030
04:01:47,680 --> 04:01:51,800
is internet politics. This is definitely the most unhinged place to exist in. The

4031
04:01:51,800 --> 04:01:53,800
only reason why it's not like this is because I've had a ton of attention

4032
04:01:53,800 --> 04:02:00,680
ever by me to make another way. Fighting, I'm not pushing back on any of it.

4033
04:02:00,680 --> 04:02:05,440
Those feelings are totally valid, sincerely. They're, they're, I have no-

4034
04:02:05,440 --> 04:02:09,200
Well, not really, because you think that the feelings are really valid, then why

4035
04:02:09,200 --> 04:02:14,880
did you go? Like, if you think that you make people uncomfortable, like, I mean,

4036
04:02:14,880 --> 04:02:21,360
so let me get this straight. So Maya was a bridesmaid and you got exposed

4037
04:02:21,360 --> 04:02:29,920
for having AI-generated porn of her. Okay? Or sorry, paying for, paying for it on

4038
04:02:29,920 --> 04:02:35,520
some website that generated AI porn of Maya. So like, she was a bridesmaid at the

4039
04:02:35,520 --> 04:02:42,840
wedding. Yeah. I mean, that's a lot, right? But they still invited him. What do you mean?

4040
04:02:42,840 --> 04:02:50,920
Like, bro, paid for it? Yeah, I guess. That was for research, I guess. It's just so

4041
04:02:50,920 --> 04:02:58,280
odd. He's saying Poki's feelings are valid because she spoke out, I guess.

4042
04:02:59,360 --> 04:03:06,040
Bro, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Oh, no woman is comfortable with the idea that

4043
04:03:06,040 --> 04:03:09,840
you're generating AI porn of them and jacking off to it and you're paying money

4044
04:03:09,840 --> 04:03:15,600
for it, bro. Like, no woman is ever gonna really forgive that. Like, I come, I can't

4045
04:03:15,600 --> 04:03:19,600
read Maya's mind. I can't read cutie's mind, but like, that shit's fucking weird, man.

4046
04:03:19,600 --> 04:03:26,240
That shit's so fucking weird. Wait, is it trying to figure out? Normally, as much

4047
04:03:26,240 --> 04:03:30,360
as I hate to say it, normally, asthma gold is pretty fair, whether it's people

4048
04:03:30,360 --> 04:03:34,760
he likes or doesn't like, is he super not like a track or anything? Or is there

4049
04:03:34,760 --> 04:03:39,960
something else that play here? Or is he just? And like, it is also kind of true,

4050
04:03:39,960 --> 04:03:46,240
depending on the person, I think. I feel like an average person, if they found

4051
04:03:46,240 --> 04:03:49,160
that out, depending on your level of involvement, would probably always feel

4052
04:03:49,160 --> 04:03:53,720
at least a little bit weird. That's probably true. Nobody would want to be

4053
04:03:53,720 --> 04:03:58,720
around that. Like, what are you talking about? What do you mean? Like, we all

4054
04:03:58,720 --> 04:04:02,760
watch porn? It's dude, everybody, that's not the issue, bro. Like, it's not the

4055
04:04:02,760 --> 04:04:12,040
issue. Oh, no problem with someone saying that. That, listen, my position from the

4056
04:04:12,040 --> 04:04:17,960
beginning is that I looked at a fucking deep fake website on January 26, 2023. That

4057
04:04:17,960 --> 04:04:24,440
was the only day he ever looked at it. It was a bad thing to do. I wish I

4058
04:04:24,440 --> 04:04:28,360
didn't do it. He's going in. I've never, I've never stood up for it. I've never

4059
04:04:28,360 --> 04:04:31,760
tried to defend myself. I never tried a downplay. It was fucking bad. Wasn't

4060
04:04:31,760 --> 04:04:39,880
it a paid website to cheat? He's going or you. It's totally valid. It is 100%

4061
04:04:39,880 --> 04:04:45,720
valid. I've never ever disagreed with that. So what I've tried to do in the

4062
04:04:45,720 --> 04:04:50,160
years since then, because obviously I feel terrible. You got to do it on

4063
04:04:50,160 --> 04:04:57,600
another computer, man. You can't be looking at porn on the same computer

4064
04:04:57,600 --> 04:04:58,440
you're streaming on.

4065
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:03,320
- I mean, how many people are gonna have to mess this up

4066
04:05:03,320 --> 04:05:04,240
until they learn?

4067
04:05:05,760 --> 04:05:06,640
- Really?

4068
04:05:06,640 --> 04:05:09,660
Like, I mean, look at it on your phone or something.

4069
04:05:10,660 --> 04:05:13,260
- When I don't have a time machine, I can't undo it.

4070
04:05:13,260 --> 04:05:15,160
It's try to show that that is not who I am.

4071
04:05:15,160 --> 04:05:19,120
I'm trying to like use my actions and time and money

4072
04:05:19,120 --> 04:05:21,120
and effort and whatever I can to show that that's not who I am.

4073
04:05:21,120 --> 04:05:22,200
That's what I've been trying to do.

4074
04:05:22,200 --> 04:05:24,720
But, this is an important but,

4075
04:05:24,720 --> 04:05:28,400
is that there is no Konami code for forgiveness.

4076
04:05:28,400 --> 04:05:30,560
There's no like right sequence of actions that you do it

4077
04:05:30,560 --> 04:05:31,960
and they're like, okay, now you have to forgive me.

4078
04:05:31,960 --> 04:05:33,000
That's not how it works.

4079
04:05:33,000 --> 04:05:34,200
If you don't forgive me,

4080
04:05:34,200 --> 04:05:35,840
you are fully within your right to do that.

4081
04:05:35,840 --> 04:05:36,680
You can do that forever.

4082
04:05:36,680 --> 04:05:39,520
I literally, I'm not owed anything.

4083
04:05:39,520 --> 04:05:41,440
It's just not how it works, okay?

4084
04:05:41,440 --> 04:05:46,160
So, yeah, I mean, I don't know what particularly prompted

4085
04:05:46,160 --> 04:05:48,280
this now, but it is a valid feeling whenever.

4086
04:05:48,280 --> 04:05:51,160
And I'm just doing my best in this.

4087
04:05:51,160 --> 04:05:53,520
- What do you mean you don't know what prompted it?

4088
04:05:54,840 --> 04:05:55,820
- She said.

4089
04:05:58,000 --> 04:05:59,640
Like, I mean, this is the thing, right?

4090
04:05:59,640 --> 04:06:02,680
I'm like, oh, I don't know why this is happening to me.

4091
04:06:06,640 --> 04:06:09,400
Are we, are we for real right now?

4092
04:06:09,400 --> 04:06:10,240
Are we for real?

4093
04:06:10,240 --> 04:06:13,160
It's, she said why she, she brought it up.

4094
04:06:14,080 --> 04:06:15,240
God damn.

4095
04:06:17,840 --> 04:06:20,160
And this, this is the issue that I have.

4096
04:06:20,160 --> 04:06:24,040
Like Atrioc, like I, I think it's really weird to do that.

4097
04:06:24,040 --> 04:06:26,720
And I also think Atrioc is a performative guy.

4098
04:06:26,720 --> 04:06:30,120
He is, he cried when I shot somebody, okay?

4099
04:06:30,120 --> 04:06:33,560
Like that to me is this pathetic bitch made thing

4100
04:06:33,560 --> 04:06:35,000
that you can possibly do.

4101
04:06:35,000 --> 04:06:39,000
He is absolutely one of these like, as soon as that happened,

4102
04:06:39,000 --> 04:06:43,120
like he's just turned into such a massive fucking bitch.

4103
04:06:43,120 --> 04:06:48,040
Like, I agree that people can be performative.

4104
04:06:48,040 --> 04:06:49,480
That is absolutely true.

4105
04:06:49,480 --> 04:06:51,080
People on the left can be performative,

4106
04:06:51,080 --> 04:06:54,040
especially over policing, shit or whatever, for sure.

4107
04:06:54,040 --> 04:06:58,640
But like Atrioc is, and maybe Atrioc is more hardcore

4108
04:06:58,640 --> 04:06:59,480
than I'm not aware of it,

4109
04:06:59,480 --> 04:07:02,320
but Atrioc comes off as very normy coded to me.

4110
04:07:02,320 --> 04:07:05,120
I think it's a pretty normal thing that a normal human being

4111
04:07:05,120 --> 04:07:07,840
that's not watching execution or torture videos online

4112
04:07:07,840 --> 04:07:10,640
would be pretty bothered to watch somebody get like held down

4113
04:07:10,640 --> 04:07:12,080
and executed in the street.

4114
04:07:12,080 --> 04:07:14,400
I think it's a pretty normal and ordinary human reaction

4115
04:07:14,400 --> 04:07:15,560
to be pretty bothered by that.

4116
04:07:15,560 --> 04:07:19,560
Such that you might even, you might even cry, maybe.

4117
04:07:19,560 --> 04:07:21,240
You might even cry.

4118
04:07:21,240 --> 04:07:24,000
Like, that's not that, and it's not like he was balling.

4119
04:07:24,000 --> 04:07:25,320
On stream, okay.

4120
04:07:28,600 --> 04:07:29,960
And I saw that.

4121
04:07:29,960 --> 04:07:31,200
There was some other thing about him

4122
04:07:31,200 --> 04:07:33,320
like criticizing Nick Shirley.

4123
04:07:33,320 --> 04:07:34,160
You what?

4124
04:07:34,160 --> 04:07:35,240
- Oh my God, this is here.

4125
04:07:35,240 --> 04:07:36,800
- Who shot what, ICE?

4126
04:07:39,640 --> 04:07:40,960
Yeah, ICE shot somebody.

4127
04:07:40,960 --> 04:07:45,960
So this is the, oh, ICE, the police,

4128
04:07:46,040 --> 04:07:48,440
the federal investigator, federal, you know,

4129
04:07:48,440 --> 04:07:50,680
like an enforcement unit, ICE.

4130
04:07:50,680 --> 04:07:53,080
Shot somebody, sorry, sorry.

4131
04:07:53,080 --> 04:07:56,080
He cried when I shot somebody, no, no.

4132
04:07:56,080 --> 04:07:59,000
But he's on there crying, and I remember when it happened,

4133
04:07:59,000 --> 04:08:01,280
I said the last time I've seen Adrian crying

4134
04:08:01,280 --> 04:08:03,600
was when he got exposed for looking at AI-generated porn

4135
04:08:03,600 --> 04:08:05,560
of his friends' girlfriends, right?

4136
04:08:05,560 --> 04:08:09,680
And I totally dislike people like that, I do.

4137
04:08:09,680 --> 04:08:12,600
So any hate this guy gets, I'm always going to be happy

4138
04:08:12,600 --> 04:08:15,080
about it because I think that he's,

4139
04:08:15,080 --> 04:08:17,760
who the fuck cries over some fucking freak

4140
04:08:17,760 --> 04:08:20,960
trying to drive into a police officer, getting shot.

4141
04:08:20,960 --> 04:08:23,440
- Oh my God, the fuck? - Twitch.tv politics.

4142
04:08:23,440 --> 04:08:24,360
- What the fuck wrong with you?

4143
04:08:24,360 --> 04:08:26,200
- Twitch.tv politics, ladies and gentlemen.

4144
04:08:26,200 --> 04:08:28,800
- Well, circle, I'm in to rebuild trust.

4145
04:08:28,800 --> 04:08:32,080
I think of it like I sent a hurricane through my own life

4146
04:08:32,080 --> 04:08:34,480
based on my own actions, and I've been trying brick

4147
04:08:34,480 --> 04:08:36,040
by brick to rebuild it.

4148
04:08:36,040 --> 04:08:36,960
That's all I'm trying to do.

4149
04:08:36,960 --> 04:08:38,040
I am not trying to--

4150
04:08:38,040 --> 04:08:41,280
- And you saw this happen with Andrew, I think too.

4151
04:08:41,280 --> 04:08:45,520
Channel five, I like Andrew, and I used to like Atriok too,

4152
04:08:45,520 --> 04:08:48,520
but then he cried when that one woman got--

4153
04:08:48,520 --> 04:08:49,880
- As soon as these guys get canceled

4154
04:08:49,880 --> 04:08:52,480
for something that's mad, they play heavy

4155
04:08:52,480 --> 04:08:54,440
into the leftist stereotype.

4156
04:08:54,440 --> 04:08:57,080
- Like, oh my God, we're doing the thing again, bro.

4157
04:08:57,080 --> 04:08:58,000
This is the thing.

4158
04:08:58,000 --> 04:09:00,720
Everybody does this thing, and it's such a fun thing to do

4159
04:09:00,720 --> 04:09:05,440
is where you're looking at a specific case,

4160
04:09:05,440 --> 04:09:07,880
and then from the specific case, you start talking

4161
04:09:07,880 --> 04:09:09,320
about like a general thing that happens

4162
04:09:09,320 --> 04:09:10,960
that has nothing to do with a specific case.

4163
04:09:10,960 --> 04:09:12,960
Now again, unless I'm missing this somewhere,

4164
04:09:14,360 --> 04:09:18,360
where the fuck is Atriok canceling people?

4165
04:09:18,360 --> 04:09:21,200
Does he do anything like that?

4166
04:09:21,200 --> 04:09:22,040
I don't know.

4167
04:09:22,040 --> 04:09:25,120
I feel like he's not part of that crew of people at all.

4168
04:09:25,120 --> 04:09:29,000
He's just so milk toast and lukewarm.

4169
04:09:29,000 --> 04:09:29,840
All right, I shouldn't say that.

4170
04:09:29,840 --> 04:09:31,840
He's just not like involved in like the culture

4171
04:09:31,840 --> 04:09:32,720
of war shit as much.

4172
04:09:32,720 --> 04:09:34,360
I just not ever see him there.

4173
04:09:34,360 --> 04:09:35,200
- You do.

4174
04:09:35,200 --> 04:09:37,000
And prior to this, I think that Andrew,

4175
04:09:37,000 --> 04:09:38,640
like 'cause Andrew also got exposed

4176
04:09:38,640 --> 04:09:41,400
for a bunch of weird shit, which, and I don't again,

4177
04:09:41,400 --> 04:09:44,280
like I have a lot less animosity towards Andrew

4178
04:09:44,280 --> 04:09:48,080
than I do towards Atriok, but overall, I think both of them

4179
04:09:48,080 --> 04:09:52,240
are, you know, they're performative males.

4180
04:09:52,240 --> 04:09:54,800
They're performative leftists, and I don't like that.

4181
04:09:54,800 --> 04:09:56,360
I don't like that at all.

4182
04:09:56,360 --> 04:09:57,720
Can he redeem himself?

4183
04:09:57,720 --> 04:09:58,560
- Never.

4184
04:09:58,560 --> 04:10:00,320
- Yeah, how about stop crying about whenever,

4185
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:05,240
people intentionally obstruct and try to stop a federal law enforcement

4186
04:10:05,240 --> 04:10:10,200
operation and they get shot in the process. Stop trying to counter signal

4187
04:10:10,200 --> 04:10:14,680
Nick Shirley trying to go against fraud than to go. Oh my God. Stop doing that.

4188
04:10:16,680 --> 04:10:19,640
I've been out of drunk. Quick, it's not stop.

4189
04:10:21,840 --> 04:10:25,960
It's on piker right. Hassan Piker's rise divides the Democratic Party. What is

4190
04:10:25,960 --> 04:10:32,980
this? My neck, my back, like my pussy and my crack. That is controversial. And

4191
04:10:32,980 --> 04:10:37,120
far left streamer Hassan Piker, who's built a platform on anti American

4192
04:10:37,120 --> 04:10:40,120
anti Israel rhetoric. Okay.

4193
04:10:41,680 --> 04:10:45,320
Trauma, I don't say names. I am just here doing my content to amount of things.

4194
04:10:45,320 --> 04:10:51,400
That is literally all I'm doing. So I don't appreciate being used by anyone

4195
04:10:51,400 --> 04:10:54,840
as a weapon to attack some wonder. That's not what I'm about. This is not I

4196
04:10:54,840 --> 04:10:57,960
don't appreciate being used. Then you shouldn't have put yourself in the

4197
04:10:57,960 --> 04:11:03,040
fucking arsenal. Oh my God. But he really doesn't he doesn't he doesn't who cares

4198
04:11:03,040 --> 04:11:07,240
about our PR and cutie Cinderella's wedding. Whenever you previously got

4199
04:11:07,240 --> 04:11:12,000
exposed to AI generated porn of people that were at said wedding, along with

4200
04:11:12,000 --> 04:11:16,760
other streamers, you obviously are going to make them look bad. It's kind of like

4201
04:11:16,760 --> 04:11:21,240
so I've been invited to events and I chose not to go to the events because I

4202
04:11:21,240 --> 04:11:25,040
thought that my presence at the event would cause he doesn't even go anywhere

4203
04:11:25,040 --> 04:11:28,520
because he's an anti social and as fuck you chose you only leave the house to go

4204
04:11:28,520 --> 04:11:32,800
by fucking fast food. That's it. You care more about helping, you know, being

4205
04:11:32,800 --> 04:11:37,040
there for your body and that's fine. But fundamentally, you made this decision.

4206
04:11:37,720 --> 04:11:43,520
You made this decision. You did this. I don't like how I don't appreciate being

4207
04:11:43,520 --> 04:11:50,400
used. This is a passive language. You actively did this. I hate it when people

4208
04:11:50,400 --> 04:11:54,680
do things and then they take it like this happened to them. This didn't happen to

4209
04:11:54,680 --> 04:11:59,640
you. You did it. So that's it. That's my that is that I don't think I have much

4210
04:11:59,640 --> 04:12:02,440
else. Oh, okay. Last thing I'll say is and I don't think it's even gonna happen

4211
04:12:02,440 --> 04:12:06,640
much anymore, obviously, but there's a there's two sides to that coin though,

4212
04:12:06,640 --> 04:12:11,960
right? Forgiveness is is dependent on each person. Any everybody has their own

4213
04:12:11,960 --> 04:12:15,560
definition of it. And if you haven't if I haven't earned it with you, that is 100

4214
04:12:15,560 --> 04:12:19,400
percent, you're right. But there are some people for whom they see my actions and

4215
04:12:19,400 --> 04:12:24,240
see what I'm doing and feel open to the idea of trusting me again or giving me

4216
04:12:24,240 --> 04:12:28,480
a shot. And I do think that those people should be allowed to like, I don't know,

4217
04:12:28,480 --> 04:12:31,880
play a game with me or invite me to something without it being a big deal.

4218
04:12:31,880 --> 04:12:35,120
As long as we stay in our own lane and do our own, I think that should be allowed

4219
04:12:35,120 --> 04:12:43,200
because I don't know how who decides this? The people in the space do. Would

4220
04:12:43,200 --> 04:12:47,360
Atriac say this about a person if that person was being racist and used a

4221
04:12:47,360 --> 04:12:53,520
bunch of racial slurs. I imagine that if it was a long time ago, yes. Why are we

4222
04:12:53,520 --> 04:12:59,160
ascribing this insane, like fucking cancel culture, wokeness to Atriac? Am I

4223
04:12:59,160 --> 04:13:02,880
missing something? Did he have a period on Twitter? He was like this? I feel like

4224
04:13:02,880 --> 04:13:06,920
Atriac like the most like chill fucking like whatever dude on the planet.

4225
04:13:06,920 --> 04:13:14,040
Where is the where Atriac the cancel culture warrior? What the fuck? When Atriac

4226
04:13:14,040 --> 04:13:18,320
say this about a person, if that person counter signaled all the leftist agenda

4227
04:13:18,320 --> 04:13:21,760
stuff that he has to pretend to accept God because he's terrified of being

4228
04:13:21,760 --> 04:13:31,120
canceled again. Would Atriac say this? Probably not. Yeah, if it was me, how

4229
04:13:31,120 --> 04:13:36,600
about that? No, because your behavior isn't stuff from three or four years ago.

4230
04:13:36,600 --> 04:13:41,880
That was a mistake. It doesn't represent your ideology. Now, when I say mistake, I

4231
04:13:41,880 --> 04:13:44,240
mean like it's not like Atriac defended it. And he was like, oh, well, I think you

4232
04:13:44,240 --> 04:13:46,440
should be able to do this, right? Like it was a thing that he apologized for. He

4233
04:13:46,440 --> 04:13:48,880
said it was a mistake. And then he hasn't done it supposedly in three or four years,

4234
04:13:48,880 --> 04:13:51,880
right? That's the difference. But if people don't want you in a space, it's

4235
04:13:51,880 --> 04:13:54,520
because they currently think that your behavior is unacceptable. Like this is

4236
04:13:54,520 --> 04:13:57,480
the most as a single noses. This is the most obvious thing in the universe. I

4237
04:13:57,480 --> 04:14:05,080
don't know why I'm. Hold on. This is obviously true. He knows this is true. I'm

4238
04:14:05,080 --> 04:14:13,920
getting rage-pated. It's just it's just convenient that it's it's only for you.

4239
04:14:13,920 --> 04:14:17,320
And by the way, I think what you did is like a thousand times worse than any

4240
04:14:17,320 --> 04:14:24,200
political shit. Oh my god. Like this is interpersonal stuff. Oh my god. Oh my god.

4241
04:14:24,200 --> 04:14:29,680
Why are we using these words? It's not I don't want to be mean about it, but it's

4242
04:14:29,680 --> 04:14:32,680
and everybody is allowed to have their feelings about it, but it wasn't even

4243
04:14:32,680 --> 04:14:36,960
like amazing AI shit. This was like back in the days of like a head is pasted

4244
04:14:36,960 --> 04:14:40,960
onto a fucking picture of a porn star. This was like fucking photoshopped here.

4245
04:14:40,960 --> 04:14:45,920
You want to know what was creepier and weirder? Honestly, just because of the

4246
04:14:45,920 --> 04:14:51,520
level of technology. Oh my god. Who's about to go? Sucked back to the past. Does

4247
04:14:51,520 --> 04:14:58,840
anybody remember the bubbling era? Oh my god. That was creepier and more

4248
04:14:58,840 --> 04:15:01,440
invasive.

4249
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:08,400
Then the- then the pasted fucking head on the fucking body, the porn star- I don't even know if it's a porn star body, or if the body was just fucking AI, oh my god.

4250
04:15:10,400 --> 04:15:14,000
Really, really bad, and it's really bad on a personal level too.

4251
04:15:18,200 --> 04:15:24,000
What do you say, that's the ice agents, the shot the idiot driver? This seems like a similar situation to L'chari. Yeah.

4252
04:15:25,600 --> 04:15:27,300
Up to live, I- I- that-

4253
04:15:28,000 --> 04:15:29,400
That's the card.

4254
04:15:30,000 --> 04:15:33,400
Like, I was accused of looking at child porn, by the way, but okay.

4255
04:15:33,800 --> 04:15:38,200
I just think that's a- I should be allowed to exist in my own space, and- and solve.

4256
04:15:38,400 --> 04:15:40,700
That's the only thing I- I want to say, and-

4257
04:15:41,200 --> 04:15:42,400
Oh, here's one thing.

4258
04:15:43,100 --> 04:15:46,200
Every other industry in the entire world disagrees with you.

4259
04:15:47,200 --> 04:15:57,700
If you were found at any job to be looking at AI-generated porn of your coworkers or colleagues, you would be totally out of that industry, and you would never be able to get a job in that industry ever again.

4260
04:15:59,900 --> 04:16:01,000
That's just the bottom line.

4261
04:16:01,200 --> 04:16:04,400
You'd never be able to get another job, you would be instantly fired.

4262
04:16:04,400 --> 04:16:07,900
This is not an- we're like entertainers, this is not an ordinary industry.

4263
04:16:07,900 --> 04:16:09,600
We're not like working for Twitch corporate.

4264
04:16:10,100 --> 04:16:21,500
Like, I agree with that, I was able to saying here, but like, basically almost- almost every single thing that we do on stream would be a no-go for any ordinary job.

4265
04:16:21,800 --> 04:16:25,500
Like, I mean, we're- it's an exceptional type of job that we work.

4266
04:16:26,100 --> 04:16:28,700
Like, it's an exceptional type of job.

4267
04:16:30,700 --> 04:16:33,000
They might seek legal action beyond that.

4268
04:16:33,400 --> 04:16:36,400
And after that, you would never be able to get a job in the industry.

4269
04:16:36,400 --> 04:16:40,900
You are so lucky that you are a YouTuber and nothing else.

4270
04:16:40,900 --> 04:16:41,400
Okay.

4271
04:16:41,900 --> 04:16:45,700
Because if you worked an actual real job, your career would be over.

4272
04:16:46,900 --> 04:16:54,100
I know, you know, I couldn't- I saw the post and I'm trying to, like, understand what an action I can take, because I'm- I want to be action-oriented, right?

4273
04:16:54,100 --> 04:16:55,400
You got to get out of the industry forever.

4274
04:16:55,400 --> 04:16:59,700
I- I- I don't know if this is the case, but I was planning to go to TwitchCon this year.

4275
04:16:59,700 --> 04:17:00,500
I was on a panel.

4276
04:17:00,800 --> 04:17:04,000
I reached out this morning and I dropped out because I don't know if that's going to make someone comfortable.

4277
04:17:04,000 --> 04:17:06,400
I- I feel like it's just going to make you look bad.

4278
04:17:07,300 --> 04:17:11,900
It's going to make you look bad and you're worried that people are going to come up to you and it's going to create more negative sentiment for you.

4279
04:17:11,900 --> 04:17:14,500
Don't act like you did this out of the goodness of your heart.

4280
04:17:14,700 --> 04:17:25,600
You did this in order to preserve your PR and to not have this inevitably come up because when that panel gets advertised, then you're going to have all the same people bringing this up and saying again, wait a minute.

4281
04:17:25,600 --> 04:17:29,200
Isn't this the guy who- and yeah, you know what you're doing.

4282
04:17:29,200 --> 04:17:30,900
I- I, like, people like this.

4283
04:17:30,900 --> 04:17:32,500
Like A-truck is a smart guy.

4284
04:17:32,500 --> 04:17:32,800
He is.

4285
04:17:32,800 --> 04:17:33,800
He's a smart guy.

4286
04:17:34,100 --> 04:17:36,700
So a lot of people might not see what he's doing here.

4287
04:17:36,700 --> 04:17:37,900
That's why I'm explaining it.

4288
04:17:38,100 --> 04:17:39,500
That's why he dropped out.

4289
04:17:39,500 --> 04:17:42,400
He didn't drop out because he was worried about the women being uncomfortable.

4290
04:17:42,500 --> 04:17:44,500
If he was worried about that, he wouldn't have gone to the wedding.

4291
04:17:44,800 --> 04:17:46,600
So fundamentally, you dropped out.

4292
04:17:46,600 --> 04:17:50,000
You- Everything that Asmigold is saying would be 100% true.

4293
04:17:50,000 --> 04:17:52,400
If fucking A-truck, did he sneak into the wedding?

4294
04:17:52,400 --> 04:17:53,300
Did I miss that?

4295
04:17:53,400 --> 04:17:54,700
Was he in a cardboard box?

4296
04:17:54,700 --> 04:17:56,200
Fucking Metal Gear Solid style?

4297
04:17:56,600 --> 04:17:58,000
Like, scooting his way into the wedding?

4298
04:17:58,000 --> 04:18:04,500
Like two of the victims, one directly and another that was kind of involved in the discussion a lot,

4299
04:18:04,700 --> 04:18:06,000
were involved in this.

4300
04:18:06,000 --> 04:18:07,400
Clearly, we're okay with him going.

4301
04:18:08,400 --> 04:18:09,100
Why?

4302
04:18:09,100 --> 04:18:12,600
Why does Poky think she has a right to intercede, or interject,

4303
04:18:13,800 --> 04:18:17,300
and tell those other people that they're not allowed to do that, right?

4304
04:18:17,300 --> 04:18:19,400
Like what cringe?

4305
04:18:19,700 --> 04:18:24,100
Because you think that it will create another flashpoint that will create negative sentiment and PR for you

4306
04:18:24,200 --> 04:18:27,300
that will force your friends who probably aren't even really your friends

4307
04:18:27,300 --> 04:18:29,900
to distance from you publicly and also privately.

4308
04:18:30,400 --> 04:18:31,600
That's why you're actually doing it.

4309
04:18:32,200 --> 04:18:35,600
The only area I would go where there would be crossover and so I'm just not going to go there.

4310
04:18:36,100 --> 04:18:37,300
And that's fine.

4311
04:18:37,300 --> 04:18:38,300
I think that's totally fine.

4312
04:18:38,300 --> 04:18:38,800
It's fine.

4313
04:18:38,800 --> 04:18:41,000
I would prefer it.

4314
04:18:41,000 --> 04:18:43,900
I'm trying to not get in the way of anything.

4315
04:18:43,900 --> 04:18:45,900
Okay, I'm trying to make the content that I make.

4316
04:18:45,900 --> 04:18:47,500
I have an audience that likes it.

4317
04:18:47,500 --> 04:18:48,500
I have a few.

4318
04:18:48,500 --> 04:18:51,900
Damn, do you see how rough it is on the lib network side of things?

4319
04:18:51,900 --> 04:18:54,900
Like remember everything I've said, all the rules I've given you

4320
04:18:54,900 --> 04:18:56,400
and how everybody conducts themselves, right?

4321
04:18:56,700 --> 04:18:57,500
What did I say before?

4322
04:18:57,500 --> 04:18:58,300
I hope I'm wrong.

4323
04:18:58,300 --> 04:18:59,200
There are some things that I do.

4324
04:18:59,200 --> 04:19:03,600
I do really do because I can adjust my way of doing the world and it gives me more ways to function

4325
04:19:03,600 --> 04:19:05,600
because it seems pretty doomer right now.

4326
04:19:05,900 --> 04:19:09,400
But like all of these people's networks are lighting up to come and shit

4327
04:19:09,400 --> 04:19:11,700
on fucking Atriac who's like a center left lib dude.

4328
04:19:11,800 --> 04:19:13,200
He's not a far leftist though.

4329
04:19:13,400 --> 04:19:19,300
So your ordinary defenses, your majority reports, your Hassan pikers, your Mike from PA.

4330
04:19:19,400 --> 04:19:23,500
None of those networks are lighting up to defend him and libs hate.

4331
04:19:24,500 --> 04:19:29,100
Like organizing is a unit to defend against like what a perceived external threat

4332
04:19:29,100 --> 04:19:30,500
because they never really perceive them as an external threat.

4333
04:19:30,500 --> 04:19:32,300
They think they're all part of the same system or applying the same game.

4334
04:19:32,700 --> 04:19:35,800
So I hope I'm wrong and I hope somebody will come out and be like,

4335
04:19:35,800 --> 04:19:37,700
Hey, this is kind of fucked.

4336
04:19:37,700 --> 04:19:39,700
I feel like how everybody's trying to destroy this dude's life.

4337
04:19:39,700 --> 04:19:44,200
I don't really know of life urination of he track is like the appropriate way forward for this.

4338
04:19:44,600 --> 04:19:49,800
But I haven't seen or heard anybody really that's in his network or circle of friends say anything.

4339
04:19:49,800 --> 04:19:51,000
I don't know if anybody will.

4340
04:19:51,700 --> 04:19:52,100
I don't know.

4341
04:19:52,100 --> 04:19:54,000
I just I feel like that's pretty sad.

4342
04:19:55,100 --> 04:19:57,000
You close friends and I think that's fair.

4343
04:19:57,700 --> 04:19:59,300
Anyway, that's that's what I'm doing.

4344
04:19:59,400 --> 04:19:59,900
I.

4345
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:07,280
disavow anyone at all who is trying to use this stuff to like attack people or be part of a larger that's me

4346
04:20:07,280 --> 04:20:09,040
I'm being disavowed

4347
04:20:09,040 --> 04:20:11,040
Well, too bad. It's gonna happen anyway

4348
04:20:12,000 --> 04:20:16,320
What too bad I'm pretty sure a track is attacking

4349
04:20:16,720 --> 04:20:20,960
Technically people like me in the circumstance if or or not

4350
04:20:21,520 --> 04:20:26,720
Maybe me kind of but more people online who are using it to go really hard and be really disgusting about Pokemon

4351
04:20:26,720 --> 04:20:28,720
I don't think this is

4352
04:20:28,720 --> 04:20:31,360
Only this is about as my goal, but okay

4353
04:20:33,120 --> 04:20:39,200
Or fucking cry over a culture war that is way above my head way outside of my zone. That's not what I'm in

4354
04:20:39,600 --> 04:20:45,920
Okay, that's how you are, but you are upset that this is happening in a way. That's uncomfortable for you

4355
04:20:46,240 --> 04:20:53,200
Oh my god, that's why that's why you know. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. There's another reason why it's hard for the the accused person to

4356
04:20:53,200 --> 04:20:59,120
Speak out would a track talk you no a turtle never ever ever be unsure of me because I'm too I'm like the personan on grata

4357
04:20:59,120 --> 04:21:02,560
For all the lefty like crazy people like if he would ever sort of associating with me

4358
04:21:02,880 --> 04:21:08,160
Anything that he's getting right now would be a billion times worse than would then whatever is happening. It would be insane

4359
04:21:08,800 --> 04:21:10,800
um

4360
04:21:10,800 --> 04:21:16,080
The um fuck. Well, I don't know what I'm sorry about it. Oh, no, I think uh

4361
04:21:17,200 --> 04:21:23,040
Terrell and quan wrote a post that is great that I agree with it is a fully valid. Okay. That's it. That's it for me

4362
04:21:23,200 --> 04:21:26,400
Jesus. Let me see if I could pull up the caroline post

4363
04:21:26,800 --> 04:21:30,640
No, holy shit said positive things about your job report doesn't matter. He says a positive thing or not. It's just um

4364
04:21:32,400 --> 04:21:37,200
Uh, it's because I'm marked for deletion by all like the lefties and then the kind of the maggot people but right now mainly the lefties

4365
04:21:37,200 --> 04:21:39,760
So it's just too hot. You're gonna be harassed so much

4366
04:21:40,400 --> 04:21:41,440
Um

4367
04:21:41,440 --> 04:21:46,720
Oh, what was I saying? One of the things it's really hard also for in circumstances like this like for the accused person to defend themselves

4368
04:21:46,720 --> 04:21:51,440
Is it like anything hrek can say people can always just hand wave away like what uh as well as they were like, well, of course

4369
04:21:51,440 --> 04:21:55,040
You want this to stop? It's hurting you. Of course you do. This is in your interest

4370
04:21:55,200 --> 04:21:57,040
Which is technically true

4371
04:21:57,040 --> 04:22:00,800
But then like this is why it would be even more important ideally for atriax friends

4372
04:22:01,040 --> 04:22:07,840
Maybe possibly to step out and maybe kind of possibly maybe say something maybe will they will they not who knows?

4373
04:22:08,960 --> 04:22:10,960
um

4374
04:22:12,080 --> 04:22:15,600
Yeah, do we have the caroline post? Let me see if I can find I can find this

4375
04:22:18,560 --> 04:22:24,880
As you know, you know, it's gonna be some bullshit, right? The the moment the moment a classic ponyman clip on me

4376
04:22:24,960 --> 04:22:28,480
Let me see if I can pull it up as cutie or ludwig said anything it would have to be

4377
04:22:29,600 --> 04:22:32,800
I have to think about this. Unfortunately though. I think it would have to be a man

4378
04:22:32,880 --> 04:22:34,720
I don't think it could be a woman

4379
04:22:34,720 --> 04:22:38,080
because I the the problem with I've talked about this before with some of these um

4380
04:22:38,960 --> 04:22:45,360
Allegation type things the problem with the that women coming out and saying something is that it puts the woman in a really really really

4381
04:22:45,360 --> 04:22:50,240
really awkward spot because now it sounds like the fixation is on like here's uh

4382
04:22:50,320 --> 04:22:54,160
Here's like an abused and battered woman who's coming out and contradicting other women

4383
04:22:54,240 --> 04:22:58,640
So she's throwing other women under the bus for her guy friend. That's a really hard position to be on

4384
04:22:58,640 --> 04:23:01,680
I think it's easier for um for a man to come out and just say like hey

4385
04:23:01,680 --> 04:23:05,920
I think there should be maybe forgiveness or some bullshit in this space or something like that without striking more to it

4386
04:23:06,240 --> 04:23:11,360
But the but the problem is is that because pokey wanted so much attention from this and because she tried to victimize herself so much

4387
04:23:11,520 --> 04:23:14,160
Well, there are other women that were technically victimized as well

4388
04:23:14,560 --> 04:23:17,760
Um, and now those women if they come out and contradict pokey statement

4389
04:23:17,760 --> 04:23:22,560
It's going to be like women fighting other women over whether or not they're allowed to have victims status

4390
04:23:22,560 --> 04:23:24,160
And that's it's a really really really weird

4391
04:23:24,160 --> 04:23:31,120
It's weird for the men too for sure, but it puts the the um it puts the the victim class in a really weird spot

4392
04:23:31,200 --> 04:23:33,600
That's difficult for them. So yeah, I don't know

4393
04:23:36,000 --> 04:23:38,000
Give me one second

4394
04:23:38,160 --> 04:23:42,480
I think it was on lsl if I just didn't have a time to a time it'd be better if it was a lot of people at once

4395
04:23:42,480 --> 04:23:47,760
Yeah, that's true too actually if they had the same network things that like maga or the tankies had then that would be the easiest thing

4396
04:23:47,760 --> 04:23:50,800
Because then all of them would be in lockstep alignment and they would say oh, this is just goofy and stupid

4397
04:23:50,800 --> 04:23:54,080
None of this is a big deal at all and then that would just be a just like they did for platinum

4398
04:23:54,480 --> 04:23:57,360
Just like they did for any other left just like they do for hasan

4399
04:23:57,440 --> 04:24:01,280
Would despite all his weird sex creepy fucking, you know rapists, whatever allegations all that shit

4400
04:24:01,520 --> 04:24:06,080
Um, if you just all come out together as a unified thing and say then it's not a big deal at all because then everybody sees like the unified thing

4401
04:24:06,080 --> 04:24:08,640
And they're like oh well something, you know, this guy must be fine

4402
04:24:08,640 --> 04:24:12,080
I guess like all these people are vouching for him because that's how humans just interact with every media environment

4403
04:24:12,480 --> 04:24:16,000
And that's it. They'll look at it. Where is it?

4404
04:24:17,600 --> 04:24:19,600
No

4405
04:24:22,000 --> 04:24:27,040
No, it's a little wild that cutie hasn't said anything since she's been labeled as tangentially aligned slash enabling

4406
04:24:28,000 --> 04:24:31,600
Well poky was smart to kind of fixate it on atriac maybe

4407
04:24:32,160 --> 04:24:37,440
Um, man, it just puts cutie in such a rough spot like I feel sad for her

4408
04:24:38,720 --> 04:24:40,080
Um

4409
04:24:40,080 --> 04:24:45,280
I don't know because like I said, I think that I think that this stuff. I think it legitimately did bother cutie

4410
04:24:45,600 --> 04:24:49,360
Um, I don't think she likes the idea of her being sexualized and stuff

4411
04:24:49,360 --> 04:24:54,240
I think that I think that was a thing that legitimately bothered the fuck out of her and it sucks especially as a woman

4412
04:24:54,400 --> 04:24:58,000
Especially on twitch, it's just the thing you have to deal with a lot whether you want to or not

4413
04:24:58,560 --> 04:25:00,560
So it wouldn't surprise me if this

4414
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:04,800
this whole event has just like made her feel incredibly uncomfortable and not good. So yeah.

4415
04:25:06,240 --> 04:25:10,080
I might not be able to. I'm sorry guys. Don't you and QD hate each other? I don't know if QD hates

4416
04:25:10,080 --> 04:25:16,640
me. Probably. I never hate anybody for that long. Okay. It's all in the document. Okay,

4417
04:25:16,640 --> 04:25:19,920
you have it. All right. All right. Good. Let's go look at it. Next. Next.

4418
04:25:21,520 --> 04:25:26,160
I want to calm down my my nervous system. Again, this all came really like I don't

4419
04:25:26,160 --> 04:25:31,200
want to do the most stressful thing possible. My nervous system. This all making my nervous

4420
04:25:31,200 --> 04:25:35,520
system so dysregulated. Like when you see someone who did something like that, take your SSR eyes.

4421
04:25:35,520 --> 04:25:40,800
Oh my god. And they're like, like I don't know in the same event. Like happy. They're not killing

4422
04:25:40,800 --> 04:25:45,040
themselves. Then it's like, or in the same tournaments or in the same rooms with your friends. It makes

4423
04:25:45,040 --> 04:25:49,520
you if you have experienced this, I don't know how else to explain it, but it sends signals to like

4424
04:25:49,520 --> 04:25:55,200
the animal part of you that's like, you're not safe here. Run. I hate I hate her. I do. I'm sorry.

4425
04:25:55,200 --> 04:25:58,960
It's just crazy, bro. You're not safe here. And to be honest, the thing is, yeah, sometimes

4426
04:25:58,960 --> 04:26:02,800
no one's going to save you. You got to save yourself. Oh, yeah. Girl ebon, etc.

4427
04:26:02,800 --> 04:26:05,920
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What do we got? What do we got? What do we got? Tell them you tell them.

4428
04:26:06,480 --> 04:26:12,320
Make God you ain't funny. Oh, no, true. Oh, true. True. True. True. Don't watch me. Don't watch me.

4429
04:26:12,320 --> 04:26:18,000
Stop watching my clips. Hell, yes. And lane. My queen, my queen, my queen, my queen. Oh my god.

4430
04:26:18,000 --> 04:26:23,200
Only lane when you say that shit stuff. Hell, yes. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god.

4431
04:26:24,240 --> 04:26:29,440
Anivia, by the way. Man, I shit you not. Pokemon deleted the vaud, but forgot all the clips on

4432
04:26:29,440 --> 04:26:35,680
her own Twitch channel. This is crazy. Wait, so she has all the clips still. Let me see it.

4433
04:26:40,960 --> 04:26:46,160
There she is. It's really. And the thing is, I think people don't realize because there

4434
04:26:46,160 --> 04:26:54,000
is that's that's the AI generated porn of yourself and other streamers right there on

4435
04:26:54,000 --> 04:27:02,480
the screen. That's right there. You pulled it up. See on the stream initially. I know that these

4436
04:27:02,480 --> 04:27:07,840
are all photos of me because I, you know, I take photos of myself and I know what my IG feed.

4437
04:27:08,400 --> 04:27:11,200
You changed your opinion on QD reaction to the whole situation. I remember you went in hard on

4438
04:27:11,200 --> 04:27:15,680
her crying when they did poke in my instrument by herself. I, I, this is impossible for anybody

4439
04:27:15,680 --> 04:27:21,680
to understand. Okay. I understand this is impossible to understand. I think that QD, in my opinion,

4440
04:27:21,680 --> 04:27:25,360
I feel like she dramatically overreacted and that overreaction didn't need to be online.

4441
04:27:25,360 --> 04:27:30,400
Okay. That is an opinion that I have. I still stand by that. However, I also think that it's

4442
04:27:30,400 --> 04:27:34,880
okay for her to feel upset and not be cool with it and just feel really gross about it.

4443
04:27:34,880 --> 04:27:41,760
And I also think that it's, um, oh my God. Is he ever going to on agro me or am I agro now

4444
04:27:41,760 --> 04:27:45,280
forever because I hit this fucking retard? Um, I think it's okay for her to say something about

4445
04:27:45,280 --> 04:27:52,000
it. I do feel like she overreacted a bit, at least a little bit. Um, but I, but I also think it's

4446
04:27:52,000 --> 04:27:56,000
okay to feel grossed out by it. Is that okay? Can we hold, can we hold like this combination of

4447
04:27:56,720 --> 04:28:08,240
opinions in our minds? Is that possible or no? Looks like this is, it's not okay. Yeah. And I

4448
04:28:08,240 --> 04:28:14,480
hope that I am not, um, I hope I'm talking about it. Okay. It's not easy to revisit these things.

4449
04:28:15,520 --> 04:28:21,600
It's not easy. No, I'm sure this must be so hard for you.

4450
04:28:23,360 --> 04:28:29,040
I'm sure it must be so. Oh, yeah. It's not easy. That's why I'm pulling it up and looking at it again.

4451
04:28:30,160 --> 04:28:32,400
True. From asthma gold. Oh my God.

4452
04:28:34,960 --> 04:28:39,760
It's so performative. I know it is. So it's just, it's so obnoxious. Oh,

4453
04:28:41,760 --> 04:28:47,280
is this the fappening? I bet it probably is, right? Let me see. Here we go.

4454
04:28:49,600 --> 04:28:52,720
If Pokemon really cared, she would never be friends with a song. Let me turn this up.

4455
04:28:54,560 --> 04:28:58,880
If Pokemon really, how many of my clips is he watching? Like there, she would never be friends

4456
04:28:58,880 --> 04:29:02,160
with a song that used the celebrity leaks. Like a sunset, the leaks were awesome. That's

4457
04:29:02,160 --> 04:29:05,920
way worse. It's real pictures of real people. Hrek was doing something in private and it got leaked.

4458
04:29:06,560 --> 04:29:09,680
Not true, but I mean, none of these people were ever, there are no standards obviously,

4459
04:29:09,680 --> 04:29:11,360
right? It's all fucking team sports, but that is true.

4460
04:29:12,240 --> 04:29:18,640
My song was celebrating the fappening. No way. No way. Who could have ever predicted that?

4461
04:29:19,280 --> 04:29:23,360
Who could have ever predicted this? Wow. Wow. She probably monetized those AI images,

4462
04:29:23,360 --> 04:29:25,520
which is why she's bringing them up again and pretending to victimhood. I have no idea.

4463
04:29:26,640 --> 04:29:31,680
The girl was popping on school. I have no idea. I have no idea. But yeah.

4464
04:29:32,720 --> 04:29:37,200
Destiny, Pokemon, and the title. Oh boy. LSF posters are finally doing SEO. We're finally

4465
04:29:37,200 --> 04:29:43,200
closer to a genuine exodia post. As my gold react. As my reacts to destiny calling,

4466
04:29:43,200 --> 04:29:46,560
I'll put you out of being friends with the song. I'm still missing two legs.

4467
04:29:47,280 --> 04:29:52,240
Only one more left. Now all you need is to react to be reacting and it's going to be over.

4468
04:29:52,240 --> 04:29:56,560
There you go. There you go, bro. Like yeah, forming the exodia right now. I love it.

4469
04:29:56,560 --> 04:29:59,920
So yeah, reacts. Oh, I mean, because it's just, it's so obnoxious. It is. And yeah, how is it?

4470
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:01,240
that you cannot call this out.

4471
04:30:01,240 --> 04:30:02,520
'Cause like overall, by the way,

4472
04:30:02,520 --> 04:30:04,600
is it worse to have AI-generated images,

4473
04:30:04,600 --> 04:30:06,680
or is it worse to non-consensually obtain

4474
04:30:06,680 --> 04:30:08,920
somebody's actual images of themselves naked?

4475
04:30:08,920 --> 04:30:10,760
I think that real images are a thousand times worse,

4476
04:30:10,760 --> 04:30:11,840
and I think, yeah, no shit.

4477
04:30:11,840 --> 04:30:13,600
It's not even remotely close.

4478
04:30:13,600 --> 04:30:16,040
Like the real stuff is like way, way, way worse,

4479
04:30:16,040 --> 04:30:17,560
especially if you, like, I mean, they're both bad,

4480
04:30:17,560 --> 04:30:19,000
but like one is like extremely bad,

4481
04:30:19,000 --> 04:30:20,440
and the other one is just bad.

4482
04:30:20,440 --> 04:30:21,440
Thank you, yes, exactly.

4483
04:30:21,440 --> 04:30:22,480
I mean, I don't know what this is.

4484
04:30:22,480 --> 04:30:25,200
So let's see, oh no, is this the fappening?

4485
04:30:29,000 --> 04:30:31,040
Wow, coworkers looking at the leak nudes

4486
04:30:31,040 --> 04:30:32,800
from hijacking Scandal while I judge them.

4487
04:30:32,800 --> 04:30:35,840
This is Anna Casparian fucking 12 years ago,

4488
04:30:35,840 --> 04:30:36,900
and look who it is.

4489
04:30:38,360 --> 04:30:41,180
Man, who could have expected that?

4490
04:30:42,240 --> 04:30:43,920
Literally everyone.

4491
04:30:43,920 --> 04:30:46,040
Literally everybody, that's crazy.

4492
04:30:46,040 --> 04:30:47,560
So yeah, and I'm old, I remember this.

4493
04:30:47,560 --> 04:30:49,520
I did too, you know what's crazy?

4494
04:30:49,520 --> 04:30:50,800
I never even looked at any of the images

4495
04:30:50,800 --> 04:30:53,080
from like all the celebrities like getting their nudes leaked,

4496
04:30:53,080 --> 04:30:56,320
because like I didn't really think they were that hot.

4497
04:30:56,320 --> 04:30:58,480
I didn't, like I didn't really care that much.

4498
04:30:59,840 --> 04:31:02,840
Yeah, I didn't, I didn't, I mean, I think they're all right,

4499
04:31:02,840 --> 04:31:07,160
but like, I mean, I don't know, like it wasn't any of them.

4500
04:31:07,160 --> 04:31:09,520
That was like really like, oh my God, this is it.

4501
04:31:09,520 --> 04:31:11,880
Like, so yeah, no, I really, I never did.

4502
04:31:11,880 --> 04:31:13,360
I mean, if they were hot, I would have, I didn't.

4503
04:31:13,360 --> 04:31:14,560
Oh, this is all right now.

4504
04:31:14,560 --> 04:31:16,640
You've got, oh boy, oh boy, here we go.

4505
04:31:17,880 --> 04:31:19,400
Who commits these harms take steps towards accountability?

4506
04:31:19,400 --> 04:31:21,080
Like, that doesn't erase the harm.

4507
04:31:21,080 --> 04:31:21,920
And I think--

4508
04:31:21,920 --> 04:31:23,400
- What did Asm evurgency this much?

4509
04:31:23,400 --> 04:31:25,680
I don't know, Asm ends fucking fat jerk habits

4510
04:31:25,680 --> 04:31:26,520
or whatever.

4511
04:31:26,520 --> 04:31:28,760
That's maybe that's not the most unbelievable thing now.

4512
04:31:28,760 --> 04:31:31,240
- I don't have any celebrity, I've never like been

4513
04:31:31,240 --> 04:31:32,120
like a big celebrity person.

4514
04:31:32,120 --> 04:31:33,680
I don't actually think I've ever seen any of the fat things.

4515
04:31:33,680 --> 04:31:35,160
I'm sure I have like in a nude thing somewhere,

4516
04:31:35,160 --> 04:31:37,160
but I never were looking for it 'cause I've never been like,

4517
04:31:37,160 --> 04:31:41,200
oh, celebrity, oh, I'm so sorry, oh, oh, oh.

4518
04:31:41,200 --> 04:31:42,840
- People need, in fact, it seems like he's only benefited

4519
04:31:42,840 --> 04:31:43,680
from this.

4520
04:31:43,680 --> 04:31:44,800
It seems like he now has this infinite shield

4521
04:31:44,800 --> 04:31:45,720
of rehabilitation attachment.

4522
04:31:45,720 --> 04:31:48,400
Why would anybody want that attached to them?

4523
04:31:48,400 --> 04:31:49,240
I'm really sure they would just

4524
04:31:49,240 --> 04:31:50,080
rather have never gone through the thing at all.

4525
04:31:50,080 --> 04:31:50,920
Oh my God.

4526
04:31:50,920 --> 04:31:51,760
- Would you rather be rehabilitated?

4527
04:31:51,760 --> 04:31:53,440
Or would you have rather never been exposed publicly

4528
04:31:53,440 --> 04:31:55,400
and humiliated from your wife and all of your friends

4529
04:31:55,400 --> 04:31:57,240
for seeking out AI-generated porn

4530
04:31:57,240 --> 04:31:58,960
of your friends, girlfriends, and your coworkers?

4531
04:31:58,960 --> 04:32:00,720
But like, oh yeah, but you rehabilitated your image?

4532
04:32:00,720 --> 04:32:02,160
Oh, well, he's so privileged because now he has

4533
04:32:02,160 --> 04:32:03,000
to shield around him.

4534
04:32:03,000 --> 04:32:04,080
You know what else we're giving him a shield?

4535
04:32:04,080 --> 04:32:06,600
Never having it happen to begin with.

4536
04:32:06,600 --> 04:32:11,200
- I, Jesus, that nobody called out the wedding.

4537
04:32:11,200 --> 04:32:12,040
They'd be like, oh, he should really have

4538
04:32:12,040 --> 04:32:13,960
a better understanding of concepts of forgiveness

4539
04:32:13,960 --> 04:32:15,640
and accountability because that is not something

4540
04:32:15,640 --> 04:32:17,680
that is, forgiveness is not though, it is not conditional.

4541
04:32:17,680 --> 04:32:19,440
And also, even in a case where forgiveness is granted,

4542
04:32:19,440 --> 04:32:21,120
it does not change the fact that harms were committed

4543
04:32:21,120 --> 04:32:22,200
and it also doesn't then guarantee

4544
04:32:22,200 --> 04:32:23,520
that anything needs to result from that.

4545
04:32:23,520 --> 04:32:24,840
- Like, this is why nobody likes talking to leftists.

4546
04:32:24,840 --> 04:32:26,080
Everything is a fucking drag on everything.

4547
04:32:26,080 --> 04:32:26,920
Holy shit.

4548
04:32:26,920 --> 04:32:27,760
You do one wrong thing and it's like,

4549
04:32:27,760 --> 04:32:28,840
your life is fucked anyway.

4550
04:32:28,840 --> 04:32:30,240
- Because they're control freaks.

4551
04:32:30,240 --> 04:32:31,800
They are aggressive control freaks

4552
04:32:31,800 --> 04:32:33,240
that wanna tell everybody what to do.

4553
04:32:33,240 --> 04:32:34,120
That's what they are.

4554
04:32:34,120 --> 04:32:35,960
It has nothing to do with an ideology.

4555
04:32:35,960 --> 04:32:37,920
- We're still doing the leafy two out of 10 thing.

4556
04:32:37,920 --> 04:32:39,360
Like, I'm not into any of these girls,

4557
04:32:39,360 --> 04:32:41,240
but they're above average all.

4558
04:32:41,240 --> 04:32:43,640
I'm not, hold on, please don't mistake what I'm saying.

4559
04:32:43,640 --> 04:32:44,680
I'm not saying they're ugly.

4560
04:32:44,680 --> 04:32:45,880
- Or I would never look at their ugly or whatever.

4561
04:32:45,880 --> 04:32:48,000
I just don't, I don't have like a particular obsession

4562
04:32:48,000 --> 04:32:49,920
with some people are obsessed with like celebrity.

4563
04:32:49,920 --> 04:32:51,680
I just, I don't, I don't know, I just don't.

4564
04:32:51,680 --> 04:32:52,760
- It's the way they act.

4565
04:32:52,760 --> 04:32:53,760
That's what it's all about.

4566
04:32:53,760 --> 04:32:57,680
- Yeah, they're fascists, they're control freaks.

4567
04:32:57,680 --> 04:32:59,600
It was never about the pictures or anything else.

4568
04:32:59,600 --> 04:33:01,280
It was always about them being able

4569
04:33:01,280 --> 04:33:03,080
to exercise their will on somebody else

4570
04:33:03,080 --> 04:33:05,040
and make them do something.

4571
04:33:05,040 --> 04:33:06,520
He didn't break any laws.

4572
04:33:06,520 --> 04:33:08,280
Who the fuck said he broke the law?

4573
04:33:09,720 --> 04:33:10,720
- I want you to like kill yourself

4574
04:33:10,720 --> 04:33:11,560
and hate everything forever.

4575
04:33:11,560 --> 04:33:13,360
Like it's just so cringe the way that this whole conversation

4576
04:33:13,360 --> 04:33:14,360
is framed is fucking wild.

4577
04:33:14,360 --> 04:33:15,360
Oh my God.

4578
04:33:15,360 --> 04:33:17,640
- From wage job and then for the rest of his life.

4579
04:33:17,640 --> 04:33:18,480
- Yeah, that's right.

4580
04:33:18,480 --> 04:33:19,320
It's over.

4581
04:33:19,320 --> 04:33:20,160
And let me go and pull this up.

4582
04:33:20,160 --> 04:33:21,000
Where did this go?

4583
04:33:21,000 --> 04:33:21,840
Okay, let me see it.

4584
04:33:21,840 --> 04:33:22,680
So once they're poking me,

4585
04:33:22,680 --> 04:33:24,520
oh yeah, okay, all right.

4586
04:33:24,520 --> 04:33:25,360
- But the most annoying thing,

4587
04:33:25,360 --> 04:33:26,200
the reason why none of these people give a fuck

4588
04:33:26,200 --> 04:33:28,080
about the actual anything actually involved in this.

4589
04:33:28,080 --> 04:33:30,000
- Is because they pulled it up themselves on stream.

4590
04:33:30,000 --> 04:33:30,840
Is that why?

4591
04:33:30,840 --> 04:33:32,240
Is because they pulled it up on stream themselves

4592
04:33:32,240 --> 04:33:33,840
to show people, hey, look at this.

4593
04:33:33,840 --> 04:33:35,840
- Is because anytime you talk about any of this,

4594
04:33:35,840 --> 04:33:37,680
you are substantially increasing the amount of people

4595
04:33:37,680 --> 04:33:38,800
that are going to search for it and find it.

4596
04:33:38,800 --> 04:33:40,080
Every time fucking picks you.

4597
04:33:40,080 --> 04:33:41,440
- This, by the way, is the reason why I don't talk

4598
04:33:41,440 --> 04:33:44,000
about swatting or anything like that?

4599
04:33:44,000 --> 04:33:45,520
Like even if somebody else gets swatted or something,

4600
04:33:45,520 --> 04:33:47,240
like I don't ever talk about it.

4601
04:33:48,280 --> 04:33:49,120
- Who just did that?

4602
04:33:49,120 --> 04:33:49,960
- I don't know where to come from.

4603
04:33:49,960 --> 04:33:51,520
All the fucking website links to where my fucking--

4604
04:33:51,520 --> 04:33:52,360
- Everybody's posted.

4605
04:33:52,360 --> 04:33:53,200
- Every time she does this,

4606
04:33:53,200 --> 04:33:54,280
I know that there's a whole bunch of interest

4607
04:33:54,280 --> 04:33:55,120
that's all dragged up,

4608
04:33:55,120 --> 04:33:56,480
so people go and search stuff and look at stuff, okay.

4609
04:33:56,480 --> 04:33:57,320
And the same thing for this.

4610
04:33:57,320 --> 04:33:58,540
If Pokemon felt that she didn't want to be in her age

4611
04:33:58,540 --> 04:34:00,040
or whatever, she can just talk to QD,

4612
04:34:00,040 --> 04:34:01,520
she can talk to Leadway, she can talk like,

4613
04:34:01,520 --> 04:34:02,480
all of these people could have addressed

4614
04:34:02,480 --> 04:34:03,560
and talked about all of this behind the scenes.

4615
04:34:03,560 --> 04:34:05,160
There's absolutely, going public

4616
04:34:05,160 --> 04:34:06,880
was literally like a last response last resort

4617
04:34:06,880 --> 04:34:07,880
if nothing else was working.

4618
04:34:07,880 --> 04:34:09,320
- Well, it was a first response

4619
04:34:09,320 --> 04:34:10,960
'cause she wanted attention.

4620
04:34:10,960 --> 04:34:13,400
She wanted attention and she wanted to make them look bad.

4621
04:34:13,400 --> 04:34:14,880
- The fact that Poke just wanted to come on stream

4622
04:34:14,880 --> 04:34:16,600
and the fact that Poke was linking pictures of it

4623
04:34:16,600 --> 04:34:22,040
that were slightly different, what is wrong with you?

4624
04:34:22,040 --> 04:34:22,880
The answer is that it probably doesn't bother that much.

4625
04:34:22,880 --> 04:34:23,920
- Yeah, yeah, this is a rhetorical question.

4626
04:34:23,920 --> 04:34:24,760
- I know what it sounds mean to say it,

4627
04:34:24,760 --> 04:34:26,760
but I don't have a theory of mind for somebody

4628
04:34:26,760 --> 04:34:28,600
who can laugh and giggle and sing through that

4629
04:34:28,600 --> 04:34:30,160
four years later and then show slightly

4630
04:34:30,160 --> 04:34:31,160
censored pictures of it on stream,

4631
04:34:31,160 --> 04:34:32,800
but then pretend that this is a hugely violent thing

4632
04:34:32,800 --> 04:34:34,640
that's bothering them, I just don't believe it, I don't buy it.

4633
04:34:34,640 --> 04:34:36,800
It's crazy, it's crazy behavior to me.

4634
04:34:36,800 --> 04:34:37,880
- It's emotional manipulation.

4635
04:34:37,880 --> 04:34:39,480
- For somebody that supposedly doesn't want any of this

4636
04:34:39,480 --> 04:34:40,640
or doesn't want any of this stuff out again,

4637
04:34:40,640 --> 04:34:41,960
you're doing everything you can to maximize.

4638
04:34:41,960 --> 04:34:43,600
And also, by the way, to any other victim

4639
04:34:43,600 --> 04:34:45,360
that was involved because certainly QD

4640
04:34:45,360 --> 04:34:47,000
or my or any other people whose pictures were involved in that,

4641
04:34:47,000 --> 04:34:48,720
their stuff is all definitely been looked up more now as well

4642
04:34:48,720 --> 04:34:50,280
because Poke decided to drag us out to--

4643
04:34:50,280 --> 04:34:51,920
- That's true, that's true.

4644
04:34:51,920 --> 04:34:54,080
Car bringing this up again has definitely got more people

4645
04:34:54,080 --> 04:34:55,560
looking it up and generating more photos like this,

4646
04:34:55,560 --> 04:34:56,400
absolutely.

4647
04:34:56,400 --> 04:34:58,120
- Everybody's in front of everybody to go and search for

4648
04:34:58,120 --> 04:34:59,000
and be curious about, so it's like,

4649
04:34:59,000 --> 04:35:00,920
you clearly, there's no care for any of these.

4650
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:02,920
actual underlying. Somebody says in chat, I don't know if this is true. Google trends

4651
04:35:02,920 --> 04:35:09,220
show a plus 100% increase in searches for Pokemon this week, plus 40% image searches.

4652
04:35:09,220 --> 04:35:16,200
I wonder why like gross things. This is just it's so funny for me to see this. It is it's

4653
04:35:16,200 --> 04:35:20,420
so fucking funny. And it's just it's so embarrassing and so annoying to see this. I don't even

4654
04:35:20,420 --> 04:35:23,400
know what else to say. I mean, like, let me see if there's any more comments about this,

4655
04:35:23,400 --> 04:35:27,460
but yeah, it's just fucking embarrassing to look at. And where the fuck did this go loses

4656
04:35:27,460 --> 04:35:31,200
Valheim after 33 characters in the ash. Oh, yeah, it's really hard. What do you expect?

4657
04:35:31,200 --> 04:35:39,240
So what is this? You know, let me see. This is a hundred times worse than AI generated

4658
04:35:39,240 --> 04:35:50,760
pictures. Let me see. Oh, God, the sunship. He's 23 24 years old. Oh my God, guys, I just

4659
04:35:50,760 --> 04:35:54,960
saw boobs. Holy shit, guys, guys. Okay, get ready. Sit down, sit down. You want to

4660
04:35:54,960 --> 04:35:59,740
see this? Guess what I just saw? Wow, I can't believe charnudes link today, which leads

4661
04:35:59,740 --> 04:36:04,600
me to think I should have wished for a billion dollars instead. You know, what's really funny

4662
04:36:04,600 --> 04:36:09,880
is that if you pixelated this, you could probably say that's clavicular. Is it is it

4663
04:36:09,880 --> 04:36:14,880
what was has sawn a failed version of clavicular that just simply went a different direction?

4664
04:36:14,880 --> 04:36:19,280
Really, if you just look at the small image, like you could easily say this is like a like

4665
04:36:19,280 --> 04:36:24,480
an offshoot clavicular. Oh my God. And failed artists. I don't know about that. But let me

4666
04:36:24,480 --> 04:36:29,920
go and look at this one more track. You're not going to lose money. It's not that money,

4667
04:36:29,920 --> 04:36:33,760
buddy, buddy, like stop doing that. Like that. Like there's a there's life left to be lived

4668
04:36:33,760 --> 04:36:36,960
in it. Okay, get make and define anything you're going to do in the future. Okay, based on

4669
04:36:36,960 --> 04:36:39,840
one thing that you did, because other people are hanging above your head. Oh, wait, I need

4670
04:36:39,840 --> 04:36:42,560
to think of your own life and be like, okay, this is not about my head. And I'm an advocate

4671
04:36:42,560 --> 04:36:44,720
to not move forward in my fucking life because this is fucking worthless. Like otherwise,

4672
04:36:44,720 --> 04:36:47,280
you're gonna be fucking miserable. Nobody. I'm just not gonna go there. He can't do that.

4673
04:36:47,280 --> 04:36:50,760
He can't move forward. He can't move forward because these are the communities that he's

4674
04:36:50,760 --> 04:36:54,320
involved in. And the pressure won't just be on him. The pressure is going to be on the

4675
04:36:54,320 --> 04:36:58,720
all of the other people around him to conform because this is how they practice their power

4676
04:36:58,720 --> 04:37:02,160
or whatever, right? Because he's cultivated that kind of an audience and he has to play

4677
04:37:02,160 --> 04:37:05,120
the character he has. I disagree that he's cultivated the audience. It's just that that's

4678
04:37:05,120 --> 04:37:08,720
the community. I don't think a track per se cultivated this audience, but he's part of

4679
04:37:08,720 --> 04:37:12,880
the communities of people that have to play this character. He has to he has to do this

4680
04:37:12,880 --> 04:37:16,080
dishonest portrayal himself. He has to do this. And that's fine. I think that's totally fine.

4681
04:37:16,080 --> 04:37:20,160
That's fine. I would prefer it. I'm trying to not get in the way of anything. I'm trying

4682
04:37:20,160 --> 04:37:22,960
to make the content that I make. I have an audience that likes it. I have a few close

4683
04:37:22,960 --> 04:37:26,640
friends. And I think that's fair. Anyway, that's that's what I'm doing. I disavow.

4684
04:37:26,640 --> 04:37:30,160
And you know, I believe that because he if you got to wait to the wedding night,

4685
04:37:30,160 --> 04:37:32,960
it means that he does have a close friend because it goes like we can see past this mistake, right?

4686
04:37:32,960 --> 04:37:37,280
So that's good. Yeah. And it's a shitty audience. No self preservation. I mean,

4687
04:37:37,280 --> 04:37:39,440
again, there's nothing else he can really do. I mean, he has to do this. I mean,

4688
04:37:39,440 --> 04:37:42,560
I don't think there's any other any other example, right? I mean, there's no other way that you can

4689
04:37:42,560 --> 04:37:46,240
you can address it. Dan Saltman defends himself saying tomorrow looks one to one with Anne Frank.

4690
04:37:47,120 --> 04:37:50,960
What the hell is this? Well, before I finish that, I want to just say like this just in general,

4691
04:37:50,960 --> 04:37:55,600
bro, like the amount of behavior and like weird shit that these streamers get into is actually

4692
04:37:55,600 --> 04:37:58,880
like just very, very unsettling. Like I don't know about you guys, but like some of these

4693
04:37:58,880 --> 04:38:03,680
streamers are just so weird, man. They are they're so weird. They're so obnoxious. They're so like,

4694
04:38:03,680 --> 04:38:07,520
like just nasty. I just don't want to have anything to do with them. I really don't. And then seeing

4695
04:38:07,520 --> 04:38:10,800
all these people try to bring it up and everything else that happened and just knowing that like,

4696
04:38:10,800 --> 04:38:14,400
none of this is really for any sort of like real legitimate reason. It's just you doing this so you

4697
04:38:14,400 --> 04:38:19,440
can feel good about yourself. One of the big problems with these spaces in the liberal space as well.

4698
04:38:19,440 --> 04:38:24,480
And this is like a thing that's very hard for people to be critical of because it doesn't feel good.

4699
04:38:25,440 --> 04:38:30,960
But one of the difficult things is that it's not enough to just have good people. You need

4700
04:38:30,960 --> 04:38:35,680
warriors. That's one of my biggest strengths. Hutch has been doing a good job at it lately.

4701
04:38:35,680 --> 04:38:39,440
But like you can see that it's like in these spaces, it's not enough to have like people that are

4702
04:38:40,560 --> 04:38:44,560
just like good people are doing the best. So you're you're sometimes useful into your quote-unquote

4703
04:38:44,560 --> 04:38:49,280
libs crowd or just like your ordinary libs. They're just like, they're nice. They're good people. And

4704
04:38:49,280 --> 04:38:53,040
it feels bad to demand something of them to say like, Hey, I know you're a good person, but like,

4705
04:38:53,040 --> 04:38:57,760
you really need to say something. And I actually think this is where the biggest inaction thing

4706
04:38:57,760 --> 04:39:04,640
comes from. Because one of the things that we do when we look at bad historical events is we always

4707
04:39:04,640 --> 04:39:07,840
look at it through the lens of these were the bad guys and we're the good guys. And then we

4708
04:39:07,840 --> 04:39:12,240
transport ourselves back into time. We always think of them as being the bad guys and we would go back

4709
04:39:12,240 --> 04:39:15,040
in time as the good guys. And so we would oppose them, right? So the classic, like, would you

4710
04:39:15,040 --> 04:39:18,480
afford against the Nazis? And it's like, well, yeah, of course I would. I hate Nazis. They're bad.

4711
04:39:18,480 --> 04:39:22,160
I know they're bad. But what you don't consider is that like, well, at the time, you know, like

4712
04:39:22,160 --> 04:39:26,000
that you were Germany and there was a Nazi party and like these are kind of like your countrymen.

4713
04:39:26,000 --> 04:39:29,360
And it's kind of weird. And you maybe disagree with them. But they're also kind of like they're

4714
04:39:29,360 --> 04:39:33,600
a lot closer to you than you realize. And so people always romanticize this idea about like

4715
04:39:33,600 --> 04:39:37,520
standing up to oppression and standing up to these really super ultra bad people. But it's like,

4716
04:39:37,520 --> 04:39:41,200
generally people always stand up to really ultra bad people generally speed you go to wars and

4717
04:39:41,200 --> 04:39:45,120
it's clearly obviously horrible like people stand up to it. But it's all the incremental steps on the

4718
04:39:45,120 --> 04:39:50,160
way there for the people that are ostensibly on your side or in your group that you actually

4719
04:39:50,160 --> 04:39:54,240
need people to stand up against. Like that's the important thing is getting your nice and

4720
04:39:54,240 --> 04:39:58,720
good people like your Atriacs or like your lily peaches or like your people that are like they're

4721
04:39:58,720 --> 04:39:59,920
good people, but they're not usually confrontations.

4722
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:05,060
Like it takes people like that to stand up and say like hey actually I think this is wrong or I don't think this is okay

4723
04:40:05,060 --> 04:40:08,360
But generally these people are nice and good people, but they're too passive

4724
04:40:08,920 --> 04:40:11,440
to fight in the space and then the

4725
04:40:11,480 --> 04:40:16,360
The winners are just the people that are actually willing to come out and do the big fighting in the on the the tanky side

4726
04:40:16,360 --> 04:40:19,460
The left people and then on the MAGA side these guys have warriors

4727
04:40:20,000 --> 04:40:25,920
Everywhere these guys are ready to die on the hill of fucking Graham Plattner or die on the hill of

4728
04:40:26,220 --> 04:40:30,980
Hassan didn't shock his dog or die on the hill of Lav Leid when she said Paris Jackson was

4729
04:40:31,240 --> 04:40:36,160
17 when Hassan was boning her like these people are ready to die on all these hills for everything because they're warriors

4730
04:40:36,160 --> 04:40:39,640
They're cultivated in those spaces to be warriors and we don't really have that

4731
04:40:39,840 --> 04:40:44,800
Cultivation as much on the lib left because you're not supposed to be where usually supposed to be inclusive because they're not used to coming up against

4732
04:40:44,800 --> 04:40:49,360
People that like actually want to destroy your political ideology or social group or whatever the fuck else

4733
04:40:56,220 --> 04:41:03,980
It doesn't then get the fact that harms were committed and it also doesn't then guarantee that anything needs to result from that

4734
04:41:04,180 --> 04:41:06,180
like this is why

4735
04:41:06,560 --> 04:41:11,180
Time to have a 631 six hours and 31 minutes or six minutes and 31 seconds or

4736
04:41:19,000 --> 04:41:21,000
Generating

4737
04:41:26,220 --> 04:41:31,260
Today, do you think that your own circle not lives in general have a good amount of words?

4738
04:41:31,260 --> 04:41:36,800
No, it was like there's like a very very very small handful most people are non-confrontational by nature

4739
04:41:36,800 --> 04:41:40,480
Most people don't want to fight especially with people that are you're like supposedly your allies

4740
04:41:40,480 --> 04:41:43,620
And that's always the most difficult thing when it comes to like these where tanky leftist types

4741
04:41:43,620 --> 04:41:46,200
Is they always seem like they're your allies because we're on the same team, right?

4742
04:41:46,200 --> 04:41:48,280
We're all against MAGA, right? We're all against

4743
04:41:48,740 --> 04:41:52,040
Regressives and conservatives and reactionaries, right? And these are like the hardest people

4744
04:41:52,900 --> 04:41:57,300
They're like the hardest people to fight against cuz it's like no you you know, they're fighting on their side

4745
04:41:58,300 --> 04:42:02,080
Jungle mist sincerely there. They're there. I have no chat

4746
04:42:02,900 --> 04:42:06,020
Okay, so these days. Yeah, I mean I'm getting old chat

4747
04:42:06,260 --> 04:42:10,540
There's nothing I love more is that and seeing the elite people again. Just dance around

4748
04:42:11,420 --> 04:42:16,320
The fire, right and just fucking like do their charade and their bullshit

4749
04:42:16,660 --> 04:42:21,860
It's like it's like looking at a fucking at like a like a puppet show or something like that. It's just funny

4750
04:42:21,860 --> 04:42:27,200
I enjoy it and I may watch anything. It's all typically fake drama

4751
04:42:27,200 --> 04:42:29,180
Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna drum a bait

4752
04:42:29,180 --> 04:42:34,460
I'm gonna I'm gonna like and they have to act for the fucking for the for the audience and these ladies be able to check

4753
04:42:34,460 --> 04:42:37,740
I'm the audience all I can do is watch it. You know, I fucking love it

4754
04:42:37,740 --> 04:42:43,120
I won't do anything in the world. I love it framing the environment in the left-right binary will always shackle you to this cucked game

4755
04:42:43,120 --> 04:42:46,900
Liberal slash illiberal framing should be front of start. Nobody knows what those words mean. My dude. Okay, look

4756
04:42:48,500 --> 04:42:52,820
But I don't have a ton to say to be honest, so here's what I say and I don't think it's gonna surprise anybody

4757
04:42:52,820 --> 04:42:57,220
I saw the posts that were going viral today and again, it's something that should not be a surprise anyone

4758
04:42:57,220 --> 04:43:01,580
I agree with them. I I'm not fighting. I'm not pushing back on any of it

4759
04:43:02,180 --> 04:43:07,060
Those feelings are totally valid sincerely there there. I have no problem with someone saying that

4760
04:43:07,860 --> 04:43:14,300
Listen my position from the beginning is that I looked at a fucking deep fake website on January 26, 2023

4761
04:43:14,300 --> 04:43:17,420
It was a bad thing to do. I wish I didn't do it since then

4762
04:43:17,500 --> 04:43:22,140
That's not I'm trying to do that mad people and it's like and how much it would believe is that you didn't jork or chicken?

4763
04:43:22,500 --> 04:43:27,180
Okay, okay, let's say so many finds a page open on your browser, okay on your computer

4764
04:43:27,180 --> 04:43:33,620
And it's like some like whatever like like porn of somebody else because in this context, right?

4765
04:43:33,620 --> 04:43:36,380
Yes, this is all NPP people like they're like coworkers over it

4766
04:43:36,380 --> 04:43:41,900
But let's say it was it was you and your girl call you with like some of open of a bit of it and then you were like

4767
04:43:42,300 --> 04:43:47,140
Oh, yo, but like I was just curious about some shit. I didn't jork my chicken

4768
04:43:47,500 --> 04:43:51,740
Right, you think that they would dump you enough is is dependent on each person

4769
04:43:51,740 --> 04:43:53,420
Any everybody has their own definition of it?

4770
04:43:53,420 --> 04:43:56,140
And if you haven't if I haven't earned it with you that is 100% you're right

4771
04:43:56,140 --> 04:43:59,980
But there are some people for whom they see my action to see what I'm doing and feel

4772
04:44:00,260 --> 04:44:02,860
Open to the idea of trusting me again or giving me a shot

4773
04:44:02,860 --> 04:44:07,700
And I do think that those people should be allowed to like I don't know play a game with one of these people named names

4774
04:44:07,700 --> 04:44:10,300
Like why does a triax a poking made a statement?

4775
04:44:10,780 --> 04:44:16,180
Why does he I mean why doesn't he because no people like to be especially the lip side people want to be like as inoffensive as

4776
04:44:16,540 --> 04:44:19,980
Possible, I think they don't want to like call attention or harassment to any particular person

4777
04:44:20,620 --> 04:44:24,460
For me or invite me to something without it being a big deal as long as we stay in our own lane and do

4778
04:44:27,180 --> 04:44:30,540
Think I should be allowed because I I don't know how else to live

4779
04:44:31,180 --> 04:44:34,460
If I have that I just think that's a I should be allowed to exist in my own space

4780
04:44:35,500 --> 04:44:39,580
And so that's the only thing I want to say and trap. I'll reject

4781
04:44:42,380 --> 04:44:47,180
I'm not even a guy but I'm a citizen of you and somebody's in their own lane and they live in their own ecosystem

4782
04:44:47,260 --> 04:44:50,940
Right, they don't get mad about not being invited or whatever and they don't do their shit, right?

4783
04:44:51,340 --> 04:44:53,980
If you come after them you're always wrong. Hey, I don't give a fuck

4784
04:44:54,060 --> 04:44:57,260
There's not a really what they did that much if they're only in their own little corner, right?

4785
04:44:57,900 --> 04:44:59,980
And we're on their shit. They're not showing any hints or doing anything

4786
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:01,920
that goes outwards, that doesn't mean bad.

4787
04:45:01,920 --> 04:45:03,000
Like, if you go to them, you're just wrong.

4788
04:45:03,000 --> 04:45:05,480
I mean, it's just it's been a long time.

4789
04:45:05,480 --> 04:45:07,620
Maybe not, if it's like immediate, like immediate.

4790
04:45:07,620 --> 04:45:09,120
But if it's been a long time, right?

4791
04:45:09,120 --> 04:45:10,620
And then in the show, any signs of bad work,

4792
04:45:10,620 --> 04:45:11,980
I mean, you're just stupid.

4793
04:45:11,980 --> 04:45:13,360
I'm gonna be on your side, don't give fuck.

4794
04:45:13,360 --> 04:45:15,920
- I know, you know, I couldn't, I saw the post

4795
04:45:15,920 --> 04:45:16,760
and I'm trying to like understand

4796
04:45:16,760 --> 04:45:17,760
what an action I can take.

4797
04:45:17,760 --> 04:45:19,400
I wanna be action oriented, right?

4798
04:45:19,400 --> 04:45:21,840
So, I don't know if this is the case,

4799
04:45:21,840 --> 04:45:23,680
but I was planning to go to TwitchCon this year,

4800
04:45:23,680 --> 04:45:25,280
I was on a panel, I reached out this morning

4801
04:45:25,280 --> 04:45:26,280
and I dropped out, because I don't know

4802
04:45:26,280 --> 04:45:27,520
if that's gonna make someone comfortable.

4803
04:45:27,520 --> 04:45:29,200
That feels like the only area I would go where there would be

4804
04:45:29,200 --> 04:45:30,400
crossover and so on.

4805
04:45:30,400 --> 04:45:32,200
- Hey, Chuck, you know what, just let somebody

4806
04:45:32,200 --> 04:45:33,600
stop doing that.

4807
04:45:33,600 --> 04:45:36,280
Buddy, buddy, like, stop doing that.

4808
04:45:36,280 --> 04:45:39,720
Like, there's life left to be lived, okay?

4809
04:45:39,720 --> 04:45:42,120
Get make and define anything you're gonna do in the future.

4810
04:45:42,120 --> 04:45:43,760
Okay, based on one thing that you did,

4811
04:45:43,760 --> 04:45:45,840
because other people are hanging above your head.

4812
04:45:45,840 --> 04:45:46,920
I don't know what you need to think of your own life

4813
04:45:46,920 --> 04:45:48,920
and be like, okay, this is not about my head.

4814
04:45:48,920 --> 04:45:49,760
And I'm gonna act like it's not

4815
04:45:49,760 --> 04:45:50,600
and move forward in my fucking life

4816
04:45:50,600 --> 04:45:51,520
because this is fucking worthless.

4817
04:45:51,520 --> 04:45:53,360
Like, otherwise it shouldn't be a fucking miserable, buddy.

4818
04:45:53,360 --> 04:45:55,640
- I'm just not gonna go there and that's fine.

4819
04:45:55,640 --> 04:45:56,480
I think that's totally fine.

4820
04:45:56,480 --> 04:45:58,640
It's fine, I would prefer it.

4821
04:45:58,640 --> 04:46:01,120
I'm trying to not get in the way of anything, okay?

4822
04:46:01,120 --> 04:46:02,560
I'm trying to make the content that I make.

4823
04:46:02,560 --> 04:46:04,120
I have an audience that likes it.

4824
04:46:04,120 --> 04:46:06,520
I have a few close friends and I think that's fair.

4825
04:46:06,520 --> 04:46:07,880
Anyway, that's what I'm doing.

4826
04:46:07,880 --> 04:46:09,200
I disavow it.

4827
04:46:09,200 --> 04:46:10,240
- And you know, I believe that, Chuck,

4828
04:46:10,240 --> 04:46:13,480
because if you guys like to the wedding night,

4829
04:46:13,480 --> 04:46:14,520
it means that he doesn't have a close friend

4830
04:46:14,520 --> 04:46:16,680
because he can see past his mistake, right?

4831
04:46:16,680 --> 04:46:18,240
So that's good, right?

4832
04:46:18,240 --> 04:46:19,680
At least he has a friend, you know what I'm saying?

4833
04:46:19,680 --> 04:46:20,520
That'll be for him, yes.

4834
04:46:20,520 --> 04:46:23,200
- Anyone at all who is trying to use this stuff to, like,

4835
04:46:23,200 --> 04:46:26,020
attack people or be part of a larger fucking

4836
04:46:26,020 --> 04:46:28,000
streamer or culture war that is way above my head

4837
04:46:28,000 --> 04:46:28,840
and way outside of my zone.

4838
04:46:28,840 --> 04:46:30,400
That's not what I'm in, okay?

4839
04:46:30,400 --> 04:46:31,240
That's it, bro.

4840
04:46:31,240 --> 04:46:32,080
That's it.

4841
04:46:32,080 --> 04:46:34,800
I think Carolyn Kwan would have posted that it's great

4842
04:46:34,800 --> 04:46:35,640
that I agree with.

4843
04:46:35,640 --> 04:46:36,480
That isn't fully valid.

4844
04:46:36,480 --> 04:46:37,320
Okay?

4845
04:46:37,320 --> 04:46:38,920
- Oh God, what'd you say?

4846
04:46:38,920 --> 04:46:39,760
- Oh, Golly.

4847
04:46:39,760 --> 04:46:40,720
Oh, Golly, Golly.

4848
04:46:40,720 --> 04:46:41,560
What'd you say?

4849
04:46:42,560 --> 04:46:43,760
Is he getting shit on?

4850
04:46:43,760 --> 04:46:46,060
- If this brother had a few more inches,

4851
04:46:46,060 --> 04:46:50,460
oh, don't get me salivating and fantasizing about things.

4852
04:46:50,460 --> 04:46:51,560
Oh my God.

4853
04:46:51,560 --> 04:46:52,840
- I'm over there with Ron.

4854
04:46:53,880 --> 04:46:54,720
- Just stroking him.

4855
04:46:54,720 --> 04:46:57,640
- Why are you laying on the scores table?

4856
04:46:57,640 --> 04:46:58,840
- Damn it, stop me.

4857
04:46:58,840 --> 04:47:00,040
- Put some D on me.

4858
04:47:00,040 --> 04:47:01,360
- If you don't stop.

4859
04:47:01,360 --> 04:47:02,520
- Thankfully, we got...

4860
04:47:04,880 --> 04:47:07,720
Okay, is the big sweep coming now

4861
04:47:07,720 --> 04:47:09,720
from the Hassan moderation team on LSF.

4862
04:47:11,280 --> 04:47:13,400
Posted 18 hours ago, this just got removed.

4863
04:47:17,120 --> 04:47:18,400
Seven hours ago?

4864
04:47:18,400 --> 04:47:19,920
Is that when they removed it?

4865
04:47:19,920 --> 04:47:21,240
I see the comment here.

4866
04:47:25,560 --> 04:47:28,460
600 comments, 4,000 votes.

4867
04:47:29,520 --> 04:47:30,360
- Stop me.

4868
04:47:30,360 --> 04:47:31,200
Oh, I am good.

4869
04:47:31,200 --> 04:47:34,280
- Hopefully that's the last bionic piece that goes in me,

4870
04:47:34,280 --> 04:47:37,280
but I'm just, and there we are.

4871
04:47:39,960 --> 04:47:40,800
- Ah, okay.

4872
04:47:40,800 --> 04:47:45,480
Well, finished auto, we'll wait at 10, 210 GB.

4873
04:47:45,480 --> 04:47:46,560
That was just a random redemption.

4874
04:47:46,560 --> 04:47:47,400
Wow.

4875
04:47:49,040 --> 04:47:50,600
Now, how much it would be dedicated

4876
04:47:50,600 --> 04:47:52,480
to the customization of my strippers?

4877
04:47:52,480 --> 04:47:53,840
Because, well, I'm getting into the game.

4878
04:47:53,840 --> 04:47:54,680
I'm gonna have a game.

4879
04:47:54,680 --> 04:47:55,880
I'm gonna have a circle, I'm gonna have a circle.

4880
04:47:55,880 --> 04:47:58,040
If my stripper cannot be what I want him to be,

4881
04:47:58,040 --> 04:47:59,440
I'm turning into a console offer.

4882
04:47:59,440 --> 04:48:00,680
I'm walking out.

4883
04:48:00,680 --> 04:48:01,920
There's a life that would be out there

4884
04:48:01,920 --> 04:48:03,320
that I have to live that isn't this bullshit

4885
04:48:03,320 --> 04:48:05,600
if I can't customize my stripper.

4886
04:48:05,600 --> 04:48:07,000
Him, her, I don't give a shit.

4887
04:48:07,000 --> 04:48:09,840
Fuck, it's a stripper, oh, I don't give a shit.

4888
04:48:09,840 --> 04:48:11,040
- Same right now.

4889
04:48:11,040 --> 04:48:12,800
Let's go ahead and lift this off.

4890
04:48:13,800 --> 04:48:15,160
- Woo!

4891
04:48:15,160 --> 04:48:17,200
- Man, if you've got an iPhone Fold,

4892
04:48:17,200 --> 04:48:19,400
whoa, it's a rough world for you right now

4893
04:48:19,400 --> 04:48:21,680
because everybody's gone after your hinges, guys.

4894
04:48:24,680 --> 04:48:27,840
So we're gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4895
04:48:27,840 --> 04:48:30,440
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4896
04:48:30,440 --> 04:48:32,920
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4897
04:48:32,920 --> 04:48:35,040
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4898
04:48:35,040 --> 04:48:37,280
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4899
04:48:37,280 --> 04:48:39,280
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4900
04:48:39,280 --> 04:48:41,040
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4901
04:48:41,040 --> 04:48:43,280
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4902
04:48:43,280 --> 04:48:45,320
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4903
04:48:45,320 --> 04:48:47,480
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4904
04:48:47,480 --> 04:48:49,320
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4905
04:48:49,320 --> 04:48:50,920
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4906
04:48:50,920 --> 04:48:52,920
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4907
04:48:52,920 --> 04:48:54,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4908
04:48:54,160 --> 04:48:55,160
So we're done.

4909
04:48:55,160 --> 04:48:56,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4910
04:48:56,160 --> 04:48:57,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4911
04:48:57,160 --> 04:48:58,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4912
04:48:58,160 --> 04:48:59,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4913
04:48:59,160 --> 04:49:00,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4914
04:49:00,160 --> 04:49:01,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4915
04:49:01,160 --> 04:49:02,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4916
04:49:02,160 --> 04:49:03,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4917
04:49:03,160 --> 04:49:04,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4918
04:49:04,160 --> 04:49:05,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4919
04:49:05,160 --> 04:49:06,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4920
04:49:06,160 --> 04:49:07,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4921
04:49:07,160 --> 04:49:08,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4922
04:49:08,160 --> 04:49:09,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4923
04:49:09,160 --> 04:49:31,160
Anybody progress, they find every possible single argument on Earth to shit on them and make

4924
04:49:31,160 --> 04:49:42,160
sure that we're done and make sure that we're done.

4925
04:49:42,160 --> 04:49:45,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4926
04:49:45,160 --> 04:49:48,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4927
04:49:48,160 --> 04:49:52,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4928
04:49:52,160 --> 04:49:54,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4929
04:49:54,160 --> 04:49:55,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4930
04:49:55,160 --> 04:49:56,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4931
04:49:56,160 --> 04:49:57,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4932
04:49:57,160 --> 04:49:58,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4933
04:49:58,160 --> 04:49:59,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4934
04:49:59,160 --> 04:50:00,160
So I'm gonna have to make sure that we're done.

4935
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:06,320
four minutes and 20 seconds. Is there is a rough one. Hi just a reminder what happened in Serbia

4936
04:50:06,320 --> 04:50:10,240
and what happened in Brazil are not the same. And if you are a Serbian student and you were

4937
04:50:10,240 --> 04:50:13,680
really excited about your student movement, I am so sorry you of course can critique your

4938
04:50:13,680 --> 04:50:18,560
government. You can want to change your government. That's totally fine. But I'm here as an American

4939
04:50:18,560 --> 04:50:22,640
to talk to you about the main reason why these two things are not the same. And it actually does

4940
04:50:22,640 --> 04:50:28,320
yes has to do with my government in Brazil. The United States was aggressively backing Bolsonaro

4941
04:50:28,320 --> 04:50:34,320
winning. Bolsonaro lost. In Serbia, the United States, we don't know explicitly who they were

4942
04:50:34,320 --> 04:50:38,800
backing but we know that they spent 2.2 million dollars last year in election related and youth

4943
04:50:38,800 --> 04:50:43,920
activity. Which we know basically is gearing up like democratic movements or electoralism there.

4944
04:50:43,920 --> 04:50:48,080
And it is just because they wanted to get who reached out of power at the same time that this

4945
04:50:48,080 --> 04:50:51,680
was going on in Serbia. All these students were protesting collapsed infrastructure.

4946
04:50:51,680 --> 04:50:54,720
Originally they did not want to run political candidates. This was in 2024. And then after

4947
04:50:54,720 --> 04:50:58,640
you asked money started hitting Serbia for election kind of groups and things like this.

4948
04:50:58,640 --> 04:51:01,120
But you wouldn't even know by the way if you're in Serbia, you have no idea my government was

4949
04:51:01,120 --> 04:51:03,920
funding those things. Yeah, there's no way for you to ask enough activism. Like you're retarded

4950
04:51:03,920 --> 04:51:07,040
but we got a white woman here. Okay, I have to tell you what's going on. Don't worry. We'll be

4951
04:51:07,040 --> 04:51:10,560
volunteering in them and you would not know that they were US funded and that did not actual

4952
04:51:10,560 --> 04:51:13,360
real grassroots movement. This is what we do everywhere in the world. Like you will be US

4953
04:51:13,360 --> 04:51:17,120
code and you will not even know you have US code like your grand your grandchildren. Okay.

4954
04:51:17,120 --> 04:51:20,640
Yeah, that's how good we are at this. But yeah, so at the same time that that all started happening,

4955
04:51:20,640 --> 04:51:24,400
our state media like our US agency for global media started pumping out stories through radio

4956
04:51:24,400 --> 04:51:27,360
free urban radio Liberty that we teach was like an evil evil man because he was being too nice to

4957
04:51:27,360 --> 04:51:31,200
like Iran and China. And as you guys know, who teaches not like super left wing by any means,

4958
04:51:31,200 --> 04:51:34,480
but he was previously affiliated with me, Losevic who was the fall guy for Yugoslavia. So the United

4959
04:51:34,480 --> 04:51:37,680
States has already built a narrative about the Losevics, the most evil man that ever lived and

4960
04:51:37,680 --> 04:51:41,040
blamed all of Yugoslavia. The genocide that actually occurred in UN peacekeeping and NATO

4961
04:51:41,040 --> 04:51:44,000
controlled zones was blamed on the Losevics somehow. And that was shocking actually that

4962
04:51:44,000 --> 04:51:46,960
members of the US government will quit their jobs in protest because they're like, how are we doing

4963
04:51:46,960 --> 04:51:50,720
this to this man? He had nothing to do with this. But whatever. So which each in Serbia had previously

4964
04:51:50,720 --> 04:51:54,800
worked closely with me, Losevic. And the United States had kind of let him live because he really

4965
04:51:54,800 --> 04:51:58,240
took this like middle of the road approach, like he's not super left wing or anything. But

4966
04:51:58,240 --> 04:52:00,640
he was like fine with doing deals with the United States, fine with doing deals with Israel,

4967
04:52:00,640 --> 04:52:03,760
but wanted to maintain his ability to also deal deals with the United States and Israel's foreign

4968
04:52:03,760 --> 04:52:07,040
enemies like Iran and China. And that was too far for the United States, you know, like that he

4969
04:52:07,040 --> 04:52:09,440
was closing up with Iran and China. So radio free urban radio Liberty start coming out with all

4970
04:52:09,440 --> 04:52:12,800
these stories about how he was evil man of the world for doing business with Iran and with China

4971
04:52:12,800 --> 04:52:16,640
at the same time that over $2 million gets flooded into youth democratic movements. And so yeah,

4972
04:52:16,640 --> 04:52:19,280
so I'm really, really sorry. I know if you're in Serbia and you're young person, you're probably

4973
04:52:19,280 --> 04:52:21,840
really, really excited how we cheat out of there. Look, I'd probably be excited not to have him either

4974
04:52:21,840 --> 04:52:24,720
too. Like, I'm a freaking Marxist-Leninist. That guy is nowhere near Marxist-Leninist. I totally

4975
04:52:24,720 --> 04:52:27,120
get it. I would love for you guys to have a Marxist-Leninist revolution. But I think if you were in Serbia,

4976
04:52:27,120 --> 04:52:30,720
you know, you did not elect far left radical candidates, right? And the reality is there's a

4977
04:52:30,720 --> 04:52:34,480
specific reason the United States wanted you to do this. So Serbia, please, as a word of warning,

4978
04:52:34,480 --> 04:52:37,040
please just be very, very careful about who is coming to power next and what their foreign

4979
04:52:37,040 --> 04:52:41,040
allegiance is or if they try to make you turn to the West turn more towards Europe and the United

4980
04:52:41,040 --> 04:52:44,960
States for leadership positions in Serbia, then you previously have been, you can expect to potentially

4981
04:52:44,960 --> 04:52:47,920
end up like Ukraine. Like there's a reason there's that quote, like, it's dangerous to be an enemy

4982
04:52:47,920 --> 04:52:50,320
of the United States, but it's far more dangerous to be a friend of the United States. So you're in

4983
04:52:50,320 --> 04:52:54,400
Serbia right now. Please, it's not like the same as Brazil. In Brazil, the guy that the United States

4984
04:52:54,400 --> 04:52:59,120
wanted to win lost, okay? In Serbia, the guy- Shut the fuck up, an American woman is talking. Stop.

4985
04:52:59,120 --> 04:53:02,160
That the United States wanted to lose lost. Do you see the difference there? So just be vigilant,

4986
04:53:02,160 --> 04:53:04,800
be vigilant because my government does fucked up shit and you won't even know it hit you until

4987
04:53:04,800 --> 04:53:07,360
it's too late. All right. So if you don't want to end up in a war-torn nation like Ukraine,

4988
04:53:07,360 --> 04:53:10,960
just be very, very conscious about who you're putting in to replace these people that you're

4989
04:53:10,960 --> 04:53:14,560
getting rid of. Okay. As an American, who can track over my tax dollars? Okay. Love you. Bye.

4990
04:53:14,560 --> 04:53:18,160
Thank you. Thank you, queen.

4991
04:53:28,160 --> 04:53:30,640
Somehow they're stuck. Oh, when you're going on.

4992
04:53:36,160 --> 04:53:41,600
Man, Snico's- You're not- I don't know why, but we got big Snico secretly gay allegations coming

4993
04:53:41,600 --> 04:53:46,080
out again. This time from academics. I would fight this slave for free.

4994
04:53:47,920 --> 04:53:50,320
You're not real. Everyone watching is on your back.

4995
04:53:51,760 --> 04:53:56,480
academics will never speak about something important and then look what you flexors about.

4996
04:53:56,480 --> 04:54:02,400
Oh, no. Well, I got banned criticizing Israel. You chipped out about an assassination

4997
04:54:02,400 --> 04:54:06,800
livestream for a Palestinian, probably because you're mad because you were grooming a 15-year-old

4998
04:54:06,800 --> 04:54:11,520
Palestinian discord. You fucking pedophile weirdo. You can't fight a man because you can only beat

4999
04:54:11,520 --> 04:54:16,560
up women and jerk off on Instagram live and farm black on black crime. You're a good nigga for

5000
04:54:16,560 --> 04:54:23,280
Massa. Good nigga. Good nigga for Massa. Yeah, black on black crime. Warren Shiret, bitch ass nigga.

5001
04:54:23,280 --> 04:54:29,840
You a house slave. Okay.

5002
04:54:36,800 --> 04:54:59,840
Hmm. Oh, sounds lava.

5003
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:09,400
I accept that he mischaracterized this specific remark of Hassan Piker.

5004
04:55:09,400 --> 04:55:13,640
Hassan Piker has said plenty of contemptible and violent and disparaging things about all

5005
04:55:13,640 --> 04:55:18,080
sorts of gruesome when he said I can't even say it on TV what he said that dissidents

5006
04:55:18,080 --> 04:55:24,640
speaking out against communists should go do to him or to themselves or whatever.

5007
04:55:24,640 --> 04:55:30,920
He said these words in context that's not what he meant.

5008
04:55:30,920 --> 04:55:35,640
He was not calling for harms to black people.

5009
04:55:35,640 --> 04:55:43,520
I don't think this lawsuit is going to succeed because they're both public figures and so

5010
04:55:43,520 --> 04:55:50,760
the standards in defamation law are much harder to prove.

5011
04:55:50,760 --> 04:55:57,560
You'd have to show that Scott Jennings acted with actual malice that he knew in his heart

5012
04:55:57,560 --> 04:56:07,240
or really should have known that that's not what Hassan Piker had said and I think you're

5013
04:56:07,240 --> 04:56:09,360
just going to very much struggle to prove that.

5014
04:56:09,360 --> 04:56:15,280
I believe Scott Jennings probably saw this clip out of context and said that he'd said

5015
04:56:15,280 --> 04:56:20,920
that because Hassan Piker again has a history of disparaging like if black people I mean

5016
04:56:20,920 --> 04:56:24,400
in the context of the Michigan election right black people were more supportive of Haley

5017
04:56:24,400 --> 04:56:27,240
Stevens than of Abdul El-Sayed.

5018
04:56:27,240 --> 04:56:29,240
So him despair.

5019
04:56:29,240 --> 04:56:38,360
Oh my god dude hi yai yai like insufferable okay he knows this is a lie.

5020
04:56:38,360 --> 04:56:41,600
I've spent my entire life.

5021
04:56:41,600 --> 04:56:46,960
My entire professional right against racism and stuff fighting against white supremacy

5022
04:56:46,960 --> 04:56:57,080
yes okay it's just so nasty he knows this is nonsense but he has to behave in this part

5023
04:56:57,080 --> 04:57:04,800
is in manner this is the this is the additional problem with outlets nowadays is that there

5024
04:57:04,800 --> 04:57:10,320
is no we constantly talk about how there's no consensus reality anymore but this is how

5025
04:57:10,320 --> 04:57:17,800
we arrived that he uses a lack of consensus reality yeah when partisan hatchet men operate

5026
04:57:17,800 --> 04:57:24,080
with pure ideological investment when they have no investment in the truth at all when

5027
04:57:24,080 --> 04:57:27,680
they can't just like take a breath and be like yeah this is probably a bridge too far

5028
04:57:27,680 --> 04:57:37,680
maybe yeah I get it dog you're probably vying for a similar position as he defames Bobby

5029
04:57:37,680 --> 04:57:43,400
or whatever Robbie not really though but like you can always really safe to come out like

5030
04:57:43,400 --> 04:57:47,860
it's just ridiculous he doesn't bother engaging with a part of the civil complaint that says

5031
04:57:47,860 --> 04:57:51,360
that there was a sense of demand to retract in that letter pointed out what was exactly

5032
04:57:51,360 --> 04:57:55,320
deceptive about the video and he chose not to retract or correct or update yeah there's

5033
04:57:55,320 --> 04:58:00,400
also a snopes article that came out as well correcting the record but what's crazy about

5034
04:58:00,400 --> 04:58:06,480
this also is like people in the comments will be like oh out of context well you know everyone's

5035
04:58:06,480 --> 04:58:15,720
playing that game it's like yeah I know and everyone hates it okay you hate it you hate

5036
04:58:15,720 --> 04:58:20,240
it what do you mean you you are saying you hate it you think it's not as a case it seems

5037
04:58:20,240 --> 04:58:23,840
like I did a straight up lie about what he said um I don't rather complain yet I just

5038
04:58:23,840 --> 04:58:31,520
know that these cases are going to be very very very very very tricky

5039
04:58:31,520 --> 04:58:37,120
so shouldn't you be in support of this then we all hate it

5040
04:59:01,520 --> 04:59:31,400
just seven days oh shit wait oh why wait

5041
04:59:31,400 --> 04:59:59,960
just seven days until that final vote we're focusing in

5042
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:02,000
in on the Senate contest in Michigan

5043
05:00:02,000 --> 05:00:05,360
between Republican Mike Rogers and Democrat Abdul Al-Sayed.

5044
05:00:05,360 --> 05:00:07,760
Their positions on U.S. support for Israel

5045
05:00:07,760 --> 05:00:10,560
have become a key focal point of the race.

5046
05:00:10,560 --> 05:00:12,760
And it turns out poll numbers are starting

5047
05:00:12,760 --> 05:00:15,520
to pull strongly in favor of one side.

5048
05:00:15,520 --> 05:00:19,320
CNN chief data analyst Harry Enton is here.

5049
05:00:19,320 --> 05:00:22,360
So does this issue of Israel seem to be helping Rogers

5050
05:00:22,360 --> 05:00:24,440
or Al-Sayed in Michigan at this point?

5051
05:00:24,440 --> 05:00:26,280
- You know, I'm all about the numbers.

5052
05:00:26,280 --> 05:00:29,960
And the numbers here to me tell a pretty compelling

5053
05:00:29,960 --> 05:00:32,560
story, I think a lot of Republicans think they can use

5054
05:00:32,560 --> 05:00:36,120
the issue of Israel against Abdul Al-Sayed.

5055
05:00:36,120 --> 05:00:37,960
But the polling numbers don't suggest

5056
05:00:37,960 --> 05:00:40,680
that that is in fact necessarily a good idea or working.

5057
05:00:40,680 --> 05:00:41,880
What are we talking about?

5058
05:00:41,880 --> 05:00:43,040
Well, why don't we just take a look at this?

5059
05:00:43,040 --> 05:00:44,720
This is the Senate choice in Michigan.

5060
05:00:44,720 --> 05:00:46,000
Among all the likely voters, you know,

5061
05:00:46,000 --> 05:00:48,040
a Fox News poll the end of last month found

5062
05:00:48,040 --> 05:00:49,920
that Al-Sayed was up by just a single point.

5063
05:00:49,920 --> 05:00:52,080
That is well within the margin of error, right?

5064
05:00:52,080 --> 05:00:54,720
Well, look at those voters who were most focused on Israel

5065
05:00:54,720 --> 05:00:55,920
or say they were focused on Israel.

5066
05:00:55,920 --> 05:00:56,760
Look at this.

5067
05:00:56,760 --> 05:00:59,080
Al-Sayed was actually up eight amongst them.

5068
05:00:59,080 --> 05:01:01,840
Ergo, he was doing better among the voters

5069
05:01:01,840 --> 05:01:03,760
who said that Israel was extremely important

5070
05:01:03,760 --> 05:01:05,480
and the issue of Israel was extremely important

5071
05:01:05,480 --> 05:01:08,440
in their vote than he's doing among voters overall.

5072
05:01:08,440 --> 05:01:10,480
Therefore, to me, when you look at this data,

5073
05:01:10,480 --> 05:01:11,320
what this suggests is-

5074
05:01:11,320 --> 05:01:14,240
- Wait, hold on, any potential, hold on, hold on.

5075
05:01:22,800 --> 05:01:24,680
All right, all right.

5076
05:01:24,680 --> 05:01:27,280
Well, look at those voters who were most focused on Israel

5077
05:01:27,280 --> 05:01:28,520
or say they were focused on Israel.

5078
05:01:28,520 --> 05:01:29,360
Look at this.

5079
05:01:29,360 --> 05:01:31,680
Al-Sayed was actually up eight amongst them.

5080
05:01:31,680 --> 05:01:34,400
Ergo, he was doing better among the voters

5081
05:01:34,400 --> 05:01:36,400
who said that Israel was extremely important

5082
05:01:36,400 --> 05:01:38,080
and the issue of Israel was extremely important

5083
05:01:38,080 --> 05:01:41,040
in their vote than he's doing among voters overall.

5084
05:01:41,040 --> 05:01:43,080
Therefore, to me, when you look at this data,

5085
05:01:43,080 --> 05:01:45,200
what this suggests is the issue of Israel

5086
05:01:45,200 --> 05:01:47,320
is not to the detriment of Al-Sayed.

5087
05:01:47,320 --> 05:01:49,800
If anything, it may be helping him a little bit.

5088
05:01:49,800 --> 05:01:50,640
- Why is that?

5089
05:01:50,640 --> 05:01:52,280
What are voters saying about why that is?

5090
05:01:52,280 --> 05:01:53,440
- Yeah, why is that?

5091
05:01:53,440 --> 05:01:55,720
You know, I think one of the key questions here is,

5092
05:01:55,720 --> 05:01:58,520
you know, aid to Israel, military aid to Israel.

5093
05:01:58,520 --> 05:01:59,360
Should we end it?

5094
05:01:59,360 --> 05:02:00,200
Should we reduce it?

5095
05:02:00,200 --> 05:02:01,040
I mean, look at this.

5096
05:02:01,040 --> 05:02:04,600
Okay, overall, 54% of Michigan voters, in fact,

5097
05:02:04,600 --> 05:02:08,120
say that we should end or reduce aid to Israel.

5098
05:02:08,120 --> 05:02:09,320
What about independence?

5099
05:02:09,320 --> 05:02:10,680
Those in the center of the electorate?

5100
05:02:10,680 --> 05:02:11,680
Look at this.

5101
05:02:11,680 --> 05:02:12,520
- That's kind of dumb.

5102
05:02:12,520 --> 05:02:13,360
This is a rhetorical thing.

5103
05:02:13,360 --> 05:02:14,960
Well, it depends on-

5104
05:02:19,440 --> 05:02:21,000
I think you need one more number here to look at

5105
05:02:21,000 --> 05:02:22,960
that is missing that would change our feeling of this,

5106
05:02:22,960 --> 05:02:27,960
which is, so among all voters, he's at plus one, right?

5107
05:02:29,040 --> 05:02:30,920
And then for people who are focused on Israel,

5108
05:02:30,920 --> 05:02:32,400
he's at plus eight.

5109
05:02:32,400 --> 05:02:34,400
But then I guess the question would be,

5110
05:02:38,560 --> 05:02:39,560
I guess the assumption would be

5111
05:02:39,560 --> 05:02:41,040
that people that aren't focused on Israel,

5112
05:02:41,040 --> 05:02:42,840
that would be less than plus one.

5113
05:02:42,840 --> 05:02:45,160
I don't know how big this group of people is.

5114
05:02:46,680 --> 05:02:49,600
But then also, I think, well, it depends on how big a group

5115
05:02:49,600 --> 05:02:51,000
of that people is, 'cause then that would be like saying,

5116
05:02:51,000 --> 05:02:52,600
if you were plus 10 on an issue,

5117
05:02:52,600 --> 05:02:53,760
'cause I mean, you shouldn't talk about that issue

5118
05:02:53,760 --> 05:02:54,600
when you're plus 10 on it,

5119
05:02:54,600 --> 05:02:56,120
because everybody else doesn't feel the same.

5120
05:02:56,120 --> 05:02:57,920
I guess it would depend on how big this group of voters is.

5121
05:02:57,920 --> 05:02:58,840
That's what this probably turns on.

5122
05:02:58,840 --> 05:03:03,080
So like, if 5% of the electorate was focused on Israel,

5123
05:03:03,080 --> 05:03:05,120
this would probably be pretty bad, I think.

5124
05:03:05,120 --> 05:03:08,440
But if over 50%, or some huge percentage

5125
05:03:08,440 --> 05:03:10,760
were focused on Israel, then this would probably be pretty good.

5126
05:03:10,760 --> 05:03:11,680
I guess it just depends on what,

5127
05:03:11,680 --> 05:03:13,280
when they say focused on Israel,

5128
05:03:15,240 --> 05:03:16,880
I wonder what that means.

5129
05:03:16,880 --> 05:03:18,600
Do they rank it as like a top three issue,

5130
05:03:18,600 --> 05:03:20,760
or is it a top one issue, or I wonder what that means?

5131
05:03:20,760 --> 05:03:23,560
I guess the issue of Israel is not to the detriment

5132
05:03:23,560 --> 05:03:26,720
of El said, if anything, it may be helping him a little bit.

5133
05:03:26,720 --> 05:03:27,560
- Why is that?

5134
05:03:27,560 --> 05:03:28,680
What are voters saying about why that is?

5135
05:03:28,680 --> 05:03:29,760
- Yeah, why is that?

5136
05:03:29,760 --> 05:03:31,440
You know, I think one of the key questions here is,

5137
05:03:31,440 --> 05:03:33,720
you know, A to Israel, military A to Israel.

5138
05:03:33,720 --> 05:03:34,560
Should we end it?

5139
05:03:34,560 --> 05:03:35,400
Should we reduce it?

5140
05:03:35,400 --> 05:03:36,240
I mean, look at this.

5141
05:03:36,240 --> 05:03:38,560
Okay, overall, 54% of Michigan voters, in fact,

5142
05:03:38,560 --> 05:03:41,360
say that we should end or reduce A to Israel.

5143
05:03:41,360 --> 05:03:42,320
What about independence?

5144
05:03:42,320 --> 05:03:43,440
Those in the center of the electorate?

5145
05:03:43,440 --> 05:03:45,120
Look at this, it's 61%.

5146
05:03:45,120 --> 05:03:46,320
In fact, those in the center of the electorate

5147
05:03:46,320 --> 05:03:47,960
are actually slightly more likely to say

5148
05:03:47,960 --> 05:03:50,080
that we should end or reduce A to Israel.

5149
05:03:50,080 --> 05:03:52,560
So this was not just an issue that worked for El Say Ed

5150
05:03:52,560 --> 05:03:53,680
in the Democratic primary.

5151
05:03:53,680 --> 05:03:56,480
To me, it's an issue, at least when we look at overall,

5152
05:03:56,480 --> 05:03:58,840
Israel's an issue that actually is more likely to help El Say Ed

5153
05:03:58,840 --> 05:04:00,160
than it is to help Mike Rogers,

5154
05:04:00,160 --> 05:04:02,400
because simply put, voters in Michigan,

5155
05:04:02,400 --> 05:04:03,920
and we've seen this nationally as well,

5156
05:04:03,920 --> 05:04:06,120
think that we give too much money over to Israel,

5157
05:04:06,120 --> 05:04:08,760
especially when it comes to military aid.

5158
05:04:08,760 --> 05:04:11,360
- Speaking of aid or money, APAC has given money

5159
05:04:11,360 --> 05:04:14,000
to one candidate, not the other Mike Rogers,

5160
05:04:14,000 --> 05:04:15,720
and of course, El Say Ed has gone after APAC.

5161
05:04:15,720 --> 05:04:17,360
How do people feel about APAC in general?

5162
05:04:17,360 --> 05:04:18,480
- Yeah, okay, so this is, I think,

5163
05:04:18,480 --> 05:04:19,880
the other thing that's been going on, right?

5164
05:04:19,880 --> 05:04:21,520
We've seen in Democratic primaries,

5165
05:04:21,520 --> 05:04:23,160
we've seen those Democratic candidates,

5166
05:04:23,160 --> 05:04:24,280
especially those on the left,

5167
05:04:24,280 --> 05:04:25,760
go after APAC, but I think the question is,

5168
05:04:25,760 --> 05:04:27,240
how about those in the center of the electorate?

5169
05:04:27,240 --> 05:04:28,440
How about those in a general election?

5170
05:04:28,440 --> 05:04:29,960
Because what may work in a Democratic primary

5171
05:04:29,960 --> 05:04:31,520
may not work in a general electorate,

5172
05:04:31,520 --> 05:04:32,360
but take a look at this.

5173
05:04:32,360 --> 05:04:36,120
How about the net favorability rating of APAC in Michigan?

5174
05:04:36,120 --> 05:04:38,080
Among likely voters, look at this overall,

5175
05:04:38,080 --> 05:04:39,880
APAC is not well liked at all.

5176
05:04:39,880 --> 05:04:43,320
A negative 25 point net favorability rating.

5177
05:04:43,320 --> 05:04:44,480
And again, among independents,

5178
05:04:44,480 --> 05:04:45,640
we're not talking about Democrats here.

5179
05:04:45,640 --> 05:04:47,680
Again, 25 points underwater,

5180
05:04:47,680 --> 05:04:49,600
way underwater down there in Lake Michigan.

5181
05:04:49,600 --> 05:04:50,800
So you put it all together,

5182
05:04:50,800 --> 05:04:51,840
you'll look at the polling where you say,

5183
05:04:51,840 --> 05:04:54,320
"Hey, is Israel an important issue to you?"

5184
05:04:54,320 --> 05:04:55,320
You know, those who are focused on it,

5185
05:04:55,320 --> 05:04:56,640
you see Elseid actually doing slightly better

5186
05:04:56,640 --> 05:04:57,480
than he is overall.

5187
05:04:57,480 --> 05:04:58,640
You'll look at the polling here

5188
05:04:58,640 --> 05:05:00,080
on those who say we should--

5189
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:01,360
into reduced military aid to Israel,

5190
05:05:01,360 --> 05:05:02,800
you see the majority of Michigan voters there,

5191
05:05:02,800 --> 05:05:03,980
and you look at APAC's net favor,

5192
05:05:03,980 --> 05:05:05,440
a bill you're rating, awful in Michigan,

5193
05:05:05,440 --> 05:05:06,240
to me you put it all together,

5194
05:05:06,240 --> 05:05:07,600
I don't think the Israeli issue

5195
05:05:07,600 --> 05:05:08,840
is necessarily helping Mike Rogers

5196
05:05:08,840 --> 05:05:10,880
if anything it is helping Abdul Ahsaiyad.

5197
05:05:10,880 --> 05:05:11,700
- That's what it looks like in the public.

5198
05:05:11,700 --> 05:05:13,360
- A likely as if her pack's in general to be liked.

5199
05:05:13,360 --> 05:05:14,200
Good question.

5200
05:05:14,200 --> 05:05:15,020
- We will see what happens.

5201
05:05:15,020 --> 05:05:16,920
- We will see there's still a week to go.

5202
05:05:16,920 --> 05:05:18,480
- There is a week to go, and it may be a lot longer

5203
05:05:18,480 --> 05:05:19,640
than that, but maybe I'll close it.

5204
05:05:19,640 --> 05:05:21,720
- I'm just saying, depending how close it is,

5205
05:05:21,720 --> 05:05:23,120
no, no, don't say it, don't say it.

5206
05:05:23,120 --> 05:05:23,960
You don't hear that?

5207
05:05:23,960 --> 05:05:24,800
- No.

5208
05:05:24,800 --> 05:05:27,100
- It's so good to see you guys, you're really tired.

5209
05:05:27,100 --> 05:05:29,440
- President Trump, yet again, taking aim at Abdul Ahsaiyad,

5210
05:05:29,440 --> 05:05:31,320
leveling fresh attacks, saying that the election

5211
05:05:31,320 --> 05:05:33,200
of the Democratic Senate nominee,

5212
05:05:33,200 --> 05:05:35,720
with Bretton Christmas, what?

5213
05:05:35,720 --> 05:05:40,560
- I'm here to keep a jihadist Muslim brotherhood member

5214
05:05:40,560 --> 05:05:43,040
from becoming a United States senator,

5215
05:05:43,040 --> 05:05:44,440
and that's the fact.

5216
05:05:44,440 --> 05:05:45,920
I'm not gonna let that happen.

5217
05:05:45,920 --> 05:05:47,680
If Abdul and the Democrats win,

5218
05:05:47,680 --> 05:05:48,920
they will open the floodgates

5219
05:05:48,920 --> 05:05:51,320
and invite hordes of jihadists to our shores,

5220
05:05:51,320 --> 05:05:53,800
creating a nightmare of violence and terror,

5221
05:05:53,800 --> 05:05:56,200
until you can not even have a Christmas.

5222
05:05:57,400 --> 05:05:58,960
- Republicans have increasingly drawn attention

5223
05:05:58,960 --> 05:06:00,960
to Alsaiyad's Muslim faith during the closing weeks

5224
05:06:00,960 --> 05:06:02,880
of one of the most important races of the midterms,

5225
05:06:02,880 --> 05:06:04,680
but Alsaiyad is now firing back.

5226
05:06:06,240 --> 05:06:07,760
- I get that the President of the United States

5227
05:06:07,760 --> 05:06:10,360
takes personal offense to my first name.

5228
05:06:10,360 --> 05:06:12,200
He doesn't mind as much when it's a shared name

5229
05:06:12,200 --> 05:06:13,400
from the Saudis who are funding

5230
05:06:13,400 --> 05:06:15,240
his son-in-law's private equity.

5231
05:06:15,240 --> 05:06:16,080
- True.

5232
05:06:16,080 --> 05:06:17,120
(audience cheering)

5233
05:06:17,120 --> 05:06:19,960
Doesn't seem to mind as much when it's the Qataris

5234
05:06:19,960 --> 05:06:22,080
who are giving him a $400 million private jet.

5235
05:06:22,080 --> 05:06:22,920
- True.

5236
05:06:22,920 --> 05:06:25,000
- How he pronounces my name.

5237
05:06:25,000 --> 05:06:27,160
I don't even care that he remembers my whole name,

5238
05:06:27,160 --> 05:06:29,920
'cause he can just go on and call me Senator after November.

5239
05:06:29,920 --> 05:06:30,760
- Hopefully.

5240
05:06:30,760 --> 05:06:33,760
(audience cheering)

5241
05:06:39,560 --> 05:06:42,360
- That'll be Senator Muhammad to you, bro.

5242
05:06:42,360 --> 05:06:43,200
- David Wasserman,

5243
05:06:43,200 --> 05:06:45,000
I would have thought that it would be less risky

5244
05:06:45,000 --> 05:06:47,640
to play the socialist card against Abdul Alsaiyad

5245
05:06:47,640 --> 05:06:48,640
than the Muslim card.

5246
05:06:48,640 --> 05:06:49,520
I wanna show you some data.

5247
05:06:49,520 --> 05:06:51,500
First of all, the head-to-head in this race,

5248
05:06:51,500 --> 05:06:53,080
we've got it at 49.47.

5249
05:06:53,080 --> 05:06:55,040
That comports with Cook Political Report, right?

5250
05:06:55,040 --> 05:06:55,920
You see it that way?

5251
05:06:55,920 --> 05:06:56,760
- Yeah.

5252
05:06:56,760 --> 05:06:57,600
- Okay.

5253
05:06:57,600 --> 05:06:58,440
Second slide.

5254
05:06:58,440 --> 05:07:00,520
Look at how independence are now regarding socialism.

5255
05:07:00,520 --> 05:07:02,240
There's been an uptick in favorability.

5256
05:07:02,240 --> 05:07:03,400
They've moved in the last year

5257
05:07:03,400 --> 05:07:07,560
from 37% favorable to 45% favorable.

5258
05:07:07,560 --> 05:07:08,400
Third--

5259
05:07:08,400 --> 05:07:12,360
- I've seen enough based on this CNN five minute segment.

5260
05:07:15,000 --> 05:07:18,840
Let's go ahead and take a look at the polymarket.us/midterms

5261
05:07:18,840 --> 05:07:19,680
chart.

5262
05:07:19,680 --> 05:07:22,840
- We've got, but Michigan is one of these times.

5263
05:07:25,640 --> 05:07:27,800
I don't have anything on here, do I?

5264
05:07:27,800 --> 05:07:30,840
It's 70, well, 69, yeah, 32.

5265
05:07:30,840 --> 05:07:32,480
Alsaiyad, Mike Rogers.

5266
05:07:32,480 --> 05:07:33,840
Alsaiyad's coming through on this.

5267
05:07:33,840 --> 05:07:34,680
I'm sorry.

5268
05:07:44,080 --> 05:07:45,100
Oh, there we go.

5269
05:07:50,320 --> 05:07:52,040
We're buying 75 on Alsaiyad.

5270
05:07:52,040 --> 05:07:52,920
Let's fucking go.

5271
05:07:58,960 --> 05:07:59,800
He's coming through.

5272
05:07:59,800 --> 05:08:00,640
I can feel it.

5273
05:08:00,640 --> 05:08:01,480
- That's why.

5274
05:08:01,480 --> 05:08:03,840
Now let's talk about the way in which Americans perceive

5275
05:08:03,840 --> 05:08:04,680
Muslims.

5276
05:08:04,680 --> 05:08:08,240
43% perceive them as less patriotic than other Americans.

5277
05:08:08,240 --> 05:08:09,080
- That's okay.

5278
05:08:09,080 --> 05:08:10,480
Those are all Republicans.

5279
05:08:10,480 --> 05:08:11,440
We don't care about them.

5280
05:08:11,440 --> 05:08:12,880
- This is according to Pew Research.

5281
05:08:12,880 --> 05:08:15,480
42% have a negative impact on--

5282
05:08:15,480 --> 05:08:16,840
- That's all, that's mostly Republicans

5283
05:08:16,840 --> 05:08:18,040
than other Muslims, okay?

5284
05:08:18,040 --> 05:08:18,920
We don't care about them, okay?

5285
05:08:18,920 --> 05:08:20,920
That's the perception of Muslims.

5286
05:08:20,920 --> 05:08:23,360
I guess therein lies the answer as to why this is the way

5287
05:08:23,360 --> 05:08:24,720
the White House, the president is going

5288
05:08:24,720 --> 05:08:25,560
in the last eight days.

5289
05:08:25,560 --> 05:08:28,040
- Well, that's still a minority of the electorate.

5290
05:08:28,040 --> 05:08:29,200
It's pretty disheartening.

5291
05:08:29,200 --> 05:08:30,040
Is it not?

5292
05:08:30,040 --> 05:08:33,720
Well, look, if you're Republicans and you're a strategist

5293
05:08:33,720 --> 05:08:35,560
for Mike Rogers' campaign, I'm curious your take Scott,

5294
05:08:35,560 --> 05:08:38,440
but you'd rather be prosecuting the case on Alsaiyad's

5295
05:08:38,440 --> 05:08:40,480
positions on the issues than calling him a jihadist.

5296
05:08:40,480 --> 05:08:45,040
- Hey, we know this guy.

5297
05:08:45,040 --> 05:08:47,480
- Rather be talking about abolishing a federal law

5298
05:08:47,480 --> 05:08:49,240
enforcement agency and open borders.

5299
05:08:49,240 --> 05:08:51,440
You'd rather be talking about socialized medicine,

5300
05:08:51,440 --> 05:08:53,760
but most voters in Michigan personally know someone

5301
05:08:53,760 --> 05:08:54,600
who's Muslim.

5302
05:08:54,600 --> 05:08:56,760
And the Arab American vote in Michigan's twice as large

5303
05:08:56,760 --> 05:08:58,800
as the Jewish vote, but really the target here

5304
05:08:58,800 --> 05:09:01,040
is the voters who are doubly disenchanted with Trump

5305
05:09:01,040 --> 05:09:02,960
and not yet comfortable with the Democratic alternative.

5306
05:09:02,960 --> 05:09:04,640
That should be Rogers' audience.

5307
05:09:04,640 --> 05:09:07,240
Right now, they're very negative towards socialism,

5308
05:09:07,240 --> 05:09:09,240
but they're also very negative towards Republicans

5309
05:09:09,240 --> 05:09:10,400
on tariffs and energy costs.

5310
05:09:10,400 --> 05:09:12,160
I think the Canadian tariffs are what put Mike Rogers

5311
05:09:12,160 --> 05:09:13,880
in a bind and make it very difficult for him

5312
05:09:13,880 --> 05:09:15,440
to separate himself from the president

5313
05:09:15,440 --> 05:09:16,280
enough to win the race.

5314
05:09:16,280 --> 05:09:17,960
- Yeah, it's the size of that Muslim population

5315
05:09:17,960 --> 05:09:19,200
in Michigan that caused me to say,

5316
05:09:19,200 --> 05:09:20,800
this is the wrong, I hate to put it in these terms,

5317
05:09:20,800 --> 05:09:23,080
card to play in the final eight days of the election.

5318
05:09:23,080 --> 05:09:24,600
Why not go the socialist route?

5319
05:09:24,600 --> 05:09:25,440
You're thinking what?

5320
05:09:25,440 --> 05:09:26,880
- So I disagree with your characterization

5321
05:09:26,880 --> 05:09:28,960
that Republicans are being anti-Muslim.

5322
05:09:28,960 --> 05:09:31,960
They are being anti-Alsaiyad who has repeatedly refused

5323
05:09:31,960 --> 05:09:34,360
to deny or distance himself from Muslim Brotherhood ties.

5324
05:09:34,360 --> 05:09:36,440
I wanna highlight something that just came out in 2012.

5325
05:09:36,440 --> 05:09:37,560
He signed a letter in support.

5326
05:09:37,560 --> 05:09:39,520
- Oh my God, did you know this?

5327
05:09:39,520 --> 05:09:41,280
- Of then Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood leader Morsi

5328
05:09:41,280 --> 05:09:43,560
and urged him to purge the media and the police force

5329
05:09:43,560 --> 05:09:45,280
as quickly as possible of dissenters.

5330
05:09:45,280 --> 05:09:47,160
He told Kristin Walker, no familial ties

5331
05:09:47,160 --> 05:09:48,000
to the Muslim Brotherhood.

5332
05:09:48,000 --> 05:09:48,840
Well, we're learning back.

5333
05:09:48,840 --> 05:09:50,680
His mother was involved with an organization

5334
05:09:50,680 --> 05:09:52,400
that changed upon money, to Hamas,

5335
05:09:52,400 --> 05:09:54,400
and I'll say that I want to be super here.

5336
05:09:54,400 --> 05:09:55,560
Wait, I just want you to know,

5337
05:09:55,560 --> 05:09:56,840
I don't accept your assertion

5338
05:09:56,840 --> 05:09:59,040
that he's refused to cut all ties to my organization.

5339
05:09:59,040 --> 05:10:00,040
- No, no, no, he's just--

5340
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:01,500
- It's all a semantic game.

5341
05:10:01,500 --> 05:10:05,060
- Why is he willing to say, I disagree with my sister.

5342
05:10:05,060 --> 05:10:08,100
- I'm not here to carry this water far from it.

5343
05:10:08,100 --> 05:10:09,460
But on this issue, I just don't think

5344
05:10:09,460 --> 05:10:10,640
that's a fair counting.

5345
05:10:10,640 --> 05:10:12,660
- He's pressed, then he lashes out at Bret Baer

5346
05:10:12,660 --> 05:10:14,480
'cause Bret Baer wants a real clear answer on

5347
05:10:14,480 --> 05:10:15,940
how did you change your position

5348
05:10:15,940 --> 05:10:16,780
for the same question?

5349
05:10:16,780 --> 05:10:17,980
- But he's never fully answered it.

5350
05:10:17,980 --> 05:10:19,240
- Has he fully answered the question?

5351
05:10:19,240 --> 05:10:20,080
- Anybody answered the question.

5352
05:10:20,080 --> 05:10:22,180
- What do you think about his inability

5353
05:10:22,180 --> 05:10:24,140
to answer the question, what's a bigger threat?

5354
05:10:24,140 --> 05:10:25,220
- Why do they load these panels up

5355
05:10:25,220 --> 05:10:26,060
with two Republicans now?

5356
05:10:26,060 --> 05:10:27,140
- It's real or Iran.

5357
05:10:27,140 --> 05:10:28,940
What do you think about his answer to the question

5358
05:10:28,940 --> 05:10:31,340
when that radical ran their truck into the synagogue

5359
05:10:31,340 --> 05:10:32,540
or hurt people, hurt people?

5360
05:10:32,540 --> 05:10:34,820
The reason he's having to answer all of these questions

5361
05:10:34,820 --> 05:10:37,100
is because he has made so many mistakes

5362
05:10:37,100 --> 05:10:39,460
in his own positioning, in his own rhetoric in this campaign.

5363
05:10:39,460 --> 05:10:41,340
And then when journalists, as Lydia points out,

5364
05:10:41,340 --> 05:10:44,100
follow up with him, his sneering, condescending,

5365
05:10:44,100 --> 05:10:46,380
defensive attitude leads to more questions.

5366
05:10:46,380 --> 05:10:47,220
That is his problem.

5367
05:10:47,220 --> 05:10:49,180
- Is he sneering and condescending on this issue?

5368
05:10:49,180 --> 05:10:51,020
- Listen, the things that he said

5369
05:10:51,020 --> 05:10:53,020
that Scott pointed out were terrible things to say

5370
05:10:53,020 --> 05:10:54,060
and he shouldn't have said that.

5371
05:10:54,060 --> 05:10:55,940
But to say that he is not dissing himself

5372
05:10:55,940 --> 05:10:57,580
from the Muslim Brotherhood is just not accurate.

5373
05:10:57,580 --> 05:10:59,540
He said multiple times, I'm not a member,

5374
05:10:59,540 --> 05:11:01,860
even when he blew up at Brett Baer,

5375
05:11:01,860 --> 05:11:03,740
to your point probably annoyed, he said,

5376
05:11:03,740 --> 05:11:04,820
I'm not a member of that.

5377
05:11:04,820 --> 05:11:06,620
So I think that the problem is,

5378
05:11:06,620 --> 05:11:09,540
if it's Scott Jennings asking focus questions

5379
05:11:09,540 --> 05:11:11,060
about actual mistakes, that's one thing.

5380
05:11:11,060 --> 05:11:12,580
But when you have the President of the United States

5381
05:11:12,580 --> 05:11:15,420
saying he's gonna open up the borders and let in jihadists,

5382
05:11:15,420 --> 05:11:19,020
that is a lie and is a lie based on bigotry.

5383
05:11:19,020 --> 05:11:21,620
It's a lie based on scaring people about him being a Muslim.

5384
05:11:21,620 --> 05:11:23,260
He's never said anything about opening the borders

5385
05:11:23,260 --> 05:11:25,260
for jihadists, he said dumb things about foreign policy,

5386
05:11:25,260 --> 05:11:26,100
but not about that.

5387
05:11:26,100 --> 05:11:28,980
So, I just want to say this.

5388
05:11:28,980 --> 05:11:32,020
This is the worst mistake that the Republicans are making

5389
05:11:32,020 --> 05:11:34,620
because they're driving up Muslim turnout.

5390
05:11:34,620 --> 05:11:36,580
And to your point, the Muslim turnout is very big.

5391
05:11:36,580 --> 05:11:37,740
They're driving it through the roof

5392
05:11:37,740 --> 05:11:39,460
and they're also scaring people away from the borders

5393
05:11:39,460 --> 05:11:40,300
'cause people don't want to be appointed.

5394
05:11:40,300 --> 05:11:41,780
- He's very locked in.

5395
05:11:41,780 --> 05:11:42,620
- Or something that's right.

5396
05:11:42,620 --> 05:11:43,980
- He's an alarming that he won't condemn the Ayatollah

5397
05:11:43,980 --> 05:11:44,820
'cause he doesn't want to--

5398
05:11:44,820 --> 05:11:46,060
- I didn't like when he did that.

5399
05:11:46,060 --> 05:11:46,900
- Talk about that.

5400
05:11:46,900 --> 05:11:48,540
What does that have to do with Kamala Muhammad Muhammad

5401
05:11:48,540 --> 05:11:49,780
and called him the jihadist?

5402
05:11:49,780 --> 05:11:51,500
He has done and said things that--

5403
05:11:51,500 --> 05:11:53,140
- Right, so then when people ask him about it,

5404
05:11:53,140 --> 05:11:54,380
he gets defensive.

5405
05:11:54,380 --> 05:11:55,780
- I think all those things are correct,

5406
05:11:55,780 --> 05:11:57,900
but I think Republicans are making a horrific mistake.

5407
05:11:57,900 --> 05:11:59,420
If they want to stop a duel,

5408
05:11:59,420 --> 05:12:02,940
all of the jumping the shark and calling him a jihadist

5409
05:12:02,940 --> 05:12:03,780
when he is not--

5410
05:12:03,780 --> 05:12:04,940
- Can't really think of it the 20th of Egypt.

5411
05:12:04,940 --> 05:12:05,780
- Singing's going to open up the border

5412
05:12:05,780 --> 05:12:06,620
but he is not going--

5413
05:12:06,620 --> 05:12:07,460
- 20th of Egypt, I'm sorry.

5414
05:12:07,460 --> 05:12:10,860
- And calling him a jihadist when he is not.

5415
05:12:10,860 --> 05:12:11,700
Singing's going to open up the border

5416
05:12:11,700 --> 05:12:12,540
but he is not going to do this wrong.

5417
05:12:12,540 --> 05:12:13,820
- But let's say Mike Rogers is not saying--

5418
05:12:13,820 --> 05:12:14,660
- Trump.

5419
05:12:14,660 --> 05:12:15,500
- His opponent has not said any of those things.

5420
05:12:15,500 --> 05:12:16,340
- Well, your president.

5421
05:12:16,340 --> 05:12:17,180
- Joanna, you want to know this?

5422
05:12:17,180 --> 05:12:19,940
- No, but my point is that actually Abdul Al Sayed

5423
05:12:19,940 --> 05:12:20,780
has got under--

5424
05:12:24,260 --> 05:12:26,980
Donald Trump's skin and Donald Trump is the man who's flailing.

5425
05:12:26,980 --> 05:12:29,180
He says he's not on the ballot, but he is on the ballot.

5426
05:12:29,180 --> 05:12:30,420
And he's going after him

5427
05:12:30,420 --> 05:12:32,900
because he's trying to create a diversion

5428
05:12:32,900 --> 05:12:34,620
from his horrible policies,

5429
05:12:34,620 --> 05:12:36,980
which is why the Republicans are in the place

5430
05:12:36,980 --> 05:12:37,820
that they're in.

5431
05:12:37,820 --> 05:12:39,980
- The Al Sayed campaign distancing itself

5432
05:12:39,980 --> 05:12:41,940
from a commercial that was theoretically produced

5433
05:12:41,940 --> 05:12:43,980
in support of his candidacy, roll it.

5434
05:12:45,420 --> 05:12:47,020
- You're going to have to put those eggs back.

5435
05:12:47,020 --> 05:12:48,540
- They don't like eggs anymore?

5436
05:12:48,540 --> 05:12:52,020
- They like eggs, but we have to set that $7 aside

5437
05:12:52,020 --> 05:12:53,740
for killing Palestinians.

5438
05:12:53,740 --> 05:12:54,580
- What?

5439
05:12:54,580 --> 05:12:56,260
I mean, can we give Israel $4 billion a year anyways?

5440
05:12:56,260 --> 05:13:00,100
- Yeah, and now we're giving them another $26 billion.

5441
05:13:00,100 --> 05:13:02,780
Do you know how much that is per American taxpayer?

5442
05:13:02,780 --> 05:13:04,140
It's like $161.

5443
05:13:04,140 --> 05:13:04,980
- Good job, gang.

5444
05:13:04,980 --> 05:13:06,420
- Apparently it's costing us a lot of money

5445
05:13:06,420 --> 05:13:08,140
to drop bombs on Gaza.

5446
05:13:08,140 --> 05:13:10,140
- Okay, theoretically for Al Sayed.

5447
05:13:10,140 --> 05:13:11,380
When I saw it, I said to myself,

5448
05:13:11,380 --> 05:13:12,780
wait a minute, this must be a campaign trick.

5449
05:13:12,780 --> 05:13:13,820
There's going to be blowback.

5450
05:13:13,820 --> 05:13:15,700
This must be a Mike Rogers commercial.

5451
05:13:15,700 --> 05:13:17,260
Did anybody else have that reaction?

5452
05:13:17,260 --> 05:13:18,740
No, yes?

5453
05:13:18,740 --> 05:13:21,060
- Look, I'm trying, I'm going to be very consistent here.

5454
05:13:21,060 --> 05:13:21,900
I don't like hate.

5455
05:13:21,900 --> 05:13:24,260
I don't like hate for rhetoric.

5456
05:13:24,260 --> 05:13:26,060
I don't like it when it's against the Muslims.

5457
05:13:26,060 --> 05:13:27,700
I don't like it when it's against the Jewish people

5458
05:13:27,700 --> 05:13:30,220
or when it's against our ally in the Middle East.

5459
05:13:30,220 --> 05:13:32,540
This is a very dangerous ad

5460
05:13:32,540 --> 05:13:33,780
because what it does is it suggests

5461
05:13:33,780 --> 05:13:34,860
that the reason that people can't pay

5462
05:13:34,860 --> 05:13:35,860
for things in the grocery store.

5463
05:13:35,860 --> 05:13:36,700
- Bananas.

5464
05:13:36,700 --> 05:13:39,620
- Bananas is because of the United States

5465
05:13:39,620 --> 05:13:41,100
is giving all this money to Israel.

5466
05:13:41,100 --> 05:13:42,780
We have a very small amount of money to Israel

5467
05:13:42,780 --> 05:13:44,620
compared to all the other foreign citizens that we do,

5468
05:13:44,620 --> 05:13:46,220
but you're picking out the Jewish state

5469
05:13:46,220 --> 05:13:47,740
and you're pointing to the Jewish state.

5470
05:13:47,740 --> 05:13:49,900
And of all the, we spend money in Qatar,

5471
05:13:49,900 --> 05:13:51,100
we spend money all around the world,

5472
05:13:51,100 --> 05:13:53,100
but you're going to say because of the Jewish state,

5473
05:13:53,100 --> 05:13:54,100
that's why you're suffering.

5474
05:13:54,100 --> 05:13:55,460
Listen, when that happens,

5475
05:13:55,460 --> 05:13:56,980
when you start getting people riled up

5476
05:13:56,980 --> 05:13:58,500
and you've seen this all through the last century

5477
05:13:58,500 --> 05:14:00,900
against Jews and blaming Jews for all your problems,

5478
05:14:00,900 --> 05:14:02,300
you're headed down a dark pathway.

5479
05:14:02,300 --> 05:14:04,300
I have spoken aggressively against the anti-Muslim hate

5480
05:14:04,300 --> 05:14:05,260
in this campaign.

5481
05:14:05,260 --> 05:14:06,500
This is an example of anti-Jewish hate

5482
05:14:06,500 --> 05:14:07,500
and it should be taken down immediately.

5483
05:14:07,500 --> 05:14:10,740
And by the way, Abdul should announce this ad immediately.

5484
05:14:10,740 --> 05:14:12,380
- His campaign has distance itself from this.

5485
05:14:12,380 --> 05:14:13,380
- How did that happen?

5486
05:14:13,380 --> 05:14:14,740
- Wait, I just want to make this point.

5487
05:14:14,740 --> 05:14:17,180
You've said it more clearly than I intended at the outset.

5488
05:14:17,180 --> 05:14:19,740
When I saw it, I thought it can't possibly

5489
05:14:19,740 --> 05:14:21,620
be what it represents on the surface.

5490
05:14:21,620 --> 05:14:23,420
Surely, it's intended to help Mike Rogers

5491
05:14:23,420 --> 05:14:25,620
because others will also be repulsed by it.

5492
05:14:25,620 --> 05:14:26,460
Go ahead, but quickly.

5493
05:14:26,460 --> 05:14:27,300
- Yeah, of course.

5494
05:14:27,300 --> 05:14:30,700
Well, it's economic incoherence wrapped up in antisemitism.

5495
05:14:30,700 --> 05:14:31,620
So it's sort of par for the course.

5496
05:14:31,620 --> 05:14:33,700
I mean, else I had himself in this campaign has argued

5497
05:14:33,700 --> 05:14:35,580
we can't have good education in this country

5498
05:14:35,580 --> 05:14:36,980
because we fund the Iron Dome,

5499
05:14:36,980 --> 05:14:39,220
which is completely wrong nuts.

5500
05:14:39,220 --> 05:14:40,860
Economic incoherence, by the way, eggs?

5501
05:14:40,860 --> 05:14:42,460
- Same guy over here probably says,

5502
05:14:42,460 --> 05:14:43,820
we can't be setting money to Ukraine.

5503
05:14:43,820 --> 05:14:45,260
We got to take care of our own over here.

5504
05:14:45,260 --> 05:14:46,100
Same guy over here probably says,

5505
05:14:46,100 --> 05:14:48,540
why are we setting money with USAID for trans operas?

5506
05:14:48,540 --> 05:14:49,820
When we take care of our people here,

5507
05:14:49,820 --> 05:14:50,980
guarantee we set it before.

5508
05:14:50,980 --> 05:14:52,820
Find it, guarantee we set it before.

5509
05:14:52,820 --> 05:14:55,500
- 70 a carton, banana's 40 or 50 cents a pound.

5510
05:14:55,500 --> 05:14:57,340
It's economic incoherence, it's alive,

5511
05:14:57,340 --> 05:15:00,020
but it's all done in service to antisemitism.

5512
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:03,720
And at the same time, Al-Sayed campaign running ads featuring comments from Tupper Carlson.

5513
05:15:03,720 --> 05:15:06,440
What is a Jewish Democrat in Michigan supposed to think right now?

5514
05:15:06,440 --> 05:15:08,080
Why what else I had to answer these questions?

5515
05:15:08,080 --> 05:15:09,080
It's a mystery.

5516
05:15:09,080 --> 05:15:10,080
I find myself in a...

5517
05:15:10,080 --> 05:15:13,680
And it's funny too, these guys do this thing where it's like, we're sending money overseas.

5518
05:15:13,680 --> 05:15:16,120
And now we can't even provide healthcare to American citizens.

5519
05:15:16,120 --> 05:15:17,640
And then they stop sending money overseas, right?

5520
05:15:17,640 --> 05:15:21,480
We stop supporting Ukraine.

5521
05:15:21,480 --> 05:15:23,520
Where is the push for healthcare for Americans?

5522
05:15:23,520 --> 05:15:24,520
Hello?

5523
05:15:24,520 --> 05:15:25,520
Dumb.

5524
05:15:25,520 --> 05:15:27,720
Agreement with Scott Jennings.

5525
05:15:27,720 --> 05:15:33,720
It's not a great ad, and it's almost as bad as Vivek Ramaswami's ad, using Amy Acton's

5526
05:15:33,720 --> 05:15:38,160
estranged mother, which I think we're coming on to talk about, but those two ads stick

5527
05:15:38,160 --> 05:15:39,560
out in the campaign so far.

5528
05:15:39,560 --> 05:15:43,160
The Cleveland Plain Dealer deciding today they would get involved in that race.

5529
05:15:43,160 --> 05:15:46,360
They weren't going to make an endorsement, but they endorsed Amy Acton as a result of

5530
05:15:46,360 --> 05:15:50,760
that ad President headed to Ohio on Wednesday.

5531
05:15:50,760 --> 05:15:57,760
Unbelievable.

5532
05:15:57,760 --> 05:16:25,880
I think I fly out on the 30th to go to San Antonio, okay?

5533
05:16:25,880 --> 05:16:32,720
Sign up.

5534
05:16:32,720 --> 05:16:33,720
Zipsip 45.

5535
05:16:33,720 --> 05:16:34,720
Destiny.

5536
05:16:34,720 --> 05:16:37,360
Did you already vote?

5537
05:16:37,360 --> 05:16:41,120
Oh, Dan might be there too.

5538
05:16:41,120 --> 05:16:43,020
We'll see.

5539
05:16:43,020 --> 05:16:44,020
You know what?

5540
05:16:44,020 --> 05:16:46,000
I'm going to be honest.

5541
05:16:46,000 --> 05:16:48,280
What a great question, Zipsip.

5542
05:16:48,280 --> 05:16:53,560
I maybe have or maybe I have not voted yet.

5543
05:16:53,560 --> 05:16:57,960
So what if, okay, I don't know where to go.

5544
05:16:57,960 --> 05:16:59,400
I don't know where the times are.

5545
05:16:59,400 --> 05:17:00,760
I don't know how to do it.

5546
05:17:00,760 --> 05:17:21,040
What if there was a way to go online and make a plan to vote called vote-e.vote.

5547
05:17:21,040 --> 05:17:24,220
This is a wonderful website that will help you make a plan to vote, but not just make

5548
05:17:24,220 --> 05:17:25,220
a plan to vote.

5549
05:17:25,220 --> 05:17:29,920
It will continually help you follow through on that plan.

5550
05:17:29,920 --> 05:17:36,080
Nothing that you say or do online matters unless you actually go to the polling box or voting

5551
05:17:36,080 --> 05:17:41,720
booth or election site to go and vote.

5552
05:17:41,720 --> 05:17:44,320
Nothing matters unless you vote.

5553
05:17:44,320 --> 05:17:45,560
Go.

5554
05:17:45,560 --> 05:17:46,560
You can sign up here.

5555
05:17:46,560 --> 05:17:50,660
You can go to your local offices, whatever local offices, whatever, but this is a very

5556
05:17:50,660 --> 05:17:55,240
nice, easy website that will walk you through no matter where you live, no matter what you

5557
05:17:55,240 --> 05:17:58,920
do on how to make a plan to vote.

5558
05:17:58,920 --> 05:18:10,000
What if I am, um, hmm, let's say that I'm in, uh, Michigan, who, what if I'm like super,

5559
05:18:10,000 --> 05:18:17,320
I don't know anything, who is on the, who is on the ballot in Michigan for the upcoming

5560
05:18:17,320 --> 05:18:26,320
primary, uh, sorry, I'm sorry, midterm.

5561
05:18:26,320 --> 05:18:28,480
The form to enter your address is open below this message.

5562
05:18:28,480 --> 05:18:30,360
Once you send it, I will answer your question.

5563
05:18:30,360 --> 05:18:34,560
Oh, so we would have to put in our address to, because then they'll find your polling,

5564
05:18:34,560 --> 05:18:39,040
uh, place, and then the district that you can vote in and everything, um, or in the ballot

5565
05:18:39,040 --> 05:18:43,080
probably changes depending on your zip code, um, should I put in a fake address here?

5566
05:18:43,080 --> 05:18:48,340
Is that unethical?

5567
05:18:48,340 --> 05:18:53,000
Why do they need to know where I live?

5568
05:18:53,000 --> 05:18:54,000
True.

5569
05:18:54,000 --> 05:18:55,000
Sure.

5570
05:18:55,000 --> 05:18:56,000
We'll do.

5571
05:18:56,000 --> 05:19:08,120
It won't be John Smith, John Smith, um, address in Michigan.

5572
05:19:08,120 --> 05:19:12,660
A sample address, a sample, real address in Michigan, is this, am I adopting somebody

5573
05:19:12,660 --> 05:19:13,660
if I do this?

5574
05:19:13,660 --> 05:19:14,660
No.

5575
05:19:14,660 --> 05:19:15,660
These are just random places.

5576
05:19:15,660 --> 05:19:16,660
Wait.

5577
05:19:16,660 --> 05:19:17,660
Now I feel like I don't want to show somebody's address on stream.

5578
05:19:17,660 --> 05:19:18,660
Hold on.

5579
05:19:18,660 --> 05:19:24,040
Let me get you to scroll up and do this address off stream, just in case.

5580
05:19:24,040 --> 05:19:31,620
Boom, boom, boom, continue.

5581
05:19:31,620 --> 05:19:35,680
Put in an email address so they have a way to follow up with you.

5582
05:19:35,680 --> 05:19:38,600
Hold on.

5583
05:19:38,600 --> 05:19:42,800
Well, when you Google sample address, it literally pops up on Google.

5584
05:19:42,800 --> 05:19:47,600
So it should be fine.

5585
05:19:47,600 --> 05:19:52,920
Now he's looking up where I can go to vote, where my closest polling place is.

5586
05:19:52,920 --> 05:19:56,280
He's going to give me information about what's on my ballot because this is what vote he

5587
05:19:56,280 --> 05:19:57,280
does.

5588
05:19:57,280 --> 05:19:58,280
Okay.

5589
05:19:58,280 --> 05:19:59,280
Well, he didn't.

5590
05:19:59,280 --> 05:20:00,280
Okay.

5591
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:06,000
We get a breakdown of all the federal races, we get a breakdown of our statewide races.

5592
05:20:06,000 --> 05:20:11,620
We can see our state and local races, they will help you figure out where to go to register

5593
05:20:11,620 --> 05:20:15,240
to vote if you haven't already or if you haven't passed the deadline.

5594
05:20:15,240 --> 05:20:18,600
For some states you can register to vote all the way up through election day, other states

5595
05:20:18,600 --> 05:20:20,560
that will close it off a little bit early.

5596
05:20:20,560 --> 05:20:23,360
If you haven't registered to vote and you're in certain states, it seems like in Michigan,

5597
05:20:23,360 --> 05:20:29,720
we are able to vote, but the only way to do it is in person by November 3, 2026, because

5598
05:20:29,720 --> 05:20:35,840
online and mail registration close on October 19th, it will give you way too early voting.

5599
05:20:35,840 --> 05:20:39,160
Whatever voting is available, it will help you walk through it, and not only that, if

5600
05:20:39,160 --> 05:20:44,320
you sign up to do a particular vote, it will email you or text you and remind you in order

5601
05:20:44,320 --> 05:20:47,880
to make sure that you not only make a plan to vote, but you follow through on voting.

5602
05:20:47,880 --> 05:20:53,440
Because remember, if you don't actually vote, nothing that you say or do online matters.

5603
05:20:53,440 --> 05:21:01,160
Don't be defeated at the ballot box, okay?

5604
05:21:01,160 --> 05:21:06,880
Wait, boom, boom, this is good.

5605
05:21:06,880 --> 05:21:12,040
That's enough, you got this, I believe in you.

5606
05:21:12,040 --> 05:21:17,000
Oh, also I'm posting a link in chat, use my link for it, there you go.

5607
05:21:17,000 --> 05:21:20,800
The more people we registered to vote, the more something, something, something.

5608
05:21:20,800 --> 05:21:25,140
Put the link below, it will say, r-sush us at the end, or vr-sush us at the end.

5609
05:21:25,140 --> 05:21:28,240
Sign up to vote, make a plan to vote, follow through on it, and this guy will make sure

5610
05:21:28,240 --> 05:21:33,240
that you do it.

5611
05:21:33,240 --> 05:21:40,040
Good job.

5612
05:21:40,040 --> 05:21:59,000
Top slot that Mr. Moon was watching this morning.

5613
05:21:59,000 --> 05:22:00,360
Present collection.

5614
05:22:00,360 --> 05:22:05,600
Okay, another Minecraft world, I don't know.

5615
05:22:05,600 --> 05:22:08,000
But the problems I'm going out of town in like two days, I'm going to be out of town

5616
05:22:08,000 --> 05:22:14,880
for like a week, so.

5617
05:22:14,880 --> 05:22:44,720
Really 60 FPS commercial, oh my god.

5618
05:22:44,720 --> 05:22:57,200
Oh yeah, I don't actually care about this.

5619
05:22:57,200 --> 05:23:23,280
Now if you watched Hokem, 10 out of 10 horror film, no.

5620
05:23:23,280 --> 05:23:33,720
Oh my god, the framing.

5621
05:23:33,720 --> 05:23:37,120
Tucker confronts Britain's most pro war advocate.

5622
05:23:37,120 --> 05:23:41,200
Mr. Respawn, thank you very much for having us in your home.

5623
05:23:41,200 --> 05:23:42,200
It's really pretty.

5624
05:23:42,200 --> 05:23:43,200
Fuck, where's my one guy at?

5625
05:23:43,200 --> 05:23:45,840
I don't know, I feel like, wait, I've already talked about this on stream, I don't think

5626
05:23:45,840 --> 05:23:50,640
I like sets where it's just like open chairs like this, I feel like it always looks awkward

5627
05:23:50,640 --> 05:23:52,800
as fuck, especially when the chairs are super small.

5628
05:23:52,800 --> 05:23:56,440
I just don't like the, I don't, I think it looks bad.

5629
05:23:56,440 --> 05:23:59,720
Also wait, is the camera not level, hold on.

5630
05:23:59,720 --> 05:24:03,760
Also you can get away with things not being perfectly level most of the time, but when

5631
05:24:03,760 --> 05:24:07,160
there's like a straight thing in the background, I don't think anybody cares, let me check

5632
05:24:07,160 --> 05:24:08,160
hold on.

5633
05:24:08,160 --> 05:24:09,160
Maybe not though.

5634
05:24:09,160 --> 05:24:14,360
Maybe it is level and I'm just blind.

5635
05:24:14,360 --> 05:24:32,000
Hmm, every camera has a leveler, every tripod with a panning thing has a leveler.

5636
05:24:32,000 --> 05:24:34,280
There's no excuse for that.

5637
05:24:34,280 --> 05:24:39,680
What is happening?

5638
05:24:39,680 --> 05:24:45,620
What is happening with this, not acceptable?

5639
05:24:45,620 --> 05:24:50,080
I'm sad to think of it being destroyed in the war you described.

5640
05:24:50,080 --> 05:24:52,080
What is this war and why do you have to fight it?

5641
05:24:52,080 --> 05:24:53,080
Okay.

5642
05:24:53,080 --> 05:24:57,080
What I've said is that the 19th needs to be prepared for war, that we are coming under

5643
05:24:57,080 --> 05:24:58,440
attack in various ways from Russia.

5644
05:24:58,440 --> 05:25:00,000
We've had murders and attempted murders taken.

5645
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:03,200
place. There's a term to murder in Salisbury, and there was a murder place in London by

5646
05:25:03,200 --> 05:25:08,640
agents of Putin, that Putin has invaded Ukraine, and he is making threatening noises that some

5647
05:25:08,640 --> 05:25:09,640
Russian people could.

5648
05:25:09,640 --> 05:25:12,680
Jacob Mogg was a bit disappointing in this, to be honest. His last name is Mogg. How can

5649
05:25:12,680 --> 05:25:13,680
he be disappointing?

5650
05:25:13,680 --> 05:25:16,040
To the state, not formally of the state, who have talked about the potential for nuclear

5651
05:25:16,040 --> 05:25:20,120
war. And the way to avoid war is to prepare for it. And if you're prepared for war, it

5652
05:25:20,120 --> 05:25:23,680
doesn't happen. So that's what I'm talking about. It's the preparedness, which I'm worried

5653
05:25:23,680 --> 05:25:24,680
that we don't have.

5654
05:25:24,680 --> 05:25:26,880
Why would Putin want to threaten Britain?

5655
05:25:26,880 --> 05:25:27,880
Well, he is threatening Britain.

5656
05:25:27,880 --> 05:25:28,880
Right. I wonder why.

5657
05:25:28,880 --> 05:25:33,080
Why has he tried to poison people in Salisbury? Why have his submarines been poking around

5658
05:25:33,080 --> 05:25:34,080
near our undersea cables?

5659
05:25:34,080 --> 05:25:36,080
Do you have any sense of why? Why would he want to do that?

5660
05:25:36,080 --> 05:25:40,760
Well, I think he wishes to reassert the power of Russia, which in many ways is now a failing

5661
05:25:40,760 --> 05:25:44,040
state that its economy has been indulgence for years, since the decline of the Soviet

5662
05:25:44,040 --> 05:25:48,920
Union, it's lost a good deal of territory, which is a very un-Russian thing, that if

5663
05:25:48,920 --> 05:25:52,320
you go really from the Romanovs, taking charge in Russia, through to the collapse of the

5664
05:25:52,320 --> 05:25:57,120
Soviet Union, in most years, Russia expands, and then you get the collapse of the Soviet

5665
05:25:57,120 --> 05:26:00,200
Union, and Russia suddenly shrinks. And it seems to me that that is looked upon by some

5666
05:26:00,200 --> 05:26:04,080
Russians as a matter of shame and against the historic destiny of Russia. Hence, of course,

5667
05:26:04,080 --> 05:26:07,840
the reason for activity in Georgia and more recently in Ukraine.

5668
05:26:07,840 --> 05:26:08,840
Right.

5669
05:26:08,840 --> 05:26:11,680
Clearly, Russia wants some control over its neighbors, it wants a sphere of influence,

5670
05:26:11,680 --> 05:26:14,920
has a nuclear power. But I wonder, and assuming that everything you're saying is true and

5671
05:26:14,920 --> 05:26:18,480
we could debate it, it still doesn't explain why Russia would want to pick a fight with

5672
05:26:18,480 --> 05:26:22,320
Britain. It's got a much larger economy than Britain's, but I think it may be...

5673
05:26:22,320 --> 05:26:24,520
No, no, no, no, it hasn't got larger economy than Britain's, it's more economy than Britain's.

5674
05:26:24,520 --> 05:26:27,960
It's a much larger military. There's a much larger economy, it has much more wealth and

5675
05:26:27,960 --> 05:26:31,600
resources. It has a much larger manufacturing sector. GDP is smaller than the UK is...

5676
05:26:31,600 --> 05:26:34,600
Yeah, but GDP is not, I mean, the only measure of an economy. It's a Russian...

5677
05:26:34,600 --> 05:26:37,280
Important measure of an economy.

5678
05:26:37,280 --> 05:26:41,880
This is the BMI argument, but for countries, bro. Like, I need to know at a glance, how

5679
05:26:41,880 --> 05:26:48,800
fast somebody is BMI? Actually, so I'm actually a competing power lifter, and my body fat

5680
05:26:48,800 --> 05:26:54,120
is actually 8%. So BMI does not accurately count. Like, if you really want to know, like,

5681
05:26:54,120 --> 05:26:57,920
a country at a snapshot, GDP or GDP, okay, but I was gonna, at a decent, that's gonna

5682
05:26:57,920 --> 05:27:00,880
be a decent snapshot. That's probably gonna be your most important, like, fucking overall

5683
05:27:00,880 --> 05:27:04,680
figure. Now, there's a lot of, in the weeds and nuanced and granular takes, we can have

5684
05:27:04,680 --> 05:27:09,240
one economy's and domestic policy, everything else, but to be like, well, it's just a GDP,

5685
05:27:09,240 --> 05:27:11,120
who cares? That's wild.

5686
05:27:11,120 --> 05:27:12,520
He is smaller than the UK is...

5687
05:27:12,520 --> 05:27:15,080
Yeah, especially, he is not, I mean, the only measure of an economy.

5688
05:27:15,080 --> 05:27:16,080
It's a Russian...

5689
05:27:16,080 --> 05:27:17,080
Important measure of an economy.

5690
05:27:17,080 --> 05:27:18,080
It's one measure of the economy.

5691
05:27:18,080 --> 05:27:19,080
Russia is... Russia is...

5692
05:27:19,080 --> 05:27:23,360
Oh, he should have said, oh, what measure would you like to use, Tucker? What measure, I'm

5693
05:27:23,360 --> 05:27:26,800
sorry, GDP, GDP per capita, not good enough for you? What would you like to use? Tucker

5694
05:27:26,800 --> 05:27:30,320
Carlson, please enlighten us.

5695
05:27:30,320 --> 05:27:34,480
Economic failure, but it could have a huge economy, but it's got a small economy because

5696
05:27:34,480 --> 05:27:39,400
it's deeply corrupt and it hasn't managed to use its resources effectively. And so,

5697
05:27:39,400 --> 05:27:42,160
although the population of Russia is bigger than that of the United Kingdom very significantly,

5698
05:27:42,160 --> 05:27:46,120
it's GDP per capita is so much lower that the total GDP of Russia is smaller than that

5699
05:27:46,120 --> 05:27:47,120
of the United Kingdom, right?

5700
05:27:47,120 --> 05:27:51,960
Oh, okay, listen, GDP, GDP per capita, who cares? Tucker's about to destroy this guy,

5701
05:27:51,960 --> 05:27:58,120
the way, way, way better way to measure the success of each country. Let's fucking go!

5702
05:27:58,120 --> 05:28:04,440
It's inherent wealth towards that of the UK.

5703
05:28:04,440 --> 05:28:12,940
And the idiots in chat didn't even think about the inherent wealth argument. The inherent

5704
05:28:12,940 --> 05:28:16,480
wealth argument...

5705
05:28:16,480 --> 05:28:19,320
It's the largest country in the world. But leaving aside that, I'm not in charge of...

5706
05:28:19,320 --> 05:28:21,800
And inherent wealth isn't very useful, is it? There are lots of different countries that

5707
05:28:21,800 --> 05:28:23,800
have huge sources that have never been that beautiful.

5708
05:28:23,800 --> 05:28:27,600
Oh, and he brings up the paradox of resources, that there are countries that appear to be

5709
05:28:27,600 --> 05:28:32,360
resource-rich that sometimes have some of the worst economic outcomes, crazy. And also,

5710
05:28:32,360 --> 05:28:37,680
what a sad thing.

5711
05:28:37,680 --> 05:28:41,280
What a sad thing. There's this meme that people say in... I remember hearing this in high

5712
05:28:41,280 --> 05:28:44,480
school from coaches, that the worst thing you can ever tell a student is that they have

5713
05:28:44,480 --> 05:28:48,400
so much amazing potential because potential is just something that's been unrealized and

5714
05:28:48,400 --> 05:28:50,840
we're not realizing it, then potential is like the worst thing in the universe because

5715
05:28:50,840 --> 05:28:57,520
it just means you're not doing it. Imagine talking about like Russia, like a spoiled

5716
05:28:57,520 --> 05:29:01,280
child or whatever, like imagine all the inherent wealth. Well, why hasn't this expressed itself

5717
05:29:01,280 --> 05:29:04,360
in actual wealth, maybe? I don't know.

5718
05:29:04,360 --> 05:29:05,920
I'm not in charge of sense.

5719
05:29:05,920 --> 05:29:07,800
But inherent wealth isn't very useful, is it? There are lots of different countries that

5720
05:29:07,800 --> 05:29:09,280
have huge resources that have never been that beautiful.

5721
05:29:09,280 --> 05:29:10,760
It depends on what your timeline is.

5722
05:29:10,760 --> 05:29:14,920
Well, how much longer does Russia need? A very new country.

5723
05:29:14,920 --> 05:29:18,680
If hundreds of years they haven't used them. Russia has consistently been a poor country

5724
05:29:18,680 --> 05:29:19,840
in spite of its resources.

5725
05:29:19,840 --> 05:29:29,200
I don't agree with that, but I'll grant it to you. Zero metrics can't push back on anything

5726
05:29:29,200 --> 05:29:32,440
this guy just said. GDP, GDP or capital, these are going to add a snapshot. These are going

5727
05:29:32,440 --> 05:29:38,280
to be your big economic measurements. Like, hello, come on. Like, hello? Actually, hold

5728
05:29:38,280 --> 05:29:43,560
on. GDP per capita ranking worldwide. Maybe I'm going to see a whole bunch of crazy weird

5729
05:29:43,560 --> 05:29:49,000
countries that's going to be at the top here that don't seem like they'd be wealthy country.

5730
05:29:49,000 --> 05:29:52,160
Oh, fuck these stupid. Okay. The city states don't count.

5731
05:29:52,160 --> 05:29:57,400
Liechtenstein, is that a poor place? Luxembourg, is that a poor place? Ireland, Switzerland,

5732
05:29:57,400 --> 05:30:00,000
Norway, Singapore, Iceland, the United States.

5733
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:03,000
States, Denmark, Netherlands, Australia,

5734
05:30:04,000 --> 05:30:07,000
Israel, Sweden, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Qatar,

5735
05:30:08,000 --> 05:30:11,000
the UK, Hong Kong, Finland, or something,

5736
05:30:12,000 --> 05:30:15,000
that's kind of crazy, maybe something's going on there, maybe, maybe.

5737
05:30:20,000 --> 05:30:23,000
But it's still this explain why Russia would benefit from fighting with the UK.

5738
05:30:24,000 --> 05:30:25,000
Do you imagine that they want to take your territory?

5739
05:30:26,000 --> 05:30:29,000
Russia has already shown itself to be aggressive as we saw with the invasion of Ukraine,

5740
05:30:30,000 --> 05:30:33,000
which is not only illegal in international law,

5741
05:30:34,000 --> 05:30:38,000
but also against a specific agreement between Russia, the United States, the UK and Ukraine,

5742
05:30:39,000 --> 05:30:41,000
that in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons,

5743
05:30:42,000 --> 05:30:46,000
Russia and the other signatories would allow its territorial integrity to be maintained.

5744
05:30:47,000 --> 05:30:49,000
We can debate why that war started.

5745
05:30:50,000 --> 05:30:55,000
This is why it's so dumb to have arguments with laymen outside of any kind of factual foundation.

5746
05:30:56,000 --> 05:30:58,000
This is why I think it's important to ground things and examples.

5747
05:30:59,000 --> 05:31:01,000
We are now to try to start this conversation.

5748
05:31:01,000 --> 05:31:03,000
How do you get this conversation off the ground?

5749
05:31:03,000 --> 05:31:06,000
This is like me going to some physics department,

5750
05:31:06,000 --> 05:31:12,000
and I want to argue over the correct interpretation of the dual split experiment.

5751
05:31:13,000 --> 05:31:16,000
And somebody's like, "Okay, well, can you give me your general understanding of quantum mechanics?"

5752
05:31:16,000 --> 05:31:20,000
I don't know. I guess everything is a fucking vibrating string theory thing.

5753
05:31:21,000 --> 05:31:23,000
Isn't that what QFT is? Is it string theory or whatever?

5754
05:31:24,000 --> 05:31:26,000
But I don't want to deal with that shit.

5755
05:31:26,000 --> 05:31:30,000
I think that when people interact with things, they make more realities.

5756
05:31:30,000 --> 05:31:31,000
You just kill yourself.

5757
05:31:31,000 --> 05:31:32,000
You don't know anything about this.

5758
05:31:32,000 --> 05:31:34,000
Why the fuck would you even begin to talk about this?

5759
05:31:34,000 --> 05:31:35,000
You don't know anything about this.

5760
05:31:35,000 --> 05:31:37,000
So we're trying to figure out which country is better off,

5761
05:31:37,000 --> 05:31:40,000
and we have no economic metrics for that, and we abandoned that completely.

5762
05:31:41,000 --> 05:31:43,000
And then now we have disagreements over who should have won what war,

5763
05:31:43,000 --> 05:31:45,000
or what are the motivations of anything.

5764
05:31:45,000 --> 05:31:48,000
How do you have a conversation like this that's not grounded in some kind of factual shared reality?

5765
05:31:48,000 --> 05:31:50,000
So we're kind of understanding the world.

5766
05:31:50,000 --> 05:31:52,000
We're just going to be talking about the most abstract bullshit topics

5767
05:31:52,000 --> 05:31:54,000
where we're not grounded in any reality whatsoever.

5768
05:31:54,000 --> 05:31:56,000
Like, what's the point?

5769
05:31:56,000 --> 05:31:58,000
In view from yours, but I think these are subjective questions.

5770
05:31:58,000 --> 05:32:01,000
But I feel like we're avoiding the question that you have asked you now three times,

5771
05:32:01,000 --> 05:32:05,000
which is why does any of that add up to Russia threatening the UK?

5772
05:32:05,000 --> 05:32:06,000
Do you believe in cause and effect?

5773
05:32:06,000 --> 05:32:07,000
Do you think there's some reason that Russia?

5774
05:32:07,000 --> 05:32:10,000
Why did dictators attack? They do because they cannot.

5775
05:32:10,000 --> 05:32:11,000
But you're nowhere near Russia.

5776
05:32:11,000 --> 05:32:12,000
And because they see Belarus.

5777
05:32:12,000 --> 05:32:14,000
But we have the NATO agreement with Poland, which must feel under attack.

5778
05:32:14,000 --> 05:32:16,000
We know that the Baltic states feel threatened.

5779
05:32:16,000 --> 05:32:18,000
We know there have been cyber attacks on the Baltic states.

5780
05:32:18,000 --> 05:32:19,000
Right.

5781
05:32:19,000 --> 05:32:21,000
So of course, we should be concerned about our fellow NATO members

5782
05:32:21,000 --> 05:32:22,000
and they have us to fight with NATO.

5783
05:32:22,000 --> 05:32:25,000
We should go to people in the U.S. and we've got Russia saying

5784
05:32:25,000 --> 05:32:27,000
that locates things about the United Kingdom.

5785
05:32:27,000 --> 05:32:28,000
So of course we should be...

5786
05:32:28,000 --> 05:32:29,000
Do you have any sense of why?

5787
05:32:29,000 --> 05:32:30,000
Here's the point.

5788
05:32:30,000 --> 05:32:31,000
Why?

5789
05:32:31,000 --> 05:32:32,000
Why?

5790
05:32:32,000 --> 05:32:42,000
Remember, when you do things, they're inevitable.

5791
05:32:42,000 --> 05:32:47,000
What he said earlier, do you not believe in cause and effect?

5792
05:32:47,000 --> 05:32:51,000
Implies an unbreakable causal chain where Russia could have never acted in any other way.

5793
05:32:51,000 --> 05:32:52,000
They have to act the way again.

5794
05:32:52,000 --> 05:32:54,000
They have no choice but to do so.

5795
05:32:54,000 --> 05:32:59,000
But when we act, we can choose to surrender and give up everything and do nothing.

5796
05:32:59,000 --> 05:33:00,000
Okay.

5797
05:33:00,000 --> 05:33:01,000
Every time.

5798
05:33:01,000 --> 05:33:02,000
The point that I'm attempting to make, and I just think it's important to understand it,

5799
05:33:02,000 --> 05:33:04,000
whether or not you approve of it, which is that from the Russian perspective,

5800
05:33:04,000 --> 05:33:06,000
you are helping to fund a war against Russia.

5801
05:33:06,000 --> 05:33:07,000
And so therefore you're combatant in that war.

5802
05:33:07,000 --> 05:33:09,000
They feel this way about the United States as well.

5803
05:33:09,000 --> 05:33:11,000
And Germany and NATO.

5804
05:33:11,000 --> 05:33:12,000
But that is a...

5805
05:33:12,000 --> 05:33:13,000
What general perspective?

5806
05:33:13,000 --> 05:33:14,000
Can you not see that?

5807
05:33:14,000 --> 05:33:15,000
That there's a reason that they're mad at the UK?

5808
05:33:15,000 --> 05:33:16,000
Well, Russia invaded Ukraine.

5809
05:33:16,000 --> 05:33:17,000
Right.

5810
05:33:17,000 --> 05:33:18,000
But this is not Ukraine.

5811
05:33:18,000 --> 05:33:19,000
This is the UK.

5812
05:33:19,000 --> 05:33:22,000
And what the UK is doing is supporting Ukraine and defending its terror.

5813
05:33:22,000 --> 05:33:27,000
But this is exactly the same.

5814
05:33:27,000 --> 05:33:30,000
Maybe they shouldn't have invaded Ukraine?

5815
05:33:30,000 --> 05:33:33,000
It was America helping Kuwait rescue itself from Iraq.

5816
05:33:33,000 --> 05:33:37,000
Do you believe in territorial integrity of nation states?

5817
05:33:37,000 --> 05:33:38,000
In my own, for sure.

5818
05:33:38,000 --> 05:33:39,000
I'm not sure that...

5819
05:33:39,000 --> 05:33:40,000
What?

5820
05:33:40,000 --> 05:33:42,000
What does that even mean?

5821
05:33:42,000 --> 05:33:44,000
Do you believe in territorial integrity?

5822
05:33:44,000 --> 05:33:50,000
Um, I mean, I do about my territory.

5823
05:33:50,000 --> 05:33:52,000
Territorial integrity of someone else's state is...

5824
05:33:52,000 --> 05:33:54,000
Even when America is guaranteed to my...

5825
05:33:54,000 --> 05:33:57,000
Like, that's an all or nothing, buddy.

5826
05:33:57,000 --> 05:33:58,000
That's an all or nothing.

5827
05:33:58,000 --> 05:34:01,000
Like, do you believe it should be illegal to murder?

5828
05:34:01,000 --> 05:34:04,000
Well, I think it should be illegal to murder me.

5829
05:34:04,000 --> 05:34:05,000
What?

5830
05:34:05,000 --> 05:34:06,000
Life form?

5831
05:34:06,000 --> 05:34:07,000
The question is, should...

5832
05:34:07,000 --> 05:34:08,000
First of all, can you guarantee it?

5833
05:34:08,000 --> 05:34:09,000
America did.

5834
05:34:09,000 --> 05:34:10,000
So do you think that was wrong?

5835
05:34:10,000 --> 05:34:11,000
Probably.

5836
05:34:11,000 --> 05:34:13,000
Because the quid pro quo was that Ukraine would have kept its nuclear weapons.

5837
05:34:13,000 --> 05:34:15,000
So you're saying Ukraine should have kept its nuclear weapons?

5838
05:34:15,000 --> 05:34:18,000
Well, there were many subsequent arrangements that were violent on all sides.

5839
05:34:18,000 --> 05:34:19,000
No, this is the...

5840
05:34:19,000 --> 05:34:20,000
No, stop!

5841
05:34:20,000 --> 05:34:21,000
Ooh.

5842
05:34:21,000 --> 05:34:24,000
I wonder how DP is in the Russia in propaganda.

5843
05:34:24,000 --> 05:34:28,000
Um, this is not strictly true.

5844
05:34:28,000 --> 05:34:30,000
Actually, this is bullshit, but...

5845
05:34:30,000 --> 05:34:32,000
I don't know if I'll bring it up.

5846
05:34:32,000 --> 05:34:33,000
Well, we'll see if he brings it up.

5847
05:34:33,000 --> 05:34:35,000
On the battle point, which we're trying to get away from.

5848
05:34:35,000 --> 05:34:37,000
It'll have to do with Belarusian private citizens if he does.

5849
05:34:37,000 --> 05:34:38,000
Let me put this back to you.

5850
05:34:38,000 --> 05:34:39,000
Please do.

5851
05:34:39,000 --> 05:34:41,000
United States made an agreement with Ukraine, Russia, and the United Kingdom

5852
05:34:41,000 --> 05:34:43,000
that the territorial integrity of Ukraine would be invaluable.

5853
05:34:43,000 --> 05:34:45,000
On condition that Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons.

5854
05:34:45,000 --> 05:34:49,000
Oh no, if you are mistaken, United States has never pledged to go to war with Russia.

5855
05:34:49,000 --> 05:34:50,000
He didn't say that.

5856
05:34:50,000 --> 05:34:52,000
He was very careful with his words.

5857
05:34:52,000 --> 05:34:55,000
Tucker is right, which is what I push back on sometimes, you know, not to be mean.

5858
05:34:55,000 --> 05:34:57,000
But like, there is no actual security guarantee.

5859
05:34:57,000 --> 05:35:00,000
But they did say that they wouldn't fuck with their nuclear weapons.

5860
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:03,200
the country or the citizens of

5861
05:35:03,200 --> 05:35:05,800
um... for it was u_k_a_n_ it was uh...

5862
05:35:05,800 --> 05:35:08,200
belarus and it was uh... kazak san right

5863
05:35:08,200 --> 05:35:10,280
edition the u_k_a_n_ gave up the united kingdom

5864
05:35:10,280 --> 05:35:12,840
that the territory integrity of u_k_a_n_ would be invaluable

5865
05:35:12,840 --> 05:35:13,880
on condition

5866
05:35:13,880 --> 05:35:17,600
the u_k_a_n_ gave up its nuclear weapon no you are a state is never pledged to go

5867
05:35:17,600 --> 05:35:20,560
to work with russian's he didn't say that they did okay then i think it's a

5868
05:35:20,560 --> 05:35:25,680
material i said no i'm saying it made this agreement with the other parties

5869
05:35:25,680 --> 05:35:28,320
there's a treaty that i think it's a fight a word that you never said that you

5870
05:35:28,320 --> 05:35:30,240
fucking morn why bring

5871
05:35:30,240 --> 05:35:34,080
uh... relevant i'm saying that if you don't think america has an interest in

5872
05:35:34,080 --> 05:35:36,400
this which on the side of the treaty and then you create a character nuclear

5873
05:35:36,400 --> 05:35:39,040
weapon there is no treaty that obligates the united states i've said that all my

5874
05:35:39,040 --> 05:35:41,120
god he's he's trapped in the dialogue tree

5875
05:35:41,120 --> 05:35:43,480
he's literally trapped he's trapped

5876
05:35:43,480 --> 05:35:46,080
he can't get out

5877
05:35:46,080 --> 05:35:48,360
there's a third-time or fourth time he's brought this up the other i never said

5878
05:35:48,360 --> 05:35:51,760
that you have to be that the trees that you had to go to war that was never he

5879
05:35:51,760 --> 05:35:52,680
never said that

5880
05:35:52,680 --> 05:35:54,360
the story on this is a lot of russia

5881
05:35:54,360 --> 05:35:56,560
on the basis of a russia did in february twenty i'm well aware of that i'm well

5882
05:35:56,560 --> 05:35:57,760
aware of what was said

5883
05:35:57,760 --> 05:36:00,080
in relation to the nuclear weapons it is not an agreement to go to war nor

5884
05:36:00,080 --> 05:36:01,040
strictly speaking

5885
05:36:01,040 --> 05:36:03,440
is article five of nato's not a requirement to get a word request to

5886
05:36:03,440 --> 05:36:04,400
be ignored

5887
05:36:04,400 --> 05:36:05,720
and it's not an automatic

5888
05:36:05,720 --> 05:36:06,840
act of war that

5889
05:36:06,840 --> 05:36:09,520
the members affected can call upon article five or where does require

5890
05:36:09,520 --> 05:36:12,440
automatic response where the oil saying is that this treaty that was signed

5891
05:36:12,440 --> 05:36:15,000
where you can go up into weapons was entirely pointless but i'm saying at all

5892
05:36:15,000 --> 05:36:17,200
what i'm saying is what i'm saying is that there have been many subsequent

5893
05:36:17,200 --> 05:36:19,800
agreement since including a verbal agreement which has been testified to

5894
05:36:19,800 --> 05:36:22,160
by people were present that the united states would not expand

5895
05:36:22,160 --> 05:36:24,880
nato to russia's borders which is an that's

5896
05:36:24,880 --> 05:36:27,680
verbal agreement which is been testified at all what i'm saying is what i'm saying

5897
05:36:27,680 --> 05:36:30,240
is that there have been many subsequent agreement since including a verbal

5898
05:36:30,240 --> 05:36:31,400
agreement which is been testified

5899
05:36:31,400 --> 05:36:33,840
to be more present that the united states would not expand

5900
05:36:33,840 --> 05:36:36,000
nato to russia's borders which is an understandable concern of russia you don't

5901
05:36:36,000 --> 05:36:38,680
want nuclear weapons control in the country on your borders why would you

5902
05:36:38,680 --> 05:36:41,680
and so look at a lot has happened there was the overthrow of the Ukrainian

5903
05:36:41,680 --> 05:36:48,680
government by nato in two thousand

5904
05:36:54,680 --> 05:36:57,120
people keep saying that there was agreement that they wouldn't go east

5905
05:36:57,120 --> 05:37:02,640
towards russia's borders or the so you know borders okay

5906
05:37:02,640 --> 05:37:06,560
this had to do with potential conversations of east germany relating to

5907
05:37:06,560 --> 05:37:09,840
if like reunification happened there would be no armament in east germany

5908
05:37:09,840 --> 05:37:13,600
to say that it's nato agreed not to expand east doesn't make sense

5909
05:37:13,600 --> 05:37:17,840
there's no where east to go it was already at the borders of the soviet

5910
05:37:17,840 --> 05:37:19,920
union of the of where the war saw packed

5911
05:37:19,920 --> 05:37:21,600
countries were

5912
05:37:21,600 --> 05:37:24,760
this this reframing of this quote

5913
05:37:24,760 --> 05:37:27,240
they they constantly bring this up and nobody will ever call them out on i

5914
05:37:27,240 --> 05:37:29,680
guess and the papers and all the league stuff for there you can read about it

5915
05:37:29,680 --> 05:37:31,840
there was no agreement

5916
05:37:31,840 --> 05:37:33,120
nato

5917
05:37:33,120 --> 05:37:37,040
will never expand a place is like poland or the baltics it doesn't make

5918
05:37:37,040 --> 05:37:40,800
sense because nobody knew that the soviet union was going to collapse in one

5919
05:37:40,800 --> 05:37:42,440
year nobody knew that

5920
05:37:42,440 --> 05:37:45,560
that statement this is people read this into the past so we said nato

5921
05:37:45,560 --> 05:37:47,200
wouldn't expand one inch eastward

5922
05:37:47,200 --> 05:37:50,600
the conversation had to do potentially with the reunification of germany

5923
05:37:50,600 --> 05:37:53,320
it's my understanding it definitely didn't have to do with rolling in countries

5924
05:37:53,320 --> 05:37:55,160
like poland or the baltics because

5925
05:37:55,160 --> 05:37:58,680
that they were that this is the war saw packed how would nato even expand here

5926
05:37:58,680 --> 05:38:02,400
doesn't make any sense that that there was no place east to go

5927
05:38:02,400 --> 05:38:03,280
also

5928
05:38:03,280 --> 05:38:05,080
most importantly

5929
05:38:05,080 --> 05:38:08,400
this these were conversations being had about hyper that all agreements none of

5930
05:38:08,400 --> 05:38:09,440
this was on paper

5931
05:38:09,440 --> 05:38:12,960
how the fuck are you going to quote this one line of not one inch eastward this

5932
05:38:12,960 --> 05:38:16,640
one line to say that they should hold nato forever in the future with a country

5933
05:38:16,640 --> 05:38:19,680
that doesn't exist anymore

5934
05:38:19,680 --> 05:38:23,480
but all of the uh... the ninety four but it has memorandums that's just bullshit

5935
05:38:23,480 --> 05:38:27,240
we don't agree with any of that how can you have both of these positions

5936
05:38:27,240 --> 05:38:30,480
yes Gorbachev is himself has come outside that this is bullshit to of course

5937
05:38:30,480 --> 05:38:33,360
but it doesn't make any sense to say not one inch eastward that doesn't mean it

5938
05:38:33,360 --> 05:38:37,600
does there is no place east to go

5939
05:38:37,600 --> 05:38:38,160
thousand

5940
05:38:38,160 --> 05:38:40,920
fourteen a lot's happened to those things happen but i was right now on the

5941
05:38:40,920 --> 05:38:42,120
brink of a nuclear exchange

5942
05:38:42,120 --> 05:38:43,280
and the question is why

5943
05:38:43,280 --> 05:38:45,480
and i don't understand why it's a little interest to be a war with the

5944
05:38:45,480 --> 05:38:49,160
place like this or um...

5945
05:38:49,160 --> 05:38:51,360
but what is this website look like it was it called

5946
05:38:51,360 --> 05:38:54,920
oh it might be this

5947
05:38:54,920 --> 05:38:57,360
uh... they have a bunch of information on it

5948
05:38:57,360 --> 05:39:04,360
i think here in other places but

5949
05:39:05,720 --> 05:39:08,360
is the i_tucker talking to pro war

5950
05:39:08,360 --> 05:39:11,160
i don't like the term pro war

5951
05:39:11,160 --> 05:39:13,920
is he pro this conflict

5952
05:39:13,920 --> 05:39:15,280
uh...

5953
05:39:15,280 --> 05:39:17,320
wait what do you mean by that

5954
05:39:17,320 --> 05:39:21,400
is he in favor of the current conflict in iran that the nad said is involved in

5955
05:39:21,400 --> 05:39:25,200
are with this one is about no i was about u_k_a_ in russia

5956
05:39:25,200 --> 05:39:34,120
i thought it was about iran i should go

5957
05:39:34,120 --> 05:39:38,040
but what i'm arguing is that if you are prepared for what becomes less likely

5958
05:39:38,040 --> 05:39:40,600
that's the whole basis of the parents is the whole reason i'm a success fighting

5959
05:39:40,600 --> 05:39:43,440
the war they will be less likely to nuke you know that's not true if you

5960
05:39:43,440 --> 05:39:47,360
get it if you don't support Ukraine if you allow russia to take Ukraine then it

5961
05:39:47,360 --> 05:39:50,240
moves on to the next object why is it that's what i was doing

5962
05:39:50,240 --> 05:39:52,960
to decide whether or not russia takes a train because it's strongly in our

5963
05:39:52,960 --> 05:39:54,640
national interest and in the united states

5964
05:39:54,640 --> 05:39:57,920
uh... because the one fundamental thing of the world order is the integrity of

5965
05:39:57,920 --> 05:39:58,640
nation states

5966
05:39:58,640 --> 05:39:59,960
if all nation states are up for grabs for

5967
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:01,600
to whichever country wants to take it

5968
05:40:01,600 --> 05:40:03,880
then why shouldn't try to take a while tomorrow

5969
05:40:03,880 --> 05:40:09,200
well i i i i i i i i i i i i i i don't know

5970
05:40:09,200 --> 05:40:13,400
whether the u_s_ in order to get you one of these guys this is this is a

5971
05:40:13,400 --> 05:40:16,200
propaganda series of fucking liar two is a liar

5972
05:40:16,200 --> 05:40:17,440
he's a liar

5973
05:40:17,440 --> 05:40:21,920
these guys are liars their evil people they shouldn't have any rights in the

5974
05:40:21,920 --> 05:40:24,160
united states to do journalism

5975
05:40:24,160 --> 05:40:25,800
where is this guy from

5976
05:40:25,800 --> 05:40:29,800
talker carlson wikipedia did he did he drop out of high school is he a random

5977
05:40:29,800 --> 05:40:33,040
fucking moron does he have no fucking education at all and he's just a

5978
05:40:33,040 --> 05:40:35,360
random fucking whatever

5979
05:40:35,360 --> 05:40:38,840
do do do do do do do do do do

5980
05:40:38,840 --> 05:40:41,320
oh shit wait he might be the one guy that didn't do

5981
05:40:41,320 --> 05:40:44,680
a fucking ivy league

5982
05:40:44,680 --> 05:40:46,000
ok you know what

5983
05:40:46,000 --> 05:40:48,960
maybe talkers retarded he's the only guy on all the fucking networks where you

5984
05:40:48,960 --> 05:40:51,680
go he attended trinity college and heartford connecticut and other than

5985
05:40:51,680 --> 05:40:54,760
four years he achieved a one point nine g_p_a_ and failed to graduate with his

5986
05:40:54,760 --> 05:40:56,280
class

5987
05:40:56,280 --> 05:40:57,720
okay

5988
05:40:57,720 --> 05:41:01,560
could take our might actually be retired but he's smarter than this he knows more

5989
05:41:01,560 --> 05:41:03,440
than this he knows he's lying

5990
05:41:03,440 --> 05:41:04,360
okay

5991
05:41:04,360 --> 05:41:07,880
we found the one retard that actually fucking really hates the ivy leagues and

5992
05:41:07,880 --> 05:41:10,920
could have made it i guess all right

5993
05:41:10,920 --> 05:41:14,360
the advice that's going to happen of course say you don't mind nation states

5994
05:41:14,360 --> 05:41:17,360
mind a lot of things but it's the question is not simply do i think it's

5995
05:41:17,360 --> 05:41:20,640
wrong the question is can i do anything about it and what cost a lot of population

5996
05:41:20,640 --> 05:41:24,720
is a much more complicated calculations are more complicated

5997
05:41:24,720 --> 05:41:26,880
as he shuts down every single potential

5998
05:41:26,880 --> 05:41:29,760
this is also broke there are so many things there's many things that people say

5999
05:41:29,760 --> 05:41:30,400
now

6000
05:41:30,400 --> 05:41:34,760
they're like shortcuts for the most retarded fucking thing possible

6001
05:41:34,760 --> 05:41:37,280
whatever says there's a lot of nuance here what that means is they don't know

6002
05:41:37,280 --> 05:41:39,800
anything about it and they don't know any of the nuance but they can't discuss it

6003
05:41:39,800 --> 05:41:40,840
at all

6004
05:41:40,840 --> 05:41:42,920
but you think that you know should we do a_r_b_ and it's like

6005
05:41:42,920 --> 05:41:45,960
that's really complicated is a lot of nuance oh okay well let's talk about it

6006
05:41:45,960 --> 05:41:50,040
well i think they always use that as a way to escape a conversation

6007
05:41:50,040 --> 05:41:52,360
or like well is it my right to do something means that they don't want to

6008
05:41:52,360 --> 05:41:53,680
defend the morality of it anymore right

6009
05:41:53,680 --> 05:41:55,800
as soon as somebody starts saying like well don't have a right to don't have a

6010
05:41:55,800 --> 05:41:56,880
right to do a thing

6011
05:41:56,880 --> 05:41:59,120
that means you know that you fucked up you know you're in the wrong

6012
05:41:59,120 --> 05:42:04,000
what the fuck is donald trump suing private citizens for election interference

6013
05:42:04,000 --> 05:42:06,200
because it's like the polls that they're making

6014
05:42:06,200 --> 05:42:09,720
well doesn't donald trump have the right to do that

6015
05:42:09,720 --> 05:42:12,120
that's not what we're talking about

6016
05:42:12,120 --> 05:42:15,440
you can if you project strength and afraid what the west is what's russia

6017
05:42:15,440 --> 05:42:19,520
was protect project weakness that the agreement uh... made uh... over the premiere

6018
05:42:19,520 --> 05:42:22,920
by germany in france made it look to put in that he could be what he wanted

6019
05:42:22,920 --> 05:42:26,560
he then miscalculated with ukraine and found that the west was not going to go

6020
05:42:26,560 --> 05:42:27,240
along with that

6021
05:42:27,240 --> 05:42:30,360
and it's very important that you don't allow dictators to miscalculate seems to

6022
05:42:30,360 --> 05:42:33,400
sad and saying sad and saying thought that he had had a message from the c_i_n_

6023
05:42:33,400 --> 05:42:34,440
i'm sure you know all this

6024
05:42:34,440 --> 05:42:37,640
that invading q_n_ would not upset the americans and that's when you project

6025
05:42:37,640 --> 05:42:39,600
weakness you make war more likely

6026
05:42:39,600 --> 05:42:41,840
well the cold war was one of the most intense moments in our history regular

6027
05:42:41,840 --> 05:42:43,880
people lived in fear of getting blown up by a nuke

6028
05:42:43,880 --> 05:42:46,840
no one had any idea how that war would end it's easy to think that we knew

6029
05:42:46,840 --> 05:42:49,960
and that's why i'm gonna sell you what do you think it is is going to be canned

6030
05:42:49,960 --> 05:42:53,000
food like non-perishable goods for an emergency shelter

6031
05:42:53,000 --> 05:42:57,880
is going to be gold in the emergency for the food for the gold it's gonna be uh...

6032
05:42:57,880 --> 05:43:01,720
uh... kid of like antibiotics and medications and stuff

6033
05:43:01,720 --> 05:43:02,760
ready

6034
05:43:02,760 --> 05:43:04,880
fifty years but we didn't until the end of the win

6035
05:43:04,880 --> 05:43:07,720
so if you like history probably do like history on learn more about this

6036
05:43:07,720 --> 05:43:09,000
part of them and never mind

6037
05:43:09,000 --> 05:43:11,280
that's why you want to watch a movie called the brink of war spring no one

6038
05:43:11,280 --> 05:43:13,840
jumped completely bring the war takes viewers inside ronald ragan and killed

6039
05:43:13,840 --> 05:43:17,240
work of the ocean and their country still make wow and it shows how much the

6040
05:43:17,240 --> 05:43:19,760
rest of the world sat on the edge of its seat to see what would happen

6041
05:43:19,760 --> 05:43:21,720
millions of lives were at stake

6042
05:43:21,720 --> 05:43:24,040
now unlike the leaders we have now reagan understood the preventing a

6043
05:43:24,040 --> 05:43:24,880
conflict

6044
05:43:24,880 --> 05:43:27,320
was the only good outcome for the u_s_ nuclear war

6045
05:43:27,320 --> 05:43:28,800
is the ultimate disaster

6046
05:43:28,800 --> 05:43:31,200
that's why it's not wisdom guide him along the past the piece though he could

6047
05:43:31,200 --> 05:43:32,480
have chosen where he didn't

6048
05:43:32,480 --> 05:43:36,280
so watching this film makes you realize how much modern washington differs from

6049
05:43:36,280 --> 05:43:38,400
previous generations and not for the better

6050
05:43:38,400 --> 05:43:41,160
so if you're interested in peace in leadership in diplomacy in the brink of war

6051
05:43:41,160 --> 05:43:43,280
something you are watching angel guild stream today

6052
05:43:43,280 --> 05:43:46,880
and angel dot com slash t_c_ well i i think if you try to keep the story you

6053
05:43:46,880 --> 05:43:49,640
can tell yourself that but you are truncating the story because that were

6054
05:43:49,640 --> 05:43:52,520
ended in nineteen ninety one the first gulf war and then twelve years later

6055
05:43:52,520 --> 05:43:55,040
there was another gulf war with what's more than a million people on the

6056
05:43:55,040 --> 05:43:58,320
second of what i should say now there is a kid on the side one e two years later

6057
05:43:58,320 --> 05:44:01,760
on another gulf war and one is using a rock is a staging based in the United

6058
05:44:01,760 --> 05:44:04,400
States so how did this work okay on the second of the stalker just like supreme

6059
05:44:04,400 --> 05:44:05,720
isolationist

6060
05:44:05,720 --> 05:44:10,400
no um... well kind of the it's hard when you talk about these people that are

6061
05:44:10,400 --> 05:44:13,840
like isolationist or anti-imperialist or whatever else because they they're

6062
05:44:13,840 --> 05:44:16,880
only that thing for the united states

6063
05:44:16,880 --> 05:44:20,400
when you say pro isolationist then he should be saying i don't think country

6064
05:44:20,400 --> 05:44:22,840
should ever be for the country's the united states should be here russia

6065
05:44:22,840 --> 05:44:25,640
absolutely should be here but they never really say that what they might say like

6066
05:44:25,640 --> 05:44:29,240
half-heartedly never with any kind of like conviction so that they're always

6067
05:44:29,240 --> 05:44:32,960
isolation is just things that would weaken or destroy our country but not

6068
05:44:32,960 --> 05:44:35,200
anything abroad

6069
05:44:35,200 --> 05:44:37,680
earlier when this guy asked him point blank is like do you think that china

6070
05:44:37,680 --> 05:44:39,840
should take over taiwan he's like well i don't know what you do anything about

6071
05:44:39,840 --> 05:44:41,680
them taking over taiwan say they don't really

6072
05:44:41,680 --> 05:44:43,040
they don't have a commitment to it

6073
05:44:43,040 --> 05:44:44,980
it's just anything about the united states yeah

6074
05:44:44,980 --> 05:44:47,560
try what i think is your view by the west i think you supported at the time

6075
05:44:47,560 --> 05:44:48,760
but now i think it was a mistake

6076
05:44:48,760 --> 05:44:51,160
i thought it was a mistake when i went to a rock in december of two thousand three

6077
05:44:51,160 --> 05:44:53,280
i knew it was a mistake and i'm apologizing or something to show them

6078
05:44:53,280 --> 05:44:55,400
okay because i think it was a state to agree with you

6079
05:44:55,400 --> 05:44:57,920
but the first gulf war i think was absolutely right because it was about the

6080
05:44:57,920 --> 05:45:00,000
territorial integrity of nation states i think it was one fundamentalist

6081
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:02,060
- It was right then, how did it result in another war

6082
05:45:02,060 --> 05:45:03,360
less than 50%?

6083
05:45:03,360 --> 05:45:04,880
- So is World War I wrong?

6084
05:45:04,880 --> 05:45:06,560
Because World War II happened after?

6085
05:45:06,560 --> 05:45:09,520
Like, you do know that, like, countries go to war.

6086
05:45:09,520 --> 05:45:11,840
This is literally the, I don't understand why

6087
05:45:11,840 --> 05:45:14,460
I have to take a shower when, in two days,

6088
05:45:14,460 --> 05:45:15,680
I'm gonna be super dirty again.

6089
05:45:15,680 --> 05:45:18,040
I don't understand why I have to pick up my room

6090
05:45:18,040 --> 05:45:19,720
when there's just gonna be toys on the floor afterwards.

6091
05:45:19,720 --> 05:45:21,720
I don't understand why I have to eat food,

6092
05:45:21,720 --> 05:45:23,280
knowing that tomorrow I'm gonna be hungry again.

6093
05:45:23,280 --> 05:45:25,220
Like, this is such a stupid fucking thing to say.

6094
05:45:25,220 --> 05:45:26,440
Oh my God.

6095
05:45:26,440 --> 05:45:27,600
Well, obviously the war didn't work

6096
05:45:27,600 --> 05:45:29,640
'cause we had another war liar.

6097
05:45:29,640 --> 05:45:30,480
- 15 years later?

6098
05:45:30,480 --> 05:45:31,320
- 'Cause the other war was none of our business.

6099
05:45:31,320 --> 05:45:33,000
It was the intel affairs of Iraq

6100
05:45:33,000 --> 05:45:34,560
on a pretext of nuclear weapons that didn't exist.

6101
05:45:34,560 --> 05:45:36,560
But hold on, the two were completely different.

6102
05:45:36,560 --> 05:45:38,320
- They are, completely.

6103
05:45:38,320 --> 05:45:40,080
- And actually, the--

6104
05:45:40,080 --> 05:45:41,400
- Owned, who said this guy did poorly?

6105
05:45:41,400 --> 05:45:42,560
Does he do poorly in the raster?

6106
05:45:42,560 --> 05:45:44,960
- George Bush Sr. got it right

6107
05:45:44,960 --> 05:45:46,880
because he had the opportunity to take Iraq

6108
05:45:46,880 --> 05:45:48,840
at the end of the first Gulf War.

6109
05:45:48,840 --> 05:45:51,200
And he said no, that's not the objective of this mission,

6110
05:45:51,200 --> 05:45:52,040
the objective of the mission

6111
05:45:52,040 --> 05:45:53,640
was the territory and integrity of Kuwait.

6112
05:45:53,640 --> 05:45:55,400
Now, where I think I disagree with you

6113
05:45:55,400 --> 05:45:57,520
is that the fundamental building block

6114
05:45:57,520 --> 05:46:00,200
of any form of world order is the nation's data

6115
05:46:00,200 --> 05:46:01,800
and that therefore it's in all our interests

6116
05:46:01,800 --> 05:46:03,320
to protect the nation's data.

6117
05:46:03,320 --> 05:46:05,120
Because if aggressors can invade one nation's data

6118
05:46:05,120 --> 05:46:06,560
and get away with it, they will carry on.

6119
05:46:06,560 --> 05:46:07,960
And then you've got no global order at all.

6120
05:46:07,960 --> 05:46:10,040
Where I think we have made a mistake

6121
05:46:10,040 --> 05:46:12,240
is in liberal interventionism, which I'm opposed to.

6122
05:46:12,240 --> 05:46:13,840
I think it is not my business

6123
05:46:13,840 --> 05:46:16,240
how Iraq is managed internally by Iraqis.

6124
05:46:16,240 --> 05:46:17,240
That is a matter for them

6125
05:46:17,240 --> 05:46:18,480
or how Putin manages Russia.

6126
05:46:18,480 --> 05:46:19,320
- Then why does it,

6127
05:46:19,320 --> 05:46:20,520
why do you keep describing Putin as a dictator?

6128
05:46:20,520 --> 05:46:22,320
As distinct from Zelensky, who was--

6129
05:46:23,880 --> 05:46:25,840
- You can describe people accurately

6130
05:46:25,840 --> 05:46:28,280
without saying that we are going to overthrow that leader

6131
05:46:28,280 --> 05:46:31,320
and force them to run the country in a democratic way.

6132
05:46:31,320 --> 05:46:32,560
You can call Putin a dictator and still

6133
05:46:32,560 --> 05:46:35,800
and have the position of we shouldn't invade Russia

6134
05:46:35,800 --> 05:46:36,840
and overthrow the regime.

6135
05:46:36,840 --> 05:46:38,040
Also, I like how we're gonna do that.

6136
05:46:38,040 --> 05:46:40,920
- Did you know that Ukraine doesn't have elections?

6137
05:46:40,920 --> 05:46:42,120
- Or how Putin manages Russia.

6138
05:46:42,120 --> 05:46:42,960
- Then why does it,

6139
05:46:42,960 --> 05:46:44,160
why do you keep describing Putin as a dictator?

6140
05:46:44,160 --> 05:46:46,320
- As distinct from Zelensky, who has not been elected.

6141
05:46:46,320 --> 05:46:47,160
- Well, he won't.

6142
05:46:47,160 --> 05:46:48,000
- Seven years.

6143
05:46:48,000 --> 05:46:48,840
- He's canceled the elections

6144
05:46:48,840 --> 05:46:49,840
and banned the largest Christian denomination

6145
05:46:49,840 --> 05:46:50,680
in the country.

6146
05:46:50,680 --> 05:46:51,520
- It would be--

6147
05:46:51,520 --> 05:46:52,360
- And imprisoned people for criticizing him,

6148
05:46:52,360 --> 05:46:53,200
so he's not a dictator.

6149
05:46:53,200 --> 05:46:54,040
- It would be very difficult for me

6150
05:46:54,040 --> 05:46:54,880
to criticize him on casting elections.

6151
05:46:54,880 --> 05:46:56,160
- Actually, what the UK did during the first decade.

6152
05:46:56,160 --> 05:46:57,840
- I'm really saying, you're not a liberal interventionist.

6153
05:46:57,840 --> 05:46:58,840
Why is Putin's from a government?

6154
05:46:58,840 --> 05:47:00,520
- No answer, notice how he doesn't have an answer

6155
05:47:00,520 --> 05:47:01,360
to literally anything.

6156
05:47:01,360 --> 05:47:03,360
He just has to pivot hot, pivot, hot, pivot, pivot,

6157
05:47:03,360 --> 05:47:05,080
hot, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop to like from one

6158
05:47:05,080 --> 05:47:06,720
stupid bullshit point to the next.

6159
05:47:06,720 --> 05:47:08,280
I wonder if there's like the first educated person

6160
05:47:08,280 --> 05:47:10,520
he's talked to, 'cause this guy has sharpened

6161
05:47:10,520 --> 05:47:12,120
and immediately knows the answer to all these bullshit questions.

6162
05:47:12,120 --> 05:47:13,040
- Precise him on casting elections.

6163
05:47:13,040 --> 05:47:14,680
It's exactly what the UK did during the first decade.

6164
05:47:14,680 --> 05:47:16,120
- I'm really saying, you're not a liberal interventionist.

6165
05:47:16,120 --> 05:47:18,200
Why is Putin's from a government even material?

6166
05:47:18,200 --> 05:47:19,040
Why do you care?

6167
05:47:19,040 --> 05:47:20,000
- It's up to him, how he governs Russia.

6168
05:47:20,000 --> 05:47:27,000
- It is my business when he starts invading them.

6169
05:47:27,000 --> 05:47:27,000
- Ta-da, there you go, easy, wait, pop, pop.

6170
05:47:27,000 --> 05:47:27,840
This guy is great.

6171
05:47:27,840 --> 05:47:28,840
- Yeah.

6172
05:47:28,840 --> 05:47:29,840
- They've been conscious.

6173
05:47:29,840 --> 05:47:30,840
- But the question is not whether or not you

6174
05:47:30,840 --> 05:47:31,840
approve of one nation's territorial expansion,

6175
05:47:31,840 --> 05:47:32,840
or it's need to control its neighbors,

6176
05:47:32,840 --> 05:47:33,840
which is by the way, the state of play

6177
05:47:33,840 --> 05:47:34,840
for all great powers.

6178
05:47:34,840 --> 05:47:35,840
- No, great power politics, this is bullshit.

6179
05:47:35,840 --> 05:47:37,840
This is what Trump wishes the world was like.

6180
05:47:37,840 --> 05:47:39,400
This is just not how the world works.

6181
05:47:39,400 --> 05:47:42,280
Since World War II, well, since the end of the Cold War,

6182
05:47:42,280 --> 05:47:44,240
especially, this is just not really how the world works.

6183
05:47:44,240 --> 05:47:46,880
That your neighbors are invading and taking over territory

6184
05:47:46,880 --> 05:47:47,960
from everybody else around you.

6185
05:47:47,960 --> 05:47:49,520
There's a reason why it was a big deal when Russia did it.

6186
05:47:49,520 --> 05:47:50,960
This is not generally how the world is supposed to work

6187
05:47:50,960 --> 05:47:53,000
right now, for the last 30, 40 years.

6188
05:47:53,000 --> 05:47:54,960
- There are no country with nuclear weapons

6189
05:47:54,960 --> 05:47:56,920
will tolerate another nation's nuclear weapons on its border.

6190
05:47:56,920 --> 05:47:57,920
- That's already happening though.

6191
05:47:57,920 --> 05:47:59,800
Or what nation does he mean?

6192
05:47:59,800 --> 05:48:00,920
'Cause if he's talking about NATO,

6193
05:48:00,920 --> 05:48:03,720
NATO has already been bordering Russia.

6194
05:48:03,720 --> 05:48:05,080
I don't know why nobody counts the Baltics

6195
05:48:05,080 --> 05:48:06,280
as real countries.

6196
05:48:06,280 --> 05:48:07,120
- Of course.

6197
05:48:07,120 --> 05:48:08,600
Well, that's the Cuban Missile Crisis, yes.

6198
05:48:08,600 --> 05:48:09,440
- Of course, yes.

6199
05:48:09,440 --> 05:48:10,280
- Well, it's the current Iran war,

6200
05:48:10,280 --> 05:48:11,960
because Israeli nuclear armed power did not want

6201
05:48:11,960 --> 05:48:12,800
Iran having nuclear weapons.

6202
05:48:12,800 --> 05:48:13,640
I'm not criticizing anyone.

6203
05:48:13,640 --> 05:48:14,480
- I think it's a very sensible

6204
05:48:14,480 --> 05:48:15,320
but we do not want Iran having nuclear weapons.

6205
05:48:15,320 --> 05:48:16,160
- I don't want anyone having nuclear weapons.

6206
05:48:16,160 --> 05:48:17,000
- I'm just saying that this is--

6207
05:48:17,000 --> 05:48:19,880
- No weapons and I don't mind the United States having money.

6208
05:48:19,880 --> 05:48:20,960
- I'm really saying that we can't be surprised

6209
05:48:20,960 --> 05:48:22,240
by that response because that's just the nature

6210
05:48:22,240 --> 05:48:23,080
of great powers.

6211
05:48:23,080 --> 05:48:23,920
- Okay.

6212
05:48:23,920 --> 05:48:25,880
- My question is, what--

6213
05:48:25,880 --> 05:48:27,400
- In that case, I wish this way

6214
05:48:27,400 --> 05:48:29,160
to just turn this around and then just answer

6215
05:48:29,160 --> 05:48:30,120
like a brain dead dipshit.

6216
05:48:30,120 --> 05:48:34,160
Oh, why should the UK care about Russia invading Ukraine?

6217
05:48:34,160 --> 05:48:35,880
Oh, 'cause that's the nature of great powers.

6218
05:48:35,880 --> 05:48:37,120
We're interested in what happens in our continent.

6219
05:48:37,120 --> 05:48:39,280
We want to flex our military and economic might

6220
05:48:39,280 --> 05:48:40,440
whenever we can against invaders,

6221
05:48:40,440 --> 05:48:41,360
'cause that's the nature of great powers.

6222
05:48:41,360 --> 05:48:42,200
And then just end it there.

6223
05:48:42,200 --> 05:48:43,480
You should just repeat that answer

6224
05:48:43,480 --> 05:48:45,920
ad nauseam until he gives up and takes an out.

6225
05:48:45,920 --> 05:48:47,400
- What can you do about it?

6226
05:48:47,400 --> 05:48:49,640
So you have said that weakness abets aggression,

6227
05:48:49,640 --> 05:48:51,240
which is an often repeated axiom,

6228
05:48:51,240 --> 05:48:53,760
which sure is entirely true, but it can't be true.

6229
05:48:53,760 --> 05:48:54,600
- Read hard.

6230
05:48:54,600 --> 05:48:56,080
- Is that really true, though?

6231
05:48:56,080 --> 05:48:58,000
Just because you're weak, you think people will invade you?

6232
05:48:58,000 --> 05:49:00,280
By the way, what did he just say?

6233
05:49:00,280 --> 05:49:02,560
His entire foundational worldview

6234
05:49:02,560 --> 05:49:07,560
for international relations is great power countries.

6235
05:49:07,960 --> 05:49:10,040
The implication being that if you're a large power,

6236
05:49:10,040 --> 05:49:11,960
that you gain some kind of control over the nations

6237
05:49:11,960 --> 05:49:14,400
that are around you such that the weaker nations

6238
05:49:14,400 --> 05:49:17,400
invite some level of tampering and fucking with this.

6239
05:49:19,320 --> 05:49:20,160
- True.

6240
05:49:20,160 --> 05:49:21,520
- Even his own stupid fucking worldview

6241
05:49:21,520 --> 05:49:22,920
is even remotely consistent.

6242
05:49:22,920 --> 05:49:24,320
- But what's your option?

6243
05:49:24,320 --> 05:49:28,280
So Britain right now has apparently a military strength

6244
05:49:28,280 --> 05:49:30,360
of under 19,000 ready for combat.

6245
05:49:30,360 --> 05:49:32,120
- Yes, 'cause that's what we're talking about.

6246
05:49:32,120 --> 05:49:33,880
Is Britain sending soldiers to Ukraine?

6247
05:49:33,880 --> 05:49:35,120
- So for perspective, you know,

6248
05:49:35,120 --> 05:49:35,960
there are battles in the First World War

6249
05:49:35,960 --> 05:49:37,640
in which Britain lost more than 19,000 in one day.

6250
05:49:37,640 --> 05:49:38,920
So that's nothing.

6251
05:49:38,920 --> 05:49:40,400
Russia has one of the most powerful militarys

6252
05:49:40,400 --> 05:49:41,640
in the world is standing army of familiar men.

6253
05:49:41,640 --> 05:49:43,100
- Dodging my question, like Pokemon,

6254
05:49:43,100 --> 05:49:44,280
I don't think I can get a question.

6255
05:49:44,280 --> 05:49:45,120
- What?

6256
05:49:47,720 --> 05:49:50,520
- Are you scared to react to Professor Dave's new vid?

6257
05:49:50,520 --> 05:49:54,920
- Yes, is it the fifth one or the sixth one?

6258
05:49:54,920 --> 05:49:57,520
This one is the one that's really gonna do me in.

6259
05:49:59,000 --> 05:49:59,920
- Well, I might at some point,

6260
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:04,580
It's awkward to just go over like huge swaths of it that are just Kiwi farms doctors of people in my community

6261
05:50:04,580 --> 05:50:05,840
It puts me in kind of an awkward spot

6262
05:50:05,840 --> 05:50:10,980
But once I have more information on Dave's wife because people are emailing me stuff about her practice everything then maybe I don't know

6263
05:50:10,980 --> 05:50:12,980
Maybe I'll feel more comfortable responding. We'll see

6264
05:50:12,980 --> 05:50:17,120
Well, that's not necessarily the same as one of those powerful nurtures in the world is it's a very large number of troops is not necessarily a powerful arm

6265
05:50:17,120 --> 05:50:19,640
It's a very first world war in which Britain lost more than 19,000 in one day

6266
05:50:19,640 --> 05:50:23,920
So that's nothing Russia has one of those powerful nurtures in the world is standing army of a million in a half

6267
05:50:23,920 --> 05:50:27,640
Well, that's not necessarily the same as one of those powerful nurtures in the world is it's a very large number of troops is not necessarily part

6268
05:50:27,640 --> 05:50:29,640
But it battles in a first world

6269
05:50:32,040 --> 05:50:34,000
Or which Britain lost more than 18,000 in one day

6270
05:50:34,000 --> 05:50:38,260
Hold on. So that's nothing Russia has one of those powerful military's in the world is standing army of a million and a half

6271
05:50:38,960 --> 05:50:43,620
Why are you still imagine still dick-sucking Russia's military?

6272
05:50:44,400 --> 05:50:48,960
50 fucking decades into the war with Ukraine that they were supposed to win in like two weeks

6273
05:50:49,640 --> 05:50:50,960
seriously

6274
05:50:50,960 --> 05:50:54,700
But that's not necessarily the same as one of those powerful military's in the world is it a very large number of troops is not necessarily a

6275
05:50:54,700 --> 05:50:57,840
Part of not because if it was they probably would have won by now, huh? That's right

6276
05:50:57,840 --> 05:51:00,880
But I'm not it's hard to know exactly how powerful the Russian military's it's free

6277
05:51:00,880 --> 05:51:03,760
You know how powerful the British military's which is not at all so like what is this?

6278
05:51:03,760 --> 05:51:07,500
Everyone thought the Russian military was sufficiently powerful that it could roll up Ukraine in a fortnight and it failed

6279
05:51:07,700 --> 05:51:11,380
Well, they can set a hypersonic everyone thought the Russian military was thank you. I like who is this guy?

6280
05:51:11,380 --> 05:51:14,140
You know what? I like this dude. Thank you true King

6281
05:51:16,240 --> 05:51:20,360
sufficiently powerful that it could roll up Ukraine in a fortnight and it failed for night is two weeks by the way

6282
05:51:20,360 --> 05:51:24,900
Or if it again well, they can set hypersonic missiles into Kiev today and end the war

6283
05:51:27,320 --> 05:51:31,220
What we're relying on Putin for string not to do that they could also nuke

6284
05:51:32,080 --> 05:51:34,860
This is our theory of mine. This is how politics

6285
05:51:35,640 --> 05:51:37,640
Well, actually

6286
05:51:41,480 --> 05:51:47,160
They wanted they could but that would be I'm just saying as a material fact wait this guy was one of the faces of Brexit

6287
05:51:47,160 --> 05:51:50,540
Oh, no, okay, never mind. We don't think about that stop

6288
05:51:51,460 --> 05:51:56,720
They have restrained themselves but to a land war with people where where they were thought to be overwhelmingly powerful

6289
05:51:57,200 --> 05:51:58,800
And they've turned out not to be well

6290
05:51:58,800 --> 05:52:01,360
They could be overwhelming powerful if they wanted to work this afternoon

6291
05:52:01,360 --> 05:52:04,960
I think they decided they use nuclear weapons but without your supersonic weapons

6292
05:52:04,960 --> 05:52:07,600
Which can't be stopped if they took it up to an enormous stage

6293
05:52:07,600 --> 05:52:11,260
But actually in 2022 people thought Russia would walk in and roll up Ukraine

6294
05:52:11,260 --> 05:52:16,400
Then a fortnight but again all the expert you disagree that they could if they wanted to today and this war, of course

6295
05:52:16,400 --> 05:52:20,000
They could well I think if they took it to another level they would they would risk

6296
05:52:20,000 --> 05:52:23,680
I think you keep pushing them to it and that's the basis of this notion which is why are you pushing them?

6297
05:52:23,680 --> 05:52:25,320
No, I'm not pushing them

6298
05:52:25,320 --> 05:52:30,680
I'm pushing us to be prepared because they are making attacks on the West and we know this they are making cyber attacks

6299
05:52:30,680 --> 05:52:35,520
They are making but do you see a connection between what the West is doing and Russia's attacks on the West or is this just?

6300
05:52:35,800 --> 05:52:41,400
What would be the other explanation? The reason for Russia going into Ukraine what allowed them to do it was on weakness

6301
05:52:41,960 --> 05:52:45,880
Earlier over the Crimea and that made it look as if we didn't really care

6302
05:52:46,400 --> 05:52:48,400
And then it turned out that we did care

6303
05:52:48,800 --> 05:52:50,800
I never cared for the record at all

6304
05:52:55,800 --> 05:52:58,560
So that's my position I care because we had signed a treaty

6305
05:52:59,560 --> 05:53:05,400
About the nuclear weapons being given up by Ukraine as had your country and that as it was overwhelmingly in our interests

6306
05:53:05,400 --> 05:53:08,200
expect you to agree with this for Ukraine not to be a nuclear power

6307
05:53:08,640 --> 05:53:15,040
We didn't want small keep referring to an event from 35 years. Yes is one small part of a long side

6308
05:53:15,040 --> 05:53:20,840
No, no, no, this is fundamental because Russia would Russia would not have evaded invaded Ukraine if Ukraine had kept its nuclear weapons

6309
05:53:20,840 --> 05:53:25,520
Probably Ukraine being the most corrupt country. You're not might have already sold those nuclear weapons to bad actors. Oh my god

6310
05:53:26,800 --> 05:53:30,560
The world which is one of the reasons the United States wanted to get rid of them. I was there for this

6311
05:53:30,560 --> 05:53:34,480
I remember I'm not denying this I'm not denying that Ukraine has had enormous corruption and still saying

6312
05:53:34,480 --> 05:53:37,920
That's why the rest of the world felt Ukraine could not be trusted not because we didn't want them to have sovereignty

6313
05:53:37,920 --> 05:53:42,760
But because we wanted to protect that sovereignty and for them not to have nuclear weapons because we it was a it was an overall

6314
05:53:42,840 --> 05:53:50,240
Reduction and nuclear proliferation everybody was of the mindset that the fewer nuclear countries the better didn't want smaller states have nuclear weapons

6315
05:53:50,240 --> 05:53:54,760
We could live with Russia and China and India and Pakistan and Israel the UK and France have nuclear weapons

6316
05:53:54,760 --> 05:53:57,680
But we didn't want I feel like we're in a cul-de-sac right now

6317
05:53:57,680 --> 05:54:04,280
This is fundamental because that you have to go back to why is it in our interest for Ukraine's territory integrity to be maintained

6318
05:54:04,280 --> 05:54:09,640
First of all because the nation state is the fundamental of global order without the nation state

6319
05:54:09,640 --> 05:54:16,220
There is no global or I'm not an internationalist and then there is the issue of is America's word worth anything

6320
05:54:16,320 --> 05:54:21,620
You have an interest if you persuade a state to give up nuclear weapons and say that you believe its territory

6321
05:54:21,620 --> 05:54:25,680
Integrity should be maintained and your signature that treaty does that matter or do you just sign these things?

6322
05:54:25,680 --> 05:54:27,680
We have never signed a treaty

6323
05:54:28,720 --> 05:54:30,720
Well, we haven't well we have

6324
05:54:31,960 --> 05:54:33,960
This is for the fifth time

6325
05:54:34,080 --> 05:54:38,200
Is this just he just can't engage on anything God how do people watch this shit?

6326
05:54:38,200 --> 05:54:43,120
It's so it's is an indictment of the mind of a podcast listener that he can't he just can't even have like a

6327
05:54:43,480 --> 05:54:49,680
Like any any high schooler that takes a fucking course on literally anything and reads seven paragraphs out of a history book

6328
05:54:49,680 --> 05:54:51,680
Would be able to have a more interesting conversation

6329
05:54:52,520 --> 05:54:54,520
then then this

6330
05:54:56,280 --> 05:55:00,000
You simply devoid of nuance yes that the two questions are not the same just because you've signed it

6331
05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:03,600
treated as not automatically to fight the war doesn't suggest the course of

6332
05:55:03,600 --> 05:55:06,520
action that you're suggesting that he's not going to the treaty never says that

6333
05:55:06,520 --> 05:55:10,000
pretty important saying that you interest in the territory of the question there's

6334
05:55:10,000 --> 05:55:12,800
a higher chance at soccer he should this guy needs to ask more questions but

6335
05:55:12,800 --> 05:55:14,640
maybe it's not like an aggressive debate or type or maybe they do a

6336
05:55:14,640 --> 05:55:17,280
different areas for whatever but like he should ask her what do you think the

6337
05:55:17,280 --> 05:55:21,200
treaty meant was it nothing was it just worth shit what do we just wipe our

6338
05:55:21,200 --> 05:55:24,880
ass what what did it mean stop saying that will it didn't obligate us to

6339
05:55:24,880 --> 05:55:29,040
military intervention yeah we he knows that but what do you think it meant for

6340
05:55:29,040 --> 05:55:31,840
responsibility that a nation and individual faces we got all kinds of

6341
05:55:31,840 --> 05:55:35,120
obligations but we have to put them in order of importance and you seem to be

6342
05:55:35,120 --> 05:55:38,080
suggesting that a nation's obligation is to something called the international

6343
05:55:38,080 --> 05:55:41,880
order over and above the interests of its own population I don't agree no no oh my

6344
05:55:41,880 --> 05:55:45,280
god these two things run concurrently with each other oh my god that's all they've

6345
05:55:45,280 --> 05:55:49,000
said the national interest is my biggest concern okay and the national interest

6346
05:55:49,000 --> 05:55:51,840
is served overwhelmingly by the registration states do you majority

6347
05:55:51,840 --> 05:55:54,200
support for war with Russia here in the UK majority school there's why I don't

6348
05:55:54,200 --> 05:55:57,600
usually talk to educated people cuz we're not like because everything this guy

6349
05:55:57,600 --> 05:56:01,440
is saying this is babbies first engagement seriously with this

6350
05:56:01,440 --> 05:56:05,600
conversation right it's like babbies first thing like wait are you saying

6351
05:56:05,600 --> 05:56:08,800
that we should care about our country or are you saying that we should care

6352
05:56:08,800 --> 05:56:12,080
about the world order more and it's like well if you really think about it

6353
05:56:12,080 --> 05:56:15,440
caring about the world order kind of sort of cares about your country at the

6354
05:56:15,440 --> 05:56:20,840
same time right isn't that kind of important like huh like it's it's like

6355
05:56:20,840 --> 05:56:24,880
trust is served overwhelmingly by the integrity of nation states do you

6356
05:56:24,880 --> 05:56:27,680
majority support for Russia here in the UK majority school for what a war with

6357
05:56:27,680 --> 05:56:30,120
Russia nobody wants to go to war with Russia okay but that's why there's

6358
05:56:30,120 --> 05:56:34,000
increasingly this country for building up our military say that we are able to

6359
05:56:34,000 --> 05:56:36,960
defend ourselves do that we just spend more money on it you recruit more soldiers

6360
05:56:36,960 --> 05:56:39,160
owning a home has always been the core of the American dream is the acid that

6361
05:56:39,160 --> 05:56:42,800
families work their lives to build place of stability security and buddy has to

6362
05:56:42,800 --> 05:56:46,280
take out American financing home loans for six eight five hundred fifty six

6363
05:56:46,280 --> 05:56:49,360
ninety six visit American financing dot net slash Tucker and if you go from a

6364
05:56:49,360 --> 05:56:51,840
fighting force of under nineteen thousand which is bigger than Estonians

6365
05:56:51,840 --> 05:56:55,320
which is 5,000 but still somewhat like these these are said I don't even know

6366
05:56:55,320 --> 05:56:57,920
where these talk words come from because I haven't followed the Russia propaganda

6367
05:56:57,920 --> 05:57:00,080
blinds or whatever and I haven't seen these people debating too much because

6368
05:57:00,080 --> 05:57:03,480
they've all abandoned the topic but like what is this 19,000 number the number

6369
05:57:03,480 --> 05:57:08,400
of troops the number of troops the number of troops like what in the three

6370
05:57:08,400 --> 05:57:12,040
and a half million in the Russian army on how did he say now it's three and a half

6371
05:57:12,040 --> 05:57:15,200
million I thought it was 1.5 million before how many the stonias which is 5,000

6372
05:57:15,200 --> 05:57:18,120
but still somewhat less than the three and a half million yeah they got two

6373
05:57:18,120 --> 05:57:23,080
million troops in like 15 minutes holy shit in the Russian army um they're so

6374
05:57:23,080 --> 05:57:26,200
strong how much would that cost and where would they come from well there's

6375
05:57:26,200 --> 05:57:29,320
plenty of money mr spending it all on welfare at the moment we're about to spend

6376
05:57:29,320 --> 05:57:34,200
400 billion pounds a year oh shit okay I see the the Tory has come to play all

6377
05:57:34,200 --> 05:57:38,160
right get away from domestic issues sir welfare and welfare would it was

6378
05:57:38,160 --> 05:57:42,080
specifically me but well actually oh fuck no this is gonna be a hard one because

6379
05:57:42,080 --> 05:57:44,540
I'm gonna say maybe it's good to counter Tucker from a conservative

6380
05:57:44,540 --> 05:57:51,520
perspective yeah well fair benefits people who are to work some of that's

6381
05:57:51,520 --> 05:57:54,980
on pensions but our welfare benefit system has been ballooning if we could

6382
05:57:54,980 --> 05:57:57,120
take even a part of them you could spend an embalm so what are you doing

6383
05:57:57,120 --> 05:58:00,040
that's a fair point right we've got a crazy welfare system I mean this country

6384
05:58:00,040 --> 05:58:03,440
is not being well actually I'm sorry that's not fair to compare there are

6385
05:58:03,440 --> 05:58:06,520
issues with the way that European States and probably the UK doles out

6386
05:58:06,520 --> 05:58:09,840
welfare people they these states are significantly more generous with their

6387
05:58:09,840 --> 05:58:12,600
benefits than the United States so it's a different thing well run we are

6388
05:58:12,600 --> 05:58:16,120
spending much more money than we have and our defense spending is pitifully

6389
05:58:16,120 --> 05:58:19,120
low it's even lower than it seems because we're at 2.7% of GDP they're a

6390
05:58:19,120 --> 05:58:23,180
public demand for more defense spending the public is getting increasingly

6391
05:58:23,180 --> 05:58:25,200
why did the world is getting you think that the average Britney if given the

6392
05:58:25,200 --> 05:58:27,680
choice between food and housing assistance or unemployment benefits would

6393
05:58:27,680 --> 05:58:30,520
instead choose to forego those in favor of more bombs I think the country at

6394
05:58:30,520 --> 05:58:34,280
large is deeply fed up with people on welfare who have made it I bet that you

6395
05:58:34,280 --> 05:58:36,420
think if you put it up to a vote a national referendum I think you would

6396
05:58:36,420 --> 05:58:40,000
find that people want to fence and the risk willing to reduce social spending

6397
05:58:40,000 --> 05:58:42,520
I think they want to do such a spending anyway okay I think I might rather have

6398
05:58:42,520 --> 05:58:45,120
the special spending in tax cuts but people deeply fed up you know in this

6399
05:58:45,120 --> 05:58:48,200
country there are six million wonderful people who we should really admire who

6400
05:58:48,200 --> 05:58:51,200
work even though they would be better off on benefits oh I'm I'm aware I would

6401
05:58:51,200 --> 05:58:54,560
never defend your disease tax this is crazy no I'm in full agreement with you

6402
05:58:54,560 --> 05:58:58,360
the question is should you take that dividend that savings and spend it on

6403
05:58:58,360 --> 05:59:01,040
pointless war that you can't possibly win they'll only get yours oh it's a

6404
05:59:01,040 --> 05:59:03,640
pointless whether you can't possibly win now - so now it's not just about the

6405
05:59:03,640 --> 05:59:06,240
truth numbers it's not about not having the money you can't even win that war by

6406
05:59:06,240 --> 05:59:11,080
the way remember two weeks Russia was supposed to invade Ukraine and win in

6407
05:59:11,080 --> 05:59:16,440
two weeks we won't fight a war if we are defended so to what extent would you

6408
05:59:16,440 --> 05:59:19,640
have to increase your military to intimidate Russia which possesses

6409
05:59:19,640 --> 05:59:22,160
nuclear and hypersonic weapons it's not a question of intimidating we're not

6410
05:59:22,160 --> 05:59:24,320
trying to intimidate Russia because we wouldn't succeed in intimidating Russia

6411
05:59:24,320 --> 05:59:26,760
totally confused it's a question of being taken seriously what's the

6412
05:59:26,760 --> 05:59:28,840
difference who didn't did not take Ukraine seriously he thought he could

6413
05:59:28,840 --> 05:59:31,360
invade it and take it over very quickly what's intimidating someone in and

6414
05:59:31,360 --> 05:59:34,000
being taken seriously they're identical concepts right now I don't think they are

6415
05:59:34,000 --> 05:59:38,360
intimate just be impressed by your resolve intimidation is throwing it is

6416
05:59:38,360 --> 05:59:40,920
suggesting that you are intending to be aggressive it's a death penalty from

6417
05:59:40,920 --> 05:59:44,000
that's right now I don't think that is right I think intimidating is showing

6418
05:59:44,000 --> 05:59:47,920
that you want to be aggressive whereas showing resolve scaring someone off I'm

6419
05:59:47,920 --> 05:59:51,000
armed back off I'm armed so it's not in your interests to do anything that's okay

6420
05:59:51,000 --> 05:59:54,120
so we're saying the same thing but possibly is intimidating because we're not

6421
05:59:54,120 --> 05:59:56,960
going to intimidate right nor do we want but you're going to you want to tell

6422
05:59:56,960 --> 06:00:00,360
Russia if you mess with the UK it's not worth it we're still

6423
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:02,320
scary enough that like go pick on someone else that's what I don't think

6424
06:00:02,320 --> 06:00:06,080
on anybody but how much do you think you would from the condition of the

6425
06:00:06,080 --> 06:00:08,200
British military now like how much do you have to spend how many people would

6426
06:00:08,200 --> 06:00:11,520
have to join the British military in order to have that effect on Russia

6427
06:00:11,520 --> 06:00:14,560
well it's a question of building up our overall defense expenditure the interim

6428
06:00:14,560 --> 06:00:16,780
target is three and a half percent of GDP whether that's enough is highly

6429
06:00:16,780 --> 06:00:20,280
debatable but it's much more about equipment than it is about numbers okay

6430
06:00:20,280 --> 06:00:26,240
so you wouldn't have to have a larger footing I do that it's like this is like

6431
06:00:26,240 --> 06:00:33,520
so retarded surprise if you needed it but it's not going to be a war on British

6432
06:00:33,520 --> 06:00:37,560
soil Russia is not going to invade Britain it's got a long way to go to get

6433
06:00:37,560 --> 06:00:40,560
here it's a question about working to take out your capital city instantly it

6434
06:00:40,560 --> 06:00:43,120
could but then we could take out Moscow I mean if you want to get to nuclear war

6435
06:00:43,120 --> 06:00:45,880
no but the reason we don't get it oh my god he finally said a thing like that

6436
06:00:45,880 --> 06:00:48,760
hold on hold on hold on we're not allowed to do that they might be able to do

6437
06:00:48,760 --> 06:00:52,480
but we're not allowed to do that nuclear war is that both sides oh you should

6438
06:00:52,480 --> 06:00:54,720
make him answer that so you're totally convinced that Russia would never use

6439
06:00:54,720 --> 06:00:56,840
nuclear weapons under any circumstances offensively they haven't yet one could

6440
06:00:56,840 --> 06:00:59,680
never go that far the whole point of well both Russia and the United States

6441
06:00:59,680 --> 06:01:03,280
President Trump are both openly threatening to use offensive nuclear weapons

6442
06:01:03,280 --> 06:01:08,680
you tactical nuclear weapons at the moment and the reason the Cold War

6443
06:01:08,680 --> 06:01:12,380
strategy worked is because the Terrence work but to make the Terrence work you

6444
06:01:12,380 --> 06:01:17,160
have to be strong and there is no deterrent really if you go from step one

6445
06:01:17,160 --> 06:01:20,640
to nuclear weapons in one fell swoop if you're only real defense if Russia does

6446
06:01:20,640 --> 06:01:23,360
something in Poland or Estonia is to get a nuclear war nobody's going to tell you

6447
06:01:23,360 --> 06:01:26,160
seriously on that no one can go from no one can take you seriously if you use a

6448
06:01:26,160 --> 06:01:28,600
nuclear weapon very serious they're not going to take you seriously that you

6449
06:01:28,600 --> 06:01:31,240
would use a nuclear weapon because it wouldn't be proportionate so tell me

6450
06:01:31,240 --> 06:01:34,800
how the place out you've got to have the interim levels of defense as well you

6451
06:01:34,800 --> 06:01:37,840
can't just go from we're all pacifists but if you really do something ask you

6452
06:01:37,840 --> 06:01:40,080
will nuke you because nobody will believe that you would use the nuclear bomb in

6453
06:01:40,080 --> 06:01:44,000
those circumstances because the level of aggression would not be hot enough so

6454
06:01:44,000 --> 06:01:48,360
you've got to have using a nuclear weapon it's just explaining like basic

6455
06:01:48,360 --> 06:01:52,560
deterrent like you have escalatory pathways which is how all military

6456
06:01:52,560 --> 06:01:56,400
conflict works between nation states now terrorist groups are fucking lunatics

6457
06:01:56,400 --> 06:02:01,640
might be different but everybody's going to follow predictable chains because you

6458
06:02:01,640 --> 06:02:04,840
want to be able to because the entire world wants some level of stability it's

6459
06:02:04,840 --> 06:02:07,800
crazy as it is even in war people want some level of stability if you start

6460
06:02:07,800 --> 06:02:12,000
bombing my ship I'm gonna bomb your shit and I might do like some omega bombing

6461
06:02:12,000 --> 06:02:14,160
of your shit or whatever it's like oh you're an omega bomb I sure well I might

6462
06:02:14,160 --> 06:02:18,160
fucking start would you know killing all your whales and blowing up all your

6463
06:02:18,160 --> 06:02:20,200
fun I don't know killing the animal I don't know some fucking not telling

6464
06:02:20,200 --> 06:02:22,840
animals because like terrorism eco terrorism but like there's gonna be

6465
06:02:22,840 --> 06:02:26,520
escalatory pathways it's not gonna be like you bomb my soldiers here and then

6466
06:02:26,520 --> 06:02:30,160
I'm gonna bomb your refinery and now you just nuked 50% of my landmass like

6467
06:02:30,160 --> 06:02:33,240
that's insane and it doesn't make any sense because now you're the whole point

6468
06:02:33,240 --> 06:02:36,840
of having like higher and higher forms of escalation is that you are able to

6469
06:02:36,840 --> 06:02:40,440
exit power over the other person to get what you want but there's like plenty of

6470
06:02:40,440 --> 06:02:43,880
off-ramps the entire way so you're not just like destroying the entire planet

6471
06:02:43,880 --> 06:02:46,600
like you need the off-ramps because it's part of the back-and-forth fighting

6472
06:02:46,600 --> 06:02:51,400
process against Russia to preserve the world order and to deter territorial

6473
06:02:51,400 --> 06:02:55,240
aggression against I think ultimately nuclear weapons serve a very useful

6474
06:02:55,240 --> 06:03:00,560
purpose as being the final threat you will in what way in what way that the

6475
06:03:00,560 --> 06:03:03,880
whole Cold War strategy worked Russia and America did not go to war because

6476
06:03:03,880 --> 06:03:08,040
both sides realized that the other could wipe them out right but is using nuclear

6477
06:03:08,040 --> 06:03:10,960
the actual use of nuclear weapons is that ever justified I think justified in

6478
06:03:10,960 --> 06:03:12,960
Hiroshima and Nagasaki yes I think was justified in bringing the Second World

6479
06:03:12,960 --> 06:03:17,200
Internet yes but also I would say that that's that's fundamentally a different

6480
06:03:17,200 --> 06:03:20,640
thing it's almost not even really the same thing as using nuclear weapons now

6481
06:03:20,640 --> 06:03:23,920
because back then that was like the top of the top there was no responsive

6482
06:03:23,920 --> 06:03:26,280
nuclear weapons that I don't think anybody else had at the point when we

6483
06:03:26,280 --> 06:03:29,640
dropped it on Hiroshima and Nagasaki the Soviets nobody had nuclear weapons

6484
06:03:29,640 --> 06:03:31,760
besides us so it wasn't like there was even a back-and-forth that could happen

6485
06:03:31,760 --> 06:03:36,960
there right unquestionably unquestionably yes I thought the number of

6486
06:03:36,960 --> 06:03:40,480
lives like we might have a different conversation if Japan had an arsenal

6487
06:03:40,480 --> 06:03:43,920
nuclear weapons who knows if nuking Hiroshima Nagasaki would have been

6488
06:03:43,920 --> 06:03:46,480
acceptable if they had the ability to nuke you know seven other huge cities on

6489
06:03:46,480 --> 06:03:48,840
the planet maybe there would have been an entirely different calculation that

6490
06:03:48,840 --> 06:03:51,040
well there definitely would have been an entirely different calculation there

6491
06:03:51,040 --> 06:04:15,400
justified to kill people who did nothing wrong I don't even know like what is a

6492
06:04:15,400 --> 06:04:19,840
slap dude one question on question yes I thought the number of lives it's

6493
06:04:19,840 --> 06:04:23,000
justified to kill people who did nothing wrong well we're not talking about

6494
06:04:23,000 --> 06:04:27,240
you did nothing wrong the populations of crowded cities are not responsible for

6495
06:04:27,240 --> 06:04:31,880
the way we were in a state of total war okay well I think we're not a state

6496
06:04:31,880 --> 06:04:34,160
or actually there were no Japanese troops on American soil we were not a

6497
06:04:34,160 --> 06:04:38,840
state where they were to a state attacked American four years before and

6498
06:04:38,840 --> 06:04:41,260
then they were losing but we were not a state of war and but I'm asking you a

6499
06:04:41,260 --> 06:04:45,120
logical question is ever allowed under the preceptors like Christianity kill

6500
06:04:45,120 --> 06:04:56,800
people who did nothing wrong does it mean to kindnesses test of adjustable it

6501
06:04:56,800 --> 06:05:01,960
does not I think it does how well I'm a legitimate authority yes

6502
06:05:00,000 --> 06:05:02,880
you are, is it an important cause? Yes, because you have been attacked and you're

6503
06:05:02,880 --> 06:05:05,200
offending yourself. And is it proportionate? Yes, because it actually shortens the

6504
06:05:05,200 --> 06:05:07,360
duration of the war. That's not the definition of proportionate.

6505
06:05:07,360 --> 06:05:10,960
Proportionate means that you're responding. Are you legitimate authority? Yes, you are.

6506
06:05:11,760 --> 06:05:15,200
For allowed under the peace of society Christianity, kill people who did nothing wrong.

6507
06:05:15,200 --> 06:05:18,240
Does it mean to quite as his test of adjustable? It does not.

6508
06:05:18,240 --> 06:05:21,760
I think it does. How? Well, are you legitimate authority? Yes, you are.

6509
06:05:21,760 --> 06:05:24,480
Is it an important cause? Yes, because you have been attacked and you're defending yourself.

6510
06:05:24,480 --> 06:05:27,280
And is it proportionate? Yes, because it actually shortens the duration of the war.

6511
06:05:27,280 --> 06:05:29,920
That's not the definition of proportionate. Proportionate means that you're responding

6512
06:05:29,920 --> 06:05:33,120
in a way that is not grandly larger than the initial attack.

6513
06:05:35,280 --> 06:05:40,560
I don't know what this guy's background is, or if he's hinting at this, but proportionality,

6514
06:05:40,560 --> 06:05:46,320
these assessments have to do with how closely a certain action that might cause, unfortunately,

6515
06:05:46,320 --> 06:05:51,760
some collateral harm to civilians, how closely it moves you towards the goal of ending the overall

6516
06:05:51,760 --> 06:05:55,600
conflict. Well, he just said that that was actually true from an international law of

6517
06:05:55,600 --> 06:05:59,200
armed conflict definition, who's, I guess he maybe knows a lot more about this.

6518
06:05:59,200 --> 06:06:03,440
It means that you're responding in a way that is not grandly larger than the initial attack.

6519
06:06:03,440 --> 06:06:06,000
The overall... In other words, if you punch me in the face, I can't shoot you.

6520
06:06:07,120 --> 06:06:11,920
Proportionality has to do with the number of... It's collateral damage.

6521
06:06:13,760 --> 06:06:15,840
Yes, but this is different means of killing people.

6522
06:06:16,720 --> 06:06:18,640
But I'm just wondering if you're not talking about punch in the face, you're talking about

6523
06:06:18,640 --> 06:06:21,040
is it legitimate? Killing people's kids. There's nothing to do with it.

6524
06:06:21,040 --> 06:06:23,040
That's okay, because... We were at war with the whole country.

6525
06:06:23,040 --> 06:06:26,640
And it ended the war. Yes, Japan was at war with the United States and the United Kingdom.

6526
06:06:26,640 --> 06:06:29,120
So if another nation says they're war with us, it's okay to kill our kids?

6527
06:06:30,160 --> 06:06:31,600
We don't want to be war with other nations.

6528
06:06:31,600 --> 06:06:32,640
No, I'm asking an abstract question.

6529
06:06:35,120 --> 06:06:38,480
Japan had attacked the United States, had started a war.

6530
06:06:38,480 --> 06:06:39,600
Why not kill the people who started the war?

6531
06:06:39,600 --> 06:06:44,480
And what we did in the end, we... The Japanese Prime Minister tried to put suicide,

6532
06:06:44,480 --> 06:06:45,680
and we spent ages getting back to...

6533
06:06:45,680 --> 06:06:48,720
We also felt tens of thousands of children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and you're saying...

6534
06:06:49,920 --> 06:06:51,760
Bro, what are we doing here?

6535
06:06:51,760 --> 06:06:54,800
Well, I think it was justified. I think the use of nuclear weapons at the end of the...

6536
06:06:54,800 --> 06:06:58,160
What you're saying is a question is, yes, it is okay to kill children who did nothing.

6537
06:06:58,160 --> 06:06:59,200
It was a proportionate response.

6538
06:06:59,200 --> 06:07:00,560
Do you feel that that is a Christian position?

6539
06:07:00,560 --> 06:07:01,120
Yes.

6540
06:07:01,120 --> 06:07:03,040
I think it meets Aquinas' conditions of adjustable.

6541
06:07:03,680 --> 06:07:04,080
Really?

6542
06:07:04,080 --> 06:07:04,720
Has any...

6543
06:07:04,720 --> 06:07:09,280
Wasn't the big reason that we threw the nukes down, because the alternative was going to be

6544
06:07:09,280 --> 06:07:12,400
a land invasion, which was going to kill genuinely millions of people?

6545
06:07:15,520 --> 06:07:16,880
I think that's why we did the first one.

6546
06:07:18,720 --> 06:07:22,080
The second one was... I don't need to go back and check. I don't know why.

6547
06:07:22,080 --> 06:07:23,200
The second one might have just been like...

6548
06:07:24,000 --> 06:07:24,960
Because we didn't give a fuck.

6549
06:07:25,920 --> 06:07:27,680
The first one was a fear of a ground invasion.

6550
06:07:27,680 --> 06:07:28,880
I don't... I would have to go back and...

6551
06:07:29,600 --> 06:07:30,880
That's the thing I would have to really take through.

6552
06:07:30,880 --> 06:07:31,120
Yeah.

6553
06:07:31,120 --> 06:07:34,080
Because there are obviously different people with different theories or ideas about it now.

6554
06:07:36,400 --> 06:07:39,040
Linus confirmed that?

6555
06:07:39,040 --> 06:07:40,640
Have there been any people's statements saying,

6556
06:07:40,640 --> 06:07:42,480
"Yes, under certain circumstances it's okay to kill other people's kids?"

6557
06:07:42,480 --> 06:07:45,680
The church has preached for absentions that our conditions have adjustable.

6558
06:07:46,400 --> 06:07:48,880
I don't think there's any statements since 1945 from the Catholic.

6559
06:07:48,880 --> 06:07:50,000
So, you're not an expert, but you are.

6560
06:07:50,000 --> 06:07:50,960
So you tell me...

6561
06:07:50,960 --> 06:07:53,760
As a Catholic, you think that the church is endorsing killing people's kids.

6562
06:07:53,760 --> 06:07:54,720
Since 1945, there's...

6563
06:07:54,720 --> 06:07:57,600
I'm sorry. I'm not retarded, right? Hold on.

6564
06:07:57,600 --> 06:07:58,560
The crusades and all of that.

6565
06:07:58,560 --> 06:07:59,920
That was the Catholic church, right?

6566
06:08:01,280 --> 06:08:02,720
Were children killed during that?

6567
06:08:03,280 --> 06:08:03,600
Hello?

6568
06:08:04,880 --> 06:08:07,280
Like, literally by the fucking church, right?

6569
06:08:08,320 --> 06:08:09,360
I imagine there were...

6570
06:08:09,360 --> 06:08:10,240
No, I don't remember.

6571
06:08:10,240 --> 06:08:13,040
I didn't say the crusades, because nobody knows what the fuck happened in Europe from the years

6572
06:08:13,040 --> 06:08:14,480
1,000 to fucking 1,500.

6573
06:08:14,480 --> 06:08:15,360
Who the fuck cares?

6574
06:08:16,320 --> 06:08:18,640
They call them the Dark Ages for a reason, because nobody gives a fuck,

6575
06:08:18,640 --> 06:08:22,000
but I'm pretty sure they're probably where kids killed my guests in this.

6576
06:08:22,000 --> 06:08:23,440
That'd be my guess, okay? I could be wrong.

6577
06:08:26,160 --> 06:08:30,800
There's a Catholic, you think the church is endorsing killing people's kids.

6578
06:08:30,800 --> 06:08:32,640
Since 1945, there's only been one explicitly...

6579
06:08:33,360 --> 06:08:34,880
It's Catholic, it literally tells...

6580
06:08:34,880 --> 06:08:36,560
Didn't God tell Joe to kill his kid?

6581
06:08:36,560 --> 06:08:37,360
Damn.

6582
06:08:37,360 --> 06:08:39,120
By the hell you say? By the fact, Holy Father.

6583
06:08:40,800 --> 06:08:45,200
I guess the question is, if you are willing to kill non-combatants who committed no crime,

6584
06:08:45,200 --> 06:08:48,480
if you're willing to murder the innocent, then in what sense are you better than the people you were fighting?

6585
06:08:49,840 --> 06:08:50,960
That once a war...

6586
06:08:50,960 --> 06:08:52,160
Wow, both sides true.

6587
06:08:52,720 --> 06:08:53,920
This is so retarded.

6588
06:08:53,920 --> 06:08:55,360
I can't believe people listen to this shit.

6589
06:08:55,360 --> 06:08:57,760
Oh my fucking God, and Joe Rogan I was by God, he's a genius.

6590
06:08:57,760 --> 06:08:58,400
He's engaged with...

6591
06:08:58,400 --> 06:08:59,440
The whole point of what I'm talking about,

6592
06:08:59,440 --> 06:09:01,120
get back to the eight part of your question.

6593
06:09:01,120 --> 06:09:03,360
I will come after it, because it's to avoid war.

6594
06:09:03,360 --> 06:09:05,040
And you avoid war by being strong.

6595
06:09:05,040 --> 06:09:07,920
Once you're in war, you are justified in winning the war.

6596
06:09:07,920 --> 06:09:09,280
You can behave like an animal when war starts.

6597
06:09:09,280 --> 06:09:12,400
And if the risk to you is sufficient, you can use nuclear weapons.

6598
06:09:12,400 --> 06:09:14,000
I think that is morally justifiable.

6599
06:09:14,000 --> 06:09:17,200
I mean, even leaving aside the details of America's use of those Obama's,

6600
06:09:17,200 --> 06:09:18,240
there was no risk to the United States.

6601
06:09:18,240 --> 06:09:21,280
Japan was in no condition to invade the United States and it never put troops on a shores.

6602
06:09:21,280 --> 06:09:22,240
So there wasn't a risk to the United States.

6603
06:09:22,240 --> 06:09:23,280
It attacked you, but it wasn't likely to put...

6604
06:09:23,280 --> 06:09:24,560
It attacked a territory, right?

6605
06:09:24,560 --> 06:09:25,520
Well, it attacked the state.

6606
06:09:27,200 --> 06:09:28,080
It was not a state.

6607
06:09:28,080 --> 06:09:28,560
It wasn't a state.

6608
06:09:28,560 --> 06:09:29,600
I don't think it was a state yet, but it was...

6609
06:09:29,600 --> 06:09:31,360
I mean, they blew up our dudes.

6610
06:09:31,360 --> 06:09:32,240
Then they of course were quite right.

6611
06:09:32,240 --> 06:09:33,520
In December 14th, but the point is,

6612
06:09:33,520 --> 06:09:36,240
we were not at risk from an invasion by Japan in any sense.

6613
06:09:36,240 --> 06:09:37,040
Okay, it was a defeated nation.

6614
06:09:37,040 --> 06:09:38,160
We already firebombed Tokyo.

6615
06:09:38,160 --> 06:09:38,640
Yes.

6616
06:09:38,640 --> 06:09:40,160
Multiple times, and I'm like 20, so I have a sense.

6617
06:09:40,160 --> 06:09:44,400
That's where... Do you think the firebombed Tokyo was justified?

6618
06:09:44,400 --> 06:09:45,440
I don't think killing the innocent is ever justified under any circumstances.

6619
06:09:45,440 --> 06:09:46,880
And I think the basis of Western civil...

6620
06:09:50,480 --> 06:09:53,440
Asian is justice for the individual.

6621
06:09:53,440 --> 06:09:56,080
I believe that blood-gilting group punishment are unethical to our entire civilization.

6622
06:09:56,080 --> 06:09:56,880
They're the things we fight against.

6623
06:09:56,880 --> 06:09:58,160
That's why the gulag was wrong.

6624
06:09:58,160 --> 06:09:59,680
That's what happening in Gaza is wrong.

6625
06:09:59,680 --> 06:09:59,920
It's...

6626
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:01,600
always wrong to kill people who did nothing wrong.

6627
06:10:01,600 --> 06:10:03,400
And if we don't think that, then on what basis

6628
06:10:03,400 --> 06:10:04,960
are we administering our own justice systems?

6629
06:10:04,960 --> 06:10:06,600
That takes such exquisite care to punish only the guilty.

6630
06:10:06,600 --> 06:10:08,000
I don't even understand what you're saying.

6631
06:10:08,000 --> 06:10:09,200
- Oh my God.

6632
06:10:09,200 --> 06:10:11,160
- I think it's very difficult to fulfill the Second World War

6633
06:10:11,160 --> 06:10:12,480
without innocent people being killed.

6634
06:10:12,480 --> 06:10:13,320
- I don't know what tried.

6635
06:10:13,320 --> 06:10:14,880
But maybe, I never understood why fight the Second World War

6636
06:10:14,880 --> 06:10:15,720
in the first place.

6637
06:10:15,720 --> 06:10:17,560
(laughing)

6638
06:10:17,560 --> 06:10:21,040
- Remember, rules for me, but not for the...

6639
06:10:21,040 --> 06:10:22,760
Everyone else can act however they want, okay?

6640
06:10:22,760 --> 06:10:24,600
They can do whatever they want, but we can never act ever.

6641
06:10:24,600 --> 06:10:26,240
And anyway, ever.

6642
06:10:26,240 --> 06:10:28,120
- Well, that's a very fundamental question.

6643
06:10:28,120 --> 06:10:29,320
- How about the First World War?

6644
06:10:29,320 --> 06:10:30,160
- Well, let's take the Second World War.

6645
06:10:30,160 --> 06:10:31,000
- No, let's start with the First World War.

6646
06:10:31,000 --> 06:10:31,840
- Let's start with the First World War War.

6647
06:10:31,840 --> 06:10:33,240
- The seats just never wants to do any...

6648
06:10:33,240 --> 06:10:35,280
- Second, the Second World War,

6649
06:10:35,280 --> 06:10:37,200
Hitler would have taken as much as he could have done.

6650
06:10:37,200 --> 06:10:38,080
As he was shoving.

6651
06:10:38,080 --> 06:10:39,200
And did you really want him to...

6652
06:10:39,200 --> 06:10:42,440
- Well, Hitler said that 15% of Poland was once Germany,

6653
06:10:42,440 --> 06:10:44,640
and it was given to Poland at the Treaty of Versailles.

6654
06:10:44,640 --> 06:10:46,000
That was German territory, which I said, that was his case.

6655
06:10:46,000 --> 06:10:46,840
And by the way, that was true.

6656
06:10:46,840 --> 06:10:47,680
- Exactly.

6657
06:10:47,680 --> 06:10:48,520
- And I have to accept the Polish borders

6658
06:10:48,520 --> 06:10:49,360
have been cut out by...

6659
06:10:49,360 --> 06:10:50,200
- I'm not here to try to do it.

6660
06:10:50,200 --> 06:10:52,280
I'm just saying, oh my God.

6661
06:10:52,280 --> 06:10:53,480
- Much as he could have done.

6662
06:10:53,480 --> 06:10:54,440
As he was shoving.

6663
06:10:54,440 --> 06:11:00,720
- And did you really want him to say...

6664
06:11:00,720 --> 06:11:05,760
- Well, Hitler said that 15% of Poland was once Germany,

6665
06:11:05,760 --> 06:11:07,360
and it was given to Poland at the Treaty of Versailles.

6666
06:11:07,360 --> 06:11:09,360
That was German territory, which I said, that was his case.

6667
06:11:09,360 --> 06:11:10,440
- And by the way, that was true.

6668
06:11:10,440 --> 06:11:12,440
- Except to accept the Polish borders had been cut out by...

6669
06:11:12,440 --> 06:11:13,440
- I'm not here to try to do anything else.

6670
06:11:13,440 --> 06:11:16,440
- I'm just saying, the idea that Hitler just randomly rolled into Poland.

6671
06:11:16,440 --> 06:11:17,440
- Nothing is random.

6672
06:11:17,440 --> 06:11:19,440
Causality only begins with your opponents' actions.

6673
06:11:19,440 --> 06:11:21,440
Every single time for these fucking losers.

6674
06:11:21,440 --> 06:11:22,440
He said it before too.

6675
06:11:22,440 --> 06:11:23,440
The Israel-Palestinian people fucking do it as well.

6676
06:11:23,440 --> 06:11:27,440
7, 48, 47, 1880, 70 AD.

6677
06:11:27,440 --> 06:11:28,440
When you want to start history.

6678
06:11:28,440 --> 06:11:30,440
Causality always starts with the other guy.

6679
06:11:30,440 --> 06:11:32,440
He hit me, and then I hit him.

6680
06:11:32,440 --> 06:11:34,440
So I had to hit him, right?

6681
06:11:34,440 --> 06:11:35,440
And then that's it.

6682
06:11:35,440 --> 06:11:37,440
And they never look at what was the thing right before that.

6683
06:11:37,440 --> 06:11:38,440
What was the thing right before that?

6684
06:11:38,440 --> 06:11:39,440
What was the thing right before that?

6685
06:11:39,440 --> 06:11:40,440
It's always just where they want to start.

6686
06:11:40,440 --> 06:11:41,440
It's so arbitrary.

6687
06:11:41,440 --> 06:11:42,440
- There's a lie.

6688
06:11:42,440 --> 06:11:43,440
- I'm sorry.

6689
06:11:43,440 --> 06:11:44,440
- And everyone believes it because they don't think about it.

6690
06:11:44,440 --> 06:11:45,440
- My bad.

6691
06:11:45,440 --> 06:11:46,440
That's not true.

6692
06:11:46,440 --> 06:11:47,440
It's not arbitrary.

6693
06:11:47,440 --> 06:11:48,440
It's intentionally chosen so that they are always the one who can

6694
06:11:48,440 --> 06:11:49,440
manufacture the justification for whatever argument they want to make.

6695
06:11:49,440 --> 06:11:51,440
Instead of taking an honest accounting of what's going on.

6696
06:11:51,440 --> 06:11:53,440
- It's a proctor and not sure.

6697
06:11:53,440 --> 06:11:54,440
- Like he's saying that, well, it used to be German territory, which is true.

6698
06:11:54,440 --> 06:11:55,440
Why did they lose it?

6699
06:11:55,440 --> 06:11:56,440
Why did they lose it?

6700
06:11:56,440 --> 06:11:59,440
Because they lost to World War I because our empire fucking collapsed.

6701
06:11:59,440 --> 06:12:00,440
- The Germans said that was his case.

6702
06:12:00,440 --> 06:12:01,440
By the way, that was true.

6703
06:12:01,440 --> 06:12:03,440
- Except the pailish borders had been cut off by...

6704
06:12:03,440 --> 06:12:04,440
- I'm not here.

6705
06:12:04,440 --> 06:12:05,440
- I'm not sure.

6706
06:12:05,440 --> 06:12:08,440
- I'm just saying the idea that Hitler just randomly rolled into Poland is a lie.

6707
06:12:08,440 --> 06:12:10,440
- No one says it's random though.

6708
06:12:10,440 --> 06:12:12,440
- Everyone believes it because they don't think about the actual facts.

6709
06:12:12,440 --> 06:12:14,440
- Oh my God.

6710
06:12:14,440 --> 06:12:19,440
- But the truth is Germany had big pieces of it carved off in Queen Part of Prussia and was given to this other country of period of the Germans.

6711
06:12:19,440 --> 06:12:20,440
Maybe it showed enough, but it did.

6712
06:12:20,440 --> 06:12:21,440
- And that was a justification for it.

6713
06:12:21,440 --> 06:12:22,440
- Where did the German Empire come from?

6714
06:12:22,440 --> 06:12:23,440
Where did they get there?

6715
06:12:23,440 --> 06:12:26,440
Where did all their land come from?

6716
06:12:26,440 --> 06:12:30,440
I forget, did they spawn in for the Germany, the whole Empire, the Germanic Empire?

6717
06:12:30,440 --> 06:12:36,440
Did they just spawn in with all of that territory under some single unified Weimar state or whatever?

6718
06:12:36,440 --> 06:12:38,440
Was that all just a thing that just spawned?

6719
06:12:38,440 --> 06:12:39,440
It was God-granted?

6720
06:12:39,440 --> 06:12:42,440
- The UK had nothing to do with it at all.

6721
06:12:42,440 --> 06:12:43,440
- We have a piece of it.

6722
06:12:43,440 --> 06:12:46,440
- And they destroyed their empire in their country fighting this war that they still pretend was a good idea, but it wasn't.

6723
06:12:46,440 --> 06:12:47,440
- It was fundamental.

6724
06:12:47,440 --> 06:12:49,440
It was the classic good versus evil.

6725
06:12:49,440 --> 06:12:50,440
Has the UK benefited from it?

6726
06:12:50,440 --> 06:12:51,440
- We did the right thing.

6727
06:12:51,440 --> 06:12:52,440
- Is it a better country than it was?

6728
06:12:52,440 --> 06:12:53,440
- To have defeated Hitler, yes.

6729
06:12:53,440 --> 06:12:54,440
- So the UK is a better country now?

6730
06:12:54,440 --> 06:12:55,440
It's a healthier country now?

6731
06:12:55,440 --> 06:12:57,440
- No, that's what we're speaking German.

6732
06:12:57,440 --> 06:12:58,440
- Who cares?

6733
06:12:58,440 --> 06:13:05,440
- Like, what do you care about at all?

6734
06:13:05,440 --> 06:13:08,440
- There are a lot of people in Britain who can't speak English.

6735
06:13:08,440 --> 06:13:11,440
So it would be nice to have, like, at least a European language spoken in their country.

6736
06:13:11,440 --> 06:13:13,440
- No, I've just seen that one speaking German.

6737
06:13:13,440 --> 06:13:15,440
- It's such an American take too.

6738
06:13:15,440 --> 06:13:17,440
Oh my God, dude.

6739
06:13:17,440 --> 06:13:19,440
- I can't.

6740
06:13:19,440 --> 06:13:22,440
- So it would be nice to have, like, at least a European language spoken in your country.

6741
06:13:22,440 --> 06:13:24,440
- No, I've just seen that one speaking German over any other language.

6742
06:13:24,440 --> 06:13:26,440
We won't speak English, thanks so much.

6743
06:13:26,440 --> 06:13:32,440
- A war should benefit, if a war is fought with the children of your citizens, which it is, then that war should benefit those citizens.

6744
06:13:32,440 --> 06:13:33,440
- And it did benefit.

6745
06:13:33,440 --> 06:13:34,440
- In what ways?

6746
06:13:34,440 --> 06:13:35,440
- It benefited this country.

6747
06:13:35,440 --> 06:13:36,440
- Can you tell me how?

6748
06:13:36,440 --> 06:13:38,440
- But as I said to you, otherwise Germany would eventually have invaded us.

6749
06:13:38,440 --> 06:13:39,440
- We've had 80 years to assess.

6750
06:13:39,440 --> 06:13:40,440
Tell me the benefits.

6751
06:13:40,440 --> 06:13:43,440
Now, sitting 80 years later as the grandson of certain people who fought in that war, I am.

6752
06:13:43,440 --> 06:13:46,440
- Well, my grandfather's two altitudes in the first world war, one second world war, my father's too young.

6753
06:13:46,440 --> 06:13:50,440
- How do you even know how you, like, what?

6754
06:13:54,440 --> 06:13:55,440
- Go off, King.

6755
06:13:55,440 --> 06:13:59,440
- Well, it's just like such an unbelievably fucking stupid question.

6756
06:13:59,440 --> 06:14:01,440
Like, how do you even do the counterfactual here?

6757
06:14:01,440 --> 06:14:06,440
Is the assumption that if Germany would have controlled everything, that, well, that is the assumption that they would be somehow better off,

6758
06:14:06,440 --> 06:14:08,440
because they would have, what, less immigrants?

6759
06:14:08,440 --> 06:14:11,440
Or what, like, what is the, such a stupid fucking...

6760
06:14:11,440 --> 06:14:12,440
- You've sort of missed Federation.

6761
06:14:12,440 --> 06:14:19,440
- I'm saying now that we've had it, and as it is a lover of history, why don't you tell me the ways in which Britain benefited from the Middle East air quotes here,

6762
06:14:19,440 --> 06:14:20,440
winning the Second World War?

6763
06:14:20,440 --> 06:14:22,440
Because from my perspective, it looks like the Empire...

6764
06:14:22,440 --> 06:14:23,440
- It's on video.

6765
06:14:23,440 --> 06:14:25,440
Why would he say he's using air quotes instead of just using air quotes?

6766
06:14:25,440 --> 06:14:26,440
Whoops.

6767
06:14:26,440 --> 06:14:27,440
Why don't I just use air quotes?

6768
06:14:27,440 --> 06:14:30,440
- Britain benefited from the Middle East air quotes here, winning the Second World War.

6769
06:14:30,440 --> 06:14:32,440
Because from my perspective, it looks like the Empire ended.

6770
06:14:32,440 --> 06:14:33,440
India was lost two years later.

6771
06:14:33,440 --> 06:14:35,440
The United States took over the world, and has had troops here ever since.

6772
06:14:35,440 --> 06:14:36,440
- Yes.

6773
06:14:36,440 --> 06:14:37,440
- You lost your sovereignty and your self respect.

6774
06:14:37,440 --> 06:14:38,440
- And you lost your sovereignty.

6775
06:14:38,440 --> 06:14:40,440
- When we saw the country...

6776
06:14:40,440 --> 06:14:43,440
- We certainly didn't lose our self respect over winning the war.

6777
06:14:43,440 --> 06:14:45,440
But in terms of self respect, that's a rather ethereal benefit.

6778
06:14:45,440 --> 06:14:48,440
Our self respect was hugely maintained by defeating the greatest evil in the world's name.

6779
06:14:48,440 --> 06:14:49,440
- Then why would you allow...

6780
06:14:49,440 --> 06:14:53,440
- Then why would you allow an even greater evil, the United States of America, to put up bases here?

6781
06:14:53,440 --> 06:14:54,440
- Foreign troops on your soil ever since.

6782
06:14:54,440 --> 06:14:56,440
- Because we wanted to stop the Russians.

6783
06:14:56,440 --> 06:14:59,440
- Okay, but I mean, it's kind of a prerequisite of sovereignty and self respect.

6784
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:07,000
back not to foreign soldiers on your soil for eighty years

6785
06:15:07,320 --> 06:15:10,080
but the german foreign soldiers wouldn't have been well no because it

6786
06:15:10,080 --> 06:15:12,400
would just been one giant country of germany i guess

6787
06:15:12,400 --> 06:15:13,400
record

6788
06:15:13,400 --> 06:15:16,360
you know that i was in a together for whatever you want to be a foreigners on

6789
06:15:16,360 --> 06:15:17,800
your soil they're very welcome here

6790
06:15:17,800 --> 06:15:20,440
i know there's a part of that but that part of defending

6791
06:15:20,440 --> 06:15:23,880
uh... or shared interest it is it's like a four-year-old to be with the world

6792
06:15:23,880 --> 06:15:26,600
this might be the dumbest fucking thirty five minutes of

6793
06:15:26,600 --> 06:15:30,480
opining on international politics over my entire life this whole thing is like

6794
06:15:30,480 --> 06:15:33,560
mean after me after me in a stupid fucking statements having our shared

6795
06:15:33,560 --> 06:15:34,160
interest

6796
06:15:34,160 --> 06:15:36,800
is the nation's state and maintaining its integrity and not having people

6797
06:15:36,800 --> 06:15:39,440
thinking because there was a treaty some hundreds of years ago i don't know

6798
06:15:39,440 --> 06:15:40,800
does this guy realize

6799
06:15:40,800 --> 06:15:44,160
people he's like how fucking what the fuck am i are we talking about right now

6800
06:15:44,160 --> 06:15:46,800
is the nation's state and maintaining its integrity and not having people

6801
06:15:46,800 --> 06:15:49,400
thinking because there was a treaty some hundreds of years ago and Poland

6802
06:15:49,400 --> 06:15:51,540
once had a bit of it that was germany we can now say we're going to take it

6803
06:15:51,540 --> 06:15:54,760
nearly i'm really saying we cannot allow you use the nation's state but it has

6804
06:15:54,760 --> 06:15:57,240
no meaning if the nation's state has no sovereignty this nation's state has

6805
06:15:57,240 --> 06:15:59,680
sovereigns i don't have to have foreign troops on its way we were able to

6806
06:15:59,680 --> 06:16:03,840
um... pull out of your opinion that showed us an exercise in sovereignty you

6807
06:16:03,840 --> 06:16:06,440
i don't know that's all it goes on your side there and i feel so sad about what

6808
06:16:06,440 --> 06:16:09,600
happened but my point is if you don't have sovereignty if you can't make

6809
06:16:09,600 --> 06:16:12,880
decisions that are rooted in the court interest of your own population then

6810
06:16:12,880 --> 06:16:15,280
how are you in nations but we do make interest what if the interest of your

6811
06:16:15,280 --> 06:16:19,240
nation are served by having other people do your defense for you

6812
06:16:19,240 --> 06:16:20,360
is that not sovereign

6813
06:16:20,360 --> 06:16:23,560
you like the u_k_ could just say go away united states troops and i mean we would

6814
06:16:23,560 --> 06:16:26,760
listen right they're like we're leaving nato go like that would happen right

6815
06:16:26,760 --> 06:16:28,840
that's in the core interests of our population we're just telling me that

6816
06:16:28,840 --> 06:16:32,440
you may need to prepare for a war yes on behalf of the territorial integrity of

6817
06:16:32,440 --> 06:16:35,240
Ukraine and why is that in our interest because if the territorial integrity

6818
06:16:35,240 --> 06:16:38,040
of nation states is as is protected there's much less need for us to get a

6819
06:16:38,040 --> 06:16:40,440
walk what about your own territory integrity are you aren't you getting

6820
06:16:40,440 --> 06:16:42,600
invaded by people in boats all the time what are you going to protect your own

6821
06:16:42,600 --> 06:16:44,920
borders oh look i'm not going to disagree with you on that we should

6822
06:16:44,920 --> 06:16:47,560
definitely be much you're not calling for conscription or defense build up

6823
06:16:47,560 --> 06:16:50,040
with 3% of gdp to go to a military response to an invasion of your own

6824
06:16:50,040 --> 06:16:52,520
country i think you can do it without a military response it happens i think

6825
06:16:52,520 --> 06:16:54,280
the rewanda scheme would have worked

6826
06:16:54,280 --> 06:16:57,640
no but why not if you're so willing to commit military force and lives of

6827
06:16:57,640 --> 06:17:00,120
with the defending the green when i came to defending our own country

6828
06:17:00,120 --> 06:17:03,480
because the small vapes is a civil matter rather than military matter

6829
06:17:03,480 --> 06:17:07,000
really what's going on by the way

6830
06:17:07,000 --> 06:17:11,720
sarah polymarket dot u_s_ promo code destiny market on this

6831
06:17:13,320 --> 06:17:17,000
25 percent chance

6832
06:17:17,320 --> 06:17:24,600
that bet me right now mood okay $50 market yeah 25 percent chance that

6833
06:17:24,600 --> 06:17:28,520
either kyle kolinsky or hasan piker will be supporting tucker karlson for

6834
06:17:28,520 --> 06:17:32,600
president in 2028 oh yeah i'll take that it'll be in

6835
06:17:32,600 --> 06:17:37,560
their top threes yeah you have to give me three to one though

6836
06:17:37,560 --> 06:17:41,240
so i'll bet you 50 bucks but if i'm right you're betting against it

6837
06:17:41,240 --> 06:17:46,040
well you give me 150 if i'm right i give you 50 of if you're right on what

6838
06:17:46,040 --> 06:17:49,800
that he will either kyle kolinsky or hasan piker while tucker karlson

6839
06:17:49,800 --> 06:17:51,880
with their top three for who they would support for president

6840
06:17:51,880 --> 06:17:57,560
2028 oh yeah i'll take that okay absolute business

6841
06:17:57,560 --> 06:18:01,080
this of your population is born 19 percent 19 percent what was the

6842
06:18:01,080 --> 06:18:02,920
percentage 20 years ago it was about eight percent okay

6843
06:18:02,920 --> 06:18:05,560
now it was the percentage 40 years ago it was two percent so like

6844
06:18:05,560 --> 06:18:07,960
okay look i think our immigration policies have been catastrophic

6845
06:18:07,960 --> 06:18:10,120
i think we've got it hopelessly wrong but it's not immigration it's an

6846
06:18:10,120 --> 06:18:12,600
invasion um so why not use the military because

6847
06:18:12,600 --> 06:18:15,560
actually the small vapes is not the biggest part of it the biggest part of it

6848
06:18:15,560 --> 06:18:17,720
which is now coming down thankfully but it needs to be reduced much for this

6849
06:18:17,720 --> 06:18:20,200
legal immigration but you've also got the problem of these

6850
06:18:20,200 --> 06:18:23,320
are overstaying which is a massive problem and we don't even know the

6851
06:18:23,320 --> 06:18:25,400
details obviously so you're already admitting that you're not a nation

6852
06:18:25,400 --> 06:18:27,480
state that's not true because you can't control who comes in and out of your

6853
06:18:27,480 --> 06:18:30,120
own no no what i'm saying is that there are failures in the administration

6854
06:18:30,120 --> 06:18:33,160
every country has any nation states on the planet so how do we define nation

6855
06:18:33,160 --> 06:18:35,160
state well let's deal with first point first

6856
06:18:35,160 --> 06:18:37,000
every nation has crime that takes place in it

6857
06:18:37,000 --> 06:18:39,320
this is crime that is taking place in this country this is civilian crime it's

6858
06:18:39,320 --> 06:18:41,960
not military there are things you can do as don trump has shown

6859
06:18:41,960 --> 06:18:45,240
you can get a grip on the new flow of illegal migrants

6860
06:18:45,240 --> 06:18:47,720
it turns out even in america it'd be very difficult to remove the illegal

6861
06:18:47,720 --> 06:18:49,560
migrants who are already there or not even trying

6862
06:18:49,560 --> 06:18:52,040
well they just for the record okay well that's not glad you said that because

6863
06:18:52,040 --> 06:18:55,000
it's not for me to um make any display you guys not alone in lacking self

6864
06:18:55,000 --> 06:18:57,720
respect we're willing us to protect us it doesn't stop you being a nation state

6865
06:18:57,720 --> 06:19:00,280
but we have a serious political problem of immigration which we need to deal with

6866
06:19:00,280 --> 06:19:02,280
and particularly the legal immigration we need to be reporting not just not

6867
06:19:02,280 --> 06:19:04,520
sure what a nation state is because the countries that you have described

6868
06:19:04,520 --> 06:19:06,840
Ukraine specifically which has been completely controlled by nato in the

6869
06:19:06,840 --> 06:19:10,760
united states and the us intel agencies since at least 2015 and we know that

6870
06:19:10,760 --> 06:19:14,760
it's on tape how is that the victorian newland vongol the nation state that's

6871
06:19:14,760 --> 06:19:16,840
proxy state that's a country very large a larger power very

6872
06:19:16,840 --> 06:19:20,840
interestingly i think i think you make a very important point about Ukraine

6873
06:19:20,840 --> 06:19:25,080
um Ukraine was to a significant extent in 2020 still russian speaking

6874
06:19:25,080 --> 06:19:28,280
Putin has created a strong feeling of Ukrainianism

6875
06:19:28,280 --> 06:19:31,400
by his attack important point about Ukraine

6876
06:19:31,400 --> 06:19:35,560
um Ukraine was to a significant extent in 2020 still russian speaking

6877
06:19:35,560 --> 06:19:38,200
i don't know what that means there were a lot of people that spoke russian i think

6878
06:19:38,200 --> 06:19:41,400
Putin has created a strong feeling of Ukrainianism

6879
06:19:41,400 --> 06:19:44,520
by his attack yeah and has strengthened Ukraine as a nation state it's a very

6880
06:19:44,520 --> 06:19:45,960
interesting side effect that may be right but i'm

6881
06:19:45,960 --> 06:19:48,760
merely saying the pretense that Ukraine is this like sovereign

6882
06:19:48,760 --> 06:19:51,560
country when it's controlled by larger powers all

6883
06:19:51,560 --> 06:19:54,120
is grating because really the choices between are Ukraine controlled by the

6884
06:19:54,120 --> 06:19:57,560
east russia or the west the united states that's the choice no one's actually

6885
06:19:57,560 --> 06:19:58,440
suggesting Ukraine should be able to make an

6886
06:19:58,440 --> 06:19:59,960
extension they tried to do that in 2004 by the

6887
06:20:00,000 --> 06:20:04,160
way that was the Ukrainian decision was do we join or do we have a trade deal with the

6888
06:20:04,160 --> 06:20:10,520
European Union or do we get sucked into Russia's trade union that has its own like tariffs

6889
06:20:10,520 --> 06:20:13,980
and you basically have to take like export import controls and policies and shit from

6890
06:20:13,980 --> 06:20:17,600
Russia. That was the choice between the two. So this was the optional table and won't

6891
06:20:17,600 --> 06:20:20,520
be old. People in Ukraine generally wanted the freedom to be able to choose to make their

6892
06:20:20,520 --> 06:20:23,240
own deals with people like the European Union or other countries.

6893
06:20:23,240 --> 06:20:28,480
I don't think that's right. I think that the American interest is in having an independent

6894
06:20:28,480 --> 06:20:31,160
Ukraine that makes its own decisions. Really? What if in Ukraine wanted to link up with

6895
06:20:31,160 --> 06:20:33,040
Russia? Because they have a lot more in common with Russia than they do with most of your

6896
06:20:33,040 --> 06:20:35,640
own. I think under current circumstances, that's extremely unlikely. Yeah. Well, it is

6897
06:20:35,640 --> 06:20:39,640
now. Right. But in 2014 was moving that direction and the US government just kind of

6898
06:20:39,640 --> 06:20:42,400
overthrew the government. Well, you've then got the invasion of Crimea

6899
06:20:42,400 --> 06:20:46,120
at about that time. And so you've got active attack from Russia, which was deeply problematic.

6900
06:20:46,120 --> 06:20:53,480
But I think we're beginning to lose the word for the trees because the world is built

6901
06:20:53,480 --> 06:20:56,740
up. The nation states are the legitimate building

6902
06:20:56,740 --> 06:21:00,760
blocks. They sometimes are badly governed. They are sometimes dicturally governed, but

6903
06:21:00,760 --> 06:21:04,320
nonetheless, they have an inherent legitimacy. If you don't believe in the nation state,

6904
06:21:04,320 --> 06:21:07,120
what do you replace it with? I don't believe in the nation. So I don't believe in NATO.

6905
06:21:07,120 --> 06:21:09,580
So we agree. We agree on that. So how is NATO consistent with your concept

6906
06:21:09,580 --> 06:21:12,000
of the nation state? Here you have a super up because you national

6907
06:21:12,000 --> 06:21:16,080
organization is joining it because you can set to join it. NATO is by far and way the

6908
06:21:16,080 --> 06:21:20,920
best super national organization because it is a voluntary degree with no ability to

6909
06:21:20,920 --> 06:21:26,640
compel. So the nation state retains its nation state capability within NATO. It's not like

6910
06:21:26,640 --> 06:21:30,760
the European Union or the international criminal court, any of these things which seek to override

6911
06:21:30,760 --> 06:21:34,120
your sovereignty by a higher sovereignty. NATO requires the cooperation of states within

6912
06:21:34,120 --> 06:21:38,320
a structure, but they are always individual nation states, except when you're at war,

6913
06:21:38,320 --> 06:21:41,720
when you agree that your troops may be commanded by an ally, but we've agreed to the command

6914
06:21:41,720 --> 06:21:45,800
of troops by allies in wartime long before we had NATO.

6915
06:21:45,800 --> 06:21:49,560
So that's the norm of international affairs. I mean, you still give up your own sovereignty

6916
06:21:49,560 --> 06:21:52,280
because you wind up in a place where you're like, you know, really, we have to defend

6917
06:21:52,280 --> 06:21:59,280
it. Because as I've even discussed earlier, it's crainer, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

6918
06:21:59,280 --> 06:22:05,160
cranes on a NATO, you fucking retard. But I'm saying I'm aware of that. I know you are.

6919
06:22:05,160 --> 06:22:10,480
You don't get a blind one. You get asked to ask who five is not. No, I understand that.

6920
06:22:10,480 --> 06:22:13,240
And that's that's important. Like we just let's just read and circumfence here. I just

6921
06:22:13,240 --> 06:22:17,160
want to tell you about our previous conversation, which is how specifically did the UK benefit

6922
06:22:17,160 --> 06:22:20,160
from its heroic victory in the Second World War? What are the material or spiritual benefits?

6923
06:22:20,160 --> 06:22:23,280
Like, how do you see this country as better than it was in 1945?

6924
06:22:23,280 --> 06:22:28,920
Well, I think if you think of it in terms of peace, that has now been peace in Europe

6925
06:22:28,920 --> 06:22:32,200
between the major nations since 19. You know what he should say? How do we benefit? We

6926
06:22:32,200 --> 06:22:37,520
won the Cold War. That's how we benefit it. Do we think that a German run first world

6927
06:22:37,520 --> 06:22:40,920
would have defeated the Soviet Union in terms of Cold War stuff?

6928
06:22:40,920 --> 06:22:45,240
In '45. And in the history of the UK, our prosperity has always depended upon peace.

6929
06:22:45,240 --> 06:22:49,160
So is this a richer country than it was in 1940? Much richer, materially, much richer.

6930
06:22:49,160 --> 06:22:56,960
But in 1945, didn't you guys have tea and biscuits for everybody? I don't even know.

6931
06:22:56,960 --> 06:22:59,720
I don't even know how I could possibly justify this. He's going to say some retarded shit

6932
06:22:59,720 --> 06:23:05,120
I know he is. A GDP and blame immigrants from 1945. What was the unemployment rate in 1945?

6933
06:23:05,120 --> 06:23:09,200
Well, of course. That's an unfair question. I agree with that. But we've got much more

6934
06:23:09,200 --> 06:23:13,240
well found. When they killed hundreds of thousands of people were dead. I'm saying we've got

6935
06:23:13,240 --> 06:23:17,520
no problems. But how's our GDP rate in real terms? It's not a bit of national strength

6936
06:23:17,520 --> 06:23:20,600
or prosperity at all. What do you want to measure it with? Ask him. Ask Tucker. What

6937
06:23:20,600 --> 06:23:24,200
do you want to use to measure it with? Of course not. It's a measurement of money.

6938
06:23:24,200 --> 06:23:27,960
It doesn't account for where it goes. It's not a measurement of money. That's not true.

6939
06:23:27,960 --> 06:23:33,680
Ed, we are better housed. We have conveniences that went in thought of in 1945. Happiness

6940
06:23:33,680 --> 06:23:37,560
is a different concept. So is that right? Higher lower. It's much higher. Well, that

6941
06:23:37,560 --> 06:23:41,680
actually depends. The thing about suicide is that it depends on the reporting of the

6942
06:23:41,680 --> 06:23:45,760
rate. In 1945, there's much more stigma around suicide. And therefore, people were much more

6943
06:23:45,760 --> 06:23:50,200
likely to... Who is a Christian country now? It's mostly atheist country. Yes, I think

6944
06:23:50,200 --> 06:23:54,760
that's great tragedy. But the point is... I mean, do you want to piss to pale in? But you

6945
06:23:54,760 --> 06:23:57,320
don't believe in half things to piss to pale in church now, it says? I don't believe in

6946
06:23:57,320 --> 06:24:01,260
witchcraft. No, no, no. I'm out on that. You want to come over to Rome? Well, I certainly

6947
06:24:01,260 --> 06:24:05,200
believe in Rome's position on murdering innocence. I'm totally opposed. So I admire that. I think

6948
06:24:05,200 --> 06:24:09,000
I admire that. I admire that. I think that in the womb or in Hiroshima. I think the killing

6949
06:24:09,000 --> 06:24:11,520
of the unborn child is the greatest tragedy of the West. But you, bottom line, think I

6950
06:24:11,520 --> 06:24:15,280
just want to get this on tape. You think the UK is a stronger, better country now than

6951
06:24:15,280 --> 06:24:19,600
it was? In 1945, yes, I do. I think we have all sorts of problems. I think we have bad

6952
06:24:19,600 --> 06:24:22,840
governments. I think immigration has been terribly badly handled. I think we have too

6953
06:24:22,840 --> 06:24:27,040
much state control. But, of course, in 1945, we have masses of state control. And I think

6954
06:24:27,040 --> 06:24:30,200
there are huge ways in which we can improve the country. But are we a better country in

6955
06:24:30,200 --> 06:24:33,200
1945? Are we a better country for the fact that we defeated Nazis? And yes, I think Hitler

6956
06:24:33,200 --> 06:24:36,680
was one of the great evils the world ever saw. And it was a good thing to ensure that that

6957
06:24:36,680 --> 06:24:39,760
was destroyed because it would have destroyed us. Yeah, I'm against the Nazis, against Hitler.

6958
06:24:39,760 --> 06:24:43,280
Jesus Christ, give me the fact. You remember when you brought up the Tucker Carlton 1.9

6959
06:24:43,280 --> 06:24:50,460
NBA? Yeah. Look at this. Oh, a DJ gear ripped my DJ gear ripped it. And now he's getting

6960
06:24:50,460 --> 06:24:57,040
all that karma, 222 comment. What the fuck? I checked his thing. That's a DJ. He's posted

6961
06:24:57,040 --> 06:25:00,020
in our desk. And he's a DJ gear. Yeah, he is.

6962
06:25:00,000 --> 06:25:03,000
- Copying Destiny investment pay.

6963
06:25:03,000 --> 06:25:04,640
I'm just going to follow Big Brain Destiny investment strategy,

6964
06:25:04,640 --> 06:25:05,480
whatever it is.

6965
06:25:05,480 --> 06:25:06,320
(laughing)

6966
06:25:06,320 --> 06:25:07,360
- True.

6967
06:25:07,360 --> 06:25:08,200
- Hell yeah.

6968
06:25:08,200 --> 06:25:09,400
- Very good business.

6969
06:25:09,400 --> 06:25:12,660
- And now he's following my investment strategy for Karma.

6970
06:25:12,660 --> 06:25:15,080
- Well, I don't think it was a good thing for you at all,

6971
06:25:15,080 --> 06:25:15,920
but you know, I don't think so.

6972
06:25:15,920 --> 06:25:16,760
I'll leave it to you.

6973
06:25:16,760 --> 06:25:18,960
- I don't think you'd mentioned touched on India.

6974
06:25:18,960 --> 06:25:21,000
I think it was very unlikely that we would have kept India

6975
06:25:21,000 --> 06:25:22,360
much longer anyway.

6976
06:25:22,360 --> 06:25:23,200
- Because the First World War.

6977
06:25:23,200 --> 06:25:24,040
- India was gay.

6978
06:25:24,040 --> 06:25:25,080
The First World War is a different question.

6979
06:25:25,080 --> 06:25:26,600
- Okay, so without even getting into all of this,

6980
06:25:26,600 --> 06:25:28,960
I'm just trying to get to the core question here,

6981
06:25:28,960 --> 06:25:30,300
which is, is it worth it?

6982
06:25:30,300 --> 06:25:31,140
So Britain.

6983
06:25:31,140 --> 06:25:32,680
- Without getting into any of the facts,

6984
06:25:32,680 --> 06:25:34,120
or without any of the history,

6985
06:25:34,120 --> 06:25:35,640
or without any of the things that like,

6986
06:25:35,640 --> 06:25:37,280
actually happened or impact us today,

6987
06:25:37,280 --> 06:25:38,320
or without any measurements,

6988
06:25:38,320 --> 06:25:40,240
actually concrete measurements of doing better worse,

6989
06:25:40,240 --> 06:25:41,680
without getting any of that.

6990
06:25:41,680 --> 06:25:44,480
Can we just please focus on the vibes, man?

6991
06:25:44,480 --> 06:25:46,800
Can we please just talk about the vibes?

6992
06:25:46,800 --> 06:25:49,320
- Lost, I think, just in deaths in the Second World War.

6993
06:25:49,320 --> 06:25:50,160
- I think.

6994
06:25:50,160 --> 06:25:51,000
- 40, 450,000 maybe.

6995
06:25:51,000 --> 06:25:51,840
- But let me,

6996
06:25:51,840 --> 06:25:53,880
the point you've really challenged me on,

6997
06:25:53,880 --> 06:25:56,520
is the idea that being prepared to terse war.

6998
06:25:56,520 --> 06:26:00,400
The experience of the UK in 1914 and in 1939,

6999
06:26:00,400 --> 06:26:02,360
was that because we were thought to be soft,

7000
06:26:02,360 --> 06:26:03,760
our enemy didn't take us seriously.

7001
06:26:03,760 --> 06:26:04,600
- You joined both of those wars.

7002
06:26:04,600 --> 06:26:05,680
You were not attacked in either war.

7003
06:26:05,680 --> 06:26:07,320
- We joined both of those wars.

7004
06:26:07,320 --> 06:26:08,160
- What are you even talking about?

7005
06:26:08,160 --> 06:26:10,600
- The Kaiser knew that that was the guarantee to Belgium,

7006
06:26:10,600 --> 06:26:11,800
and he thought the British wouldn't do anything about it.

7007
06:26:11,800 --> 06:26:12,640
He thought we weren't interested.

7008
06:26:12,640 --> 06:26:13,480
We would not do anything.

7009
06:26:13,480 --> 06:26:14,320
- So you went--

7010
06:26:14,320 --> 06:26:18,800
- So we unfortunately, our enemy in 1914 and in 1939,

7011
06:26:18,800 --> 06:26:20,280
on both occasions, thought we were weak,

7012
06:26:20,280 --> 06:26:22,320
and a feat, and would cave.

7013
06:26:22,320 --> 06:26:24,640
And therefore, felt it was free to--

7014
06:26:24,640 --> 06:26:25,480
- So you're saying--

7015
06:26:25,480 --> 06:26:26,960
- To protect Belgium, it was worth--

7016
06:26:26,960 --> 06:26:27,800
- No, I didn't--

7017
06:26:27,800 --> 06:26:28,640
- Destroying all over Europe.

7018
06:26:28,640 --> 06:26:29,880
- I'm losing 1.5 million Britons.

7019
06:26:29,880 --> 06:26:30,720
- You don't always listen to--

7020
06:26:30,720 --> 06:26:31,880
- I do, I'm not careful.

7021
06:26:31,880 --> 06:26:34,160
- What I said was that the enemy felt free to invade,

7022
06:26:34,160 --> 06:26:36,360
because we were seen to be weak.

7023
06:26:36,360 --> 06:26:37,840
That's not the same as saying it's the right thing to do.

7024
06:26:37,840 --> 06:26:38,680
- You attacked them?

7025
06:26:38,680 --> 06:26:39,520
They did not attack you.

7026
06:26:39,520 --> 06:26:40,680
- Well, we went to help the French.

7027
06:26:40,680 --> 06:26:41,520
- If we--

7028
06:26:41,520 --> 06:26:42,360
- You attacked them?

7029
06:26:42,360 --> 06:26:43,200
- We had a treaty with Belgium,

7030
06:26:43,200 --> 06:26:44,040
but we went to help the French

7031
06:26:44,040 --> 06:26:45,120
who were falling back remarkably quickly,

7032
06:26:45,120 --> 06:26:45,960
and all the time.

7033
06:26:45,960 --> 06:26:46,800
- You attacked the Germans.

7034
06:26:46,800 --> 06:26:47,640
They did not attack you.

7035
06:26:47,640 --> 06:26:48,840
- They attacked Belgium with whom we had a treaty.

7036
06:26:48,840 --> 06:26:50,000
On their way through to attack France.

7037
06:26:50,000 --> 06:26:56,840
- Well, can't you take a picture to view and answer the question?

7038
06:26:56,840 --> 06:26:58,240
Was it worth losing everything?

7039
06:26:58,240 --> 06:27:00,800
- No, because I'll happily come to that question.

7040
06:27:00,800 --> 06:27:02,320
I'm trying to make a point that you seem to refuse to make,

7041
06:27:02,320 --> 06:27:03,160
but I'm going to make--

7042
06:27:03,160 --> 06:27:05,480
that had we, in 1914, been projecting strength.

7043
06:27:05,480 --> 06:27:07,240
Had the Kaiser thought there was a big British army,

7044
06:27:07,240 --> 06:27:08,640
and the British will take this seriously,

7045
06:27:08,640 --> 06:27:10,440
he would not have gone through Belgium.

7046
06:27:10,440 --> 06:27:11,640
And if he had not gone through Belgium,

7047
06:27:11,640 --> 06:27:12,840
we would not have gone to war.

7048
06:27:12,840 --> 06:27:15,840
And it is the projection of strength that avoids war.

7049
06:27:15,840 --> 06:27:17,080
And this is what we should be doing now.

7050
06:27:17,080 --> 06:27:19,760
We should learn from history that if your enemy thinks you are weak,

7051
06:27:19,760 --> 06:27:20,760
the invasion doesn't take place.

7052
06:27:20,760 --> 06:27:22,480
And if Hitler thought we were strong,

7053
06:27:22,480 --> 06:27:23,480
then Poland would not have been invaded.

7054
06:27:23,480 --> 06:27:25,000
- Hitler did not want to go to war with the UK.

7055
06:27:25,000 --> 06:27:26,000
- He thought we wouldn't do anything about Poland

7056
06:27:26,000 --> 06:27:26,840
as we'd done nothing.

7057
06:27:26,840 --> 06:27:28,200
- Hitler clearly said, I do not want to go to war with the UK.

7058
06:27:28,200 --> 06:27:29,520
- As we announced that.

7059
06:27:29,520 --> 06:27:31,960
- He also famously made an unaggression pact

7060
06:27:31,960 --> 06:27:34,680
with the Soviet Union and got kind of--

7061
06:27:34,680 --> 06:27:36,040
- The thing about Czechoslovakia,

7062
06:27:36,040 --> 06:27:36,880
he thought we'd do nothing about that.

7063
06:27:36,880 --> 06:27:37,960
- He acknowledged that Hitler said repeatedly

7064
06:27:37,960 --> 06:27:38,920
in public and through diplomacy.

7065
06:27:38,920 --> 06:27:39,760
I do not want--

7066
06:27:39,760 --> 06:27:40,920
- You seem to be put more trust in Hitler than I would.

7067
06:27:40,920 --> 06:27:41,760
He said all sorts of things.

7068
06:27:41,760 --> 06:27:42,600
- Just saying he said that.

7069
06:27:42,600 --> 06:27:43,520
- Well, that's what Hitler said.

7070
06:27:43,520 --> 06:27:44,360
- Agreement with--

7071
06:27:44,360 --> 06:27:45,200
- Did he say that?

7072
06:27:45,200 --> 06:27:49,720
- Because he said he signed a piece of paper with Neville Chamberlain saying, okay, I'm very surprised you're verging on defending Hitler, I think.

7073
06:27:49,720 --> 06:27:51,160
- Yeah, and Hitler is wordier.

7074
06:27:51,160 --> 06:27:52,600
- This is not really what we want to be doing.

7075
06:27:52,600 --> 06:27:54,160
- Yeah, I guess I'm just a secret Nazi.

7076
06:27:54,160 --> 06:27:56,480
- No one said that from really hard.

7077
06:27:56,480 --> 06:27:57,240
- So not a secret Nazi.

7078
06:27:57,240 --> 06:27:58,080
- I'm reassured.

7079
06:27:58,080 --> 06:27:59,240
- And hardly a public Nazi.

7080
06:27:59,240 --> 06:28:01,800
I'm someone who tries to think clearly about cause and effect.

7081
06:28:01,800 --> 06:28:02,560
- Yes.

7082
06:28:02,560 --> 06:28:05,520
- And this is the point that I think the first rule of war is going unacknowledged by you.

7083
06:28:05,520 --> 06:28:06,720
So the high school you went to is called Eaton.

7084
06:28:06,720 --> 06:28:07,080
- No.

7085
06:28:07,080 --> 06:28:08,600
- Eaton lost 1100.

7086
06:28:08,600 --> 06:28:09,400
This is a high school.

7087
06:28:09,400 --> 06:28:10,360
- 1100 students from--

7088
06:28:10,360 --> 06:28:10,960
- Just from one school.

7089
06:28:10,960 --> 06:28:11,520
- It was 1200.

7090
06:28:11,520 --> 06:28:11,960
- Was it 1200?

7091
06:28:11,960 --> 06:28:15,400
- Okay, well, we effectively lost a full five-year period, if you have a gauge--

7092
06:28:15,400 --> 06:28:16,480
- Well, you lost the entire nation in all of Christian Europe.

7093
06:28:16,480 --> 06:28:17,480
- You went against Beak at Eaton.

7094
06:28:17,480 --> 06:28:18,560
- I don't think I would be welcome at Eaton.

7095
06:28:18,560 --> 06:28:19,080
- I'm sure.

7096
06:28:19,080 --> 06:28:19,560
- I doubt it.

7097
06:28:19,560 --> 06:28:20,560
- I doubt it.

7098
06:28:20,560 --> 06:28:21,400
- But here's my point.

7099
06:28:21,400 --> 06:28:29,680
- And if you do, you should go to the College Chapel because it is the most moving thing is you go past this list of names, but all the people who were killed and it is equivalent to a full five-year cohort.

7100
06:28:29,680 --> 06:28:31,200
- And you don't think that's a waste?

7101
06:28:31,200 --> 06:28:35,360
- I haven't actually answered your question on whether it was right to go to war in the First World War.

7102
06:28:35,360 --> 06:28:37,240
I think it's a very different question from the Second World War.

7103
06:28:37,240 --> 06:28:38,480
- But when you see those boys' names.

7104
06:28:38,480 --> 06:28:39,800
- It was terrible.

7105
06:28:39,800 --> 06:28:44,480
- But can anyone look at their mothers and say your son died for a good cause protecting Belgium?

7106
06:28:44,480 --> 06:28:47,880
- Which we created, it's always worth reminding the Belgians that.

7107
06:28:47,880 --> 06:28:49,960
- That seems like a bigger lesson to me.

7108
06:28:49,960 --> 06:28:52,280
- I think the lesson is the war would not have happened if we had protected strength.

7109
06:28:52,280 --> 06:28:55,320
- Who knows, but we know that the war wasn't worth fighting in the first place and that seems like the overriding lesson.

7110
06:28:55,320 --> 06:28:56,400
- I think the difficulty--

7111
06:28:56,400 --> 06:28:57,400
- I can draw many lines in the sand.

7112
06:28:57,400 --> 06:28:59,040
It matters at what point I do that, right?

7113
06:28:59,040 --> 06:29:05,600
- If you appear strong, both sides during Cold War, the whole time appeared strong, and therefore there was no hot war.

7114
06:29:05,600 --> 06:29:10,680
The lesson I would draw is the appearance of strength is the best guarantor of peace.

7115
06:29:10,680 --> 06:29:14,240
The Kaiser referred to the contemptible little army that we've sent over at the First World War.

7116
06:29:14,240 --> 06:29:15,240
- But why would you draw a line there?

7117
06:29:15,240 --> 06:29:16,240
- Because he thought it was meaningless.

7118
06:29:16,240 --> 06:29:17,240
- But why do you care?

7119
06:29:17,240 --> 06:29:21,680
- Why was the First World War necessary in traditional British political terms?

7120
06:29:21,680 --> 06:29:24,920
It was to maintain a balance of power on the continent because we felt threatened otherwise.

7121
06:29:24,920 --> 06:29:28,800
And we felt threatened by Germany in our imperial possessions and by the buildup of the German navy.

7122
06:29:28,800 --> 06:29:33,640
I'm not clear that the First World War was the right war to fight.

7123
06:29:33,640 --> 06:29:35,720
I am clear the Second World War was, but what I'm telling--

7124
06:29:35,720 --> 06:29:38,560
- Do you see the connection between the wars?

7125
06:29:38,560 --> 06:29:40,480
- This is the question really of the Treaty of Versailles.

7126
06:29:40,480 --> 06:29:45,080
The really interesting thing on the Treaty of Versailles is we make the terrible mistake of letting the French lead the negotiations.

7127
06:29:45,080 --> 06:29:48,200
Because if you go back to the Congress of Vienna, which was led by--

7128
06:29:48,200 --> 06:29:49,200
- Oh, yeah.

7129
06:29:49,200 --> 06:29:56,360
- Cossel Ray's peace treaty with France, Napoleon said, "These are the terms I would have given Britain had I defeated Britain."

7130
06:29:56,360 --> 06:29:59,520
We were so generous that Napoleon himself said these were the generous of terms,

7131
06:29:59,520 --> 06:30:01,520
He would have given me a...

7132
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:04,000
had he won. And that led to a hundred years of peace. So I don't think we make a catastrophic

7133
06:30:04,000 --> 06:30:08,560
mistake in Versa. Yes, of course we did. But there's a great difference between seeing

7134
06:30:08,560 --> 06:30:11,480
why things happen and viewing that as a justification. And we would have avoided...

7135
06:30:11,480 --> 06:30:13,760
I think the critical difference is being willing to apologize for mistakes.

7136
06:30:13,760 --> 06:30:17,280
We would have avoided the Second World War if we had been strong and if we had rearmed

7137
06:30:17,280 --> 06:30:20,900
earlier. And that's my worry now, is that we aren't learning the lessons of how we got

7138
06:30:20,900 --> 06:30:23,840
into those two world wars because we are weak and we do not have the defense expansion.

7139
06:30:23,840 --> 06:30:26,040
Can I just... I mean, not to get crazy with alternate history or whatever, but you've

7140
06:30:26,040 --> 06:30:28,760
just described two wars that killed millions and millions and millions of people, tens

7141
06:30:28,760 --> 06:30:32,720
and millions of people and totally destroyed your country and depopulated it in some places.

7142
06:30:32,720 --> 06:30:36,200
And both of them were initiated in the defense of small, basically irrelevant countries that

7143
06:30:36,200 --> 06:30:43,520
are not contiguous to Britain. You had no... I'm sorry, is any country contiguous to Britain?

7144
06:30:43,520 --> 06:30:52,320
I guess Ireland? What? Do you count as being contiguous if there's the channel or whatever

7145
06:30:52,320 --> 06:30:56,600
separating you? Jesus fucking Christ, dude.

7146
06:30:56,600 --> 06:30:59,040
No control history with you, no connection to whatsoever. And on the basis of some theory...

7147
06:30:59,040 --> 06:31:00,040
No connection, no cultural history.

7148
06:31:00,040 --> 06:31:03,120
You keep repeating 80 years later, you destroyed your entire country and got millions of people

7149
06:31:03,120 --> 06:31:04,120
killed. Maybe that's one less.

7150
06:31:04,120 --> 06:31:08,240
We really didn't destroy the entire country. That there was a very large cost. But I think

7151
06:31:08,240 --> 06:31:12,280
you need to go back to the Paleonic Wars, where the Paleonic Wars were fighting. Is it worth

7152
06:31:12,280 --> 06:31:16,000
trying to stop a dictator having a commanding position in Europe? And it has usually been

7153
06:31:16,000 --> 06:31:18,040
seen to be in British interests to stop that happening.

7154
06:31:18,040 --> 06:31:20,760
Do you think that as in business, the cost needs to be part of the calculation, the potential

7155
06:31:20,760 --> 06:31:23,360
cost of Europe, business, so you don't just look at the potential upside.

7156
06:31:23,360 --> 06:31:31,240
Okay, this is the dumbest thing about my entire life. Jesus fucking Christ.

7157
06:31:31,240 --> 06:31:37,200
Okay, I'll go on tomorrow. We'll do our last dream for a week, and then the country will

7158
06:31:37,200 --> 06:31:40,000
be destroyed.

7159
06:31:40,000 --> 06:31:57,600
I want to do this. Cheating on your wife of 20 years, or...

7160
06:31:57,600 --> 06:32:00,960
Leave that after four elections, we'll be streaming the elections in San Antonio.

7161
06:32:00,960 --> 06:32:07,200
Leaking your coworker A.I. revenge porn.

7162
06:32:07,200 --> 06:32:10,960
If an A.I. deep fake falls in the woods, and there's no one around to jerk off to it,

7163
06:32:10,960 --> 06:32:19,320
can Pokemaine still vague post about it?

7164
06:32:19,320 --> 06:32:28,960
There are kangaroos eating my carrots, Dan. Ask Big Yahoo to make them stop.

7165
06:32:28,960 --> 06:32:33,420
I was cut off the first time, but I shall form a coalition government by uniting both

7166
06:32:33,420 --> 06:32:41,840
the Aristotle and Pepotertal parties for the glory of Greater Israel.

7167
06:32:41,840 --> 06:32:46,800
My trans-emotional base is so unstable. My palm reader just told me in our weekly boba

7168
06:32:46,800 --> 06:32:52,280
t-sesh that she saw Aristotle Pepotertal's last dream from 10 years, and he flashed totally

7169
06:32:52,280 --> 06:33:01,920
fabricated nudes of mine on screen. Time to cancel this broke boy.

7170
06:33:01,920 --> 06:33:06,420
Isn't it fascinating how piker is willing to fight back against a straw man regarding

7171
06:33:06,420 --> 06:33:11,360
black issues, but completely ignores the ongoing criticism about his rhetoric against Jewish

7172
06:33:11,360 --> 06:33:12,360
people?

7173
06:33:12,360 --> 06:33:21,160
That's crazy. Thanks Nick. I don't know what the point of that was.

7174
06:33:21,160 --> 06:33:28,280
Mr. Babachini. It's me, your superior, Norman Finkelstein here. You call yourself a gamer,

7175
06:33:28,280 --> 06:33:33,360
yet you let an iron golem defeat you. Everyone knows when fighting an iron golem you build

7176
06:33:33,360 --> 06:33:40,200
a tower three blocks tall to avoid its attack.

7177
06:33:40,200 --> 06:33:46,680
All Hassan wanted was free healthcare. So he bought a three million dollar house, no

7178
06:33:46,680 --> 06:33:51,960
free healthcare. Then he bought a Porsche, still no free healthcare. Now he got bored

7179
06:33:51,960 --> 06:34:00,520
of his house and Porsche. Now he's looking for free healthcare in hotels, Ari.

7180
06:34:00,520 --> 06:34:04,320
Destiny put money on Amanda Januver Phil Scott.

7181
06:34:04,320 --> 06:34:07,760
Okay, I don't know what that is, but I'll bet Phil Scott seems like he's got it.

7182
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Come on, pull up Michigan Vadmin, please. Vadmin, I'm ready for the numbers Vadim. Yes, I'm

7183
06:34:14,000 --> 06:34:22,840
sure of it. Pull up the numbers, huh? Pull them up?

7184
06:34:22,840 --> 06:34:31,640
These numbers, what do they mean Vadim? Vadim, the numbers? Oh no.

7185
06:34:31,640 --> 06:34:37,360
Just a black coffee for me. Just a black coffee for me and some bullets. None of that sissy

7186
06:34:37,360 --> 06:34:40,000
liberal shit like cream and sugar.

7187
06:34:40,000 --> 06:34:47,080
I'm a matte Walsh listener, ash a cigarette into my coffee, piss in it. Why don't you?

7188
06:34:47,080 --> 06:34:53,040
Okay. Hello, DGG. Please listen to the following.

7189
06:34:53,040 --> 06:34:58,400
How are you, DGG? Destiny is lying to you. He tells you this war is going well, but he

7190
06:34:58,400 --> 06:34:59,980
hides the truth about how many.

7191
06:35:00,000 --> 06:35:04,560
of you are falling every day. He sends you far from home to fight for his profits while

7192
06:35:04,560 --> 06:35:09,520
your family is wait and worry. Did you just you are being used? Why die for a cause that

7193
06:35:09,520 --> 06:35:14,480
is not yours? Lay down your keyboards and go home to your loved ones before it is too late.

7194
06:35:16,320 --> 06:35:22,880
I'm back. What a mess. The wind draws. Horsies' name. The yellow river is rich. The yellow river

7195
06:35:22,880 --> 06:35:29,360
is rich. In the west, the mountains loom. In the east and north sorghum grows. In the mountains

7196
06:35:29,360 --> 06:35:36,000
lie anti-Japanese heroes. Inside green claws tense like gallant gorilla warriors. Take up arms

7197
06:35:36,000 --> 06:35:41,520
made here and abroad. Wielding broadswords and spears. Defend the homeland. Defend the

7198
06:35:41,520 --> 06:35:48,560
yellow river. Defend the north china plane. Defend all of china. True. Alright, I'll have you guys back

7199
06:35:48,560 --> 06:35:53,200
tomorrow. Let us set aside our differences from our United Kingdom brothers and rejoice in one of

7200
06:35:53,200 --> 06:35:58,880
the great pastimes. Shitting on the French. Fuck France. We we baguette frogs. Paris is a

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cigarette filled shithole. Keep your mere paw to yourself. Stay safe.